User Driven Power 50 (Dec 2011) - Results in! See Post #31

[CheezWizHed]

Ok, not sure what I'm signing myself up to exactly... but I'll give it a whirl to compile the list.

 

But a few ground rules:

1) Please list your players 1 to X (stop at 50 or 30 or 1 if you like) with no commentary.  I plan on cut-n-paste into Excel to do this, so less work is appreciated! http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif

2) Only submit one list.  If you update please update your original list.

3) Please list one player per line.

4) Submissions will close in two weeks-ish.  So around January 10th or so.  Work/family/etc may "tweak" that date.

 

Results will be pretty simple.  First place vote gets 50 points, 2nd, 49, etc...

 

If the mods have any suggestions to make this easier, I'm all ears. http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif

[StearnsFTW]

1. Wily Peralta

2. Taylor Green

3. Tyler Thornburg

4. Taylor Jungmann

5. Jorge Lopez

6. D'Vontrey Richardson

7. Caleb Gindl

8. Jed Bradley

9. Logan Schafer

10. Kyle Heckathorn

11. Cody Scarpetta

12. Michael Fiers

13. Yadiel Rivera

14. Nick Bucci

15. Scooter Gennett

16. Amaury Rivas

17. Drew Gagnon

18. Santo Manzanillo

19. Jimmy Nelson

20. Michael Reed

21. Max Walla

22. Austin Ross

23. Brooks Hall

24. Chris McFarland

25. Nick Ramirez

26. Khris Davis

27. Hunter Morris

28. Mark Rogers

29. Alan Williams

30. Eric Arnett

[StearnsFTW]

BTW, thanks for doing this. I always find this thread entertaining and informative.

 

Feel free to delete this post if you don't want it in here.

[Scooter1027]

1. Wily Peralta
2. Jed Bradley
3. Tyler Thornburg
4. Jorge Lopez
5. Taylor Jungmann
6. Taylor Green
7. Caleb Gindl
8. Nick Bucci
9. Drew Gagnon
10. Michael Fiers
11. D'Vontrey Richardson
12. Scooter Gennett
13. Santo Manzanillo
14. Yadiel Rivera
15. Logan Schafer
16. David Goforth
17. Cody Scarpetta
18. Orlando Arcia
19. Michael Reed
20. Jimmy Nelson
21. Danny Keller
22. Chris McFarland
23. Hunter Morris
24. Max Walla
25. Khris Davis
26. Tommy Toledo
27. Nick Ramirez
28. Ruben Ozuna
29. Kentrail Davis
30. Kyle Heckathorn

[CheezWizHed]

I should clarify. Feel free to discuss rankings or whatever in this thread. I simply wanted the "no comments" part about the list itself. Its not a big deal to sort through all the posts to pick out the lists.

[narwhalattack]

1) Wily Peralta

2) Jed Bradley

3) Tyler Thornburg

4) Taylor Green

5) Taylor Jungmann

6) Caleb Gindl

7) Jorge Lopez

8) Nick Bucci

9) Brook Hall

10) Scooter Gennett

11) D'Vo Richardson

12) Cody Scarpetta

13) Yadiel Rivera

14) Drew Gagnon

15) David Goforth

16) Orlando Arcia

17) Michael Reed

18) Chris McFarland

19) Jimmy Nelson

20) Danny Keller

21) Hunter Morris

22) Kentrail Davis

23) Max Walla

24) Ruben Ozuna

25) Santo Manzanillo

[DHonks]

1) Wily Peralta

2) Tyler Thornburg

3) Taylor Green

4) Caleb Gindl

5) Mark Rogers

6) Taylor Jungman

7) Jed Bradley

8) Cody Scarpetta

9) Brooks Hall

10) Kentrail Davis

11) Yadiel Rivera

12) Jorge Lopez

13) Nick Bucci

14) Mike Fiers

15) Scooter Gennett

16) Brock Kjeldgaard

17) Orlando Arcia

18) D'Vontrey Richardson

19) Max Walla

20) Ruben Ozuna

21) Amaury Rivas

22) Logan Schafer

23) Nelson

24) Miller

25) Wooten

26) Arnett

[TheCrew07]

1. Peralta

2. Thornburg

3. Green

4. Bradley

5. Gindl

6. Schafer

7. Lopez

8. Arcia

9. D'Vo

10. Jungmann

11. Manzanillo

12. Heckathorn

13. Ozuna

14. Gennett

15. Bucci

16. Scarpetta

17. Rivera

18. Fiers

19. Hall

20. Khris Davis

21. Walla

22. Rizzo

23. Rivas

24. Kentrail Davis

25. Perez

26. Morris

27. Kintzler

28. McClendon

29. Ramirez

30. Roberts

31. Meadows

32. Farris

33. Dennis

34. Garfield

35. Wheeler

36. Prince

37. Mittelstaedt

38. Haydel

39. Mondesi

40. Reed

41. McFarland

42. Gagnon

43. GoForth

44. Houle

45. Dowell

46. Jenkins

47. Strong

48. Keller

49. Toledo

50. Milton Gomez

 

 

After Mondesi I just ranked this year's draft picks in the order that I liked them, hard to form an opinion on most of those guys, especially the ones who didn't play, I just don't have enough knowledge of the players prior to the draft to form any sort of opinion I'd be willing to back up. I'd throw Ortega in there someplace and remove one of the older fringe players who project as a backup if I really thought about where he should place, I'm intrigued by him statistically without knowing much about his stuff. Carlos Sosa is another player who's statistically intriguing, though he was only used in relief through both his stints in the DSL, but he could jump to Helena for 2012.

[StearnsFTW]

Interesting take from fangraphs:

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/...pects-milwaukee-brewers/

[TuesdaysWithRillo]

Wily Peralta

Jed Bradley

Taylor Jungmann

Tyler Thornburg

Jorge Lopez

Taylor Green

Caleb Gindl

Logan Schafer

Cody Scarpetta

D'Vontrey Richardson

Mark Rogers

Kyle Heckathorn

Nick Bucci

Scooter Gennett

Drew Gagnon

Kentrail Davis

Hunter Morris

Michael Fiers

Yadiel Rivera

Khris Davis

Santo Manzanillo

Orlando Arcia

Jimmy Nelson

Nick Ramirez

Eric Farris

Brooks Hall

Mike Walker

Matt Miller

Austin Ross

Efrain Nieves

Eric Arnett

Amaury Rivas

Brandon Kintzler

Max Walla

Dan Merklinger

Tyler Roberts

Chris Dennis

Rob Wooten

Zelous Wheeler

Alan Williams

[CheezWizHed]

I suppose I should post mine... Those last 10 were pretty difficult and not the "good way", either. Hopefully that changes soon...

 

1. Wily Peralta

2. Tyler Thornburg

3. Jed Bradley

4. Taylor Green

5. Taylor Jungmann

6. Logan Schafer

7. Caleb Gindl

8. Scooter Gennett

9. Santo Manzanillo

10. Nick Bucci

11. Cody Scarpetta

12. Jorge Lopez

13. Mark Rogers

14. D'Vontrey Richardson

15. Michael Fiers

16. Khris Davis

17. Kentrail Davis

18. Kyle Heckathorn

19. Jimmie Nelson

20. Martin Maldonado

21. Orlando Arcia

22. Drew Gagnon

23. Yadiel Rivera

24. Brandon Kintzler

25. Brock Kjeldgaard

26. Hunter Morris

27. Michael Reed

28. David Goforth

29. Brooks Hall

30. Amaury Rivas

31. Nick Ramirez

32. Dan Merklinger

33. Matt Miller

34. Max Walla

35. Eric Arnett

36. Cameron Garfield

37. Chris McFarland

38. Eric Farris

39. Osmel Perez

40. Daniel Meadows

41. Ruben Ozuna

42. Danny Keller

43. Austin Ross

44. Cody Hawn

45. Adrian Rosario

46. Mike McClendon

47. Zelous Wheeler

48. Milton Gomez

49. Tyler Roberts

50. Jalen Harris

[Herm]

Love this line from the fangraphs prospect list linked above, in their summary about OF Caleb Gindl:

 

"Gindl will likely top out as a No. 4 starter"

[Hotdog]

I am leaving off Shafer, Green, and Fiers as I believe they will be in the Bigs for most of 2012. Rogers and Rivas because of there age and/or injury history aren't prospects just AAAA players.

 

1. Jed Bradley

2. Tyler Thornburg

3. Taylor Jungman

4. Willy Peralta

5. Scooter Gennet

6. Santo Manzanillo

7. Caleb Gindl

8. Alan Williams

9. Orlando Arcia

10. Nick Bucci

11. Yadiel Rivera

12. Kris Davis

13. David Goforth

14. Max Walla

15. Devontay Richardson

16. Jimmy Nelson

17. Kyle Heckathorn

18. Micheal Red

19. Nick Ramirez

20. Cody Scarpetta

21. Tyler Roberts

22. Tommy Toledo

23. Danny Keller

24. Dan Meadows

25. Dan Merkingler

26. Kentrail Davis

27. Milton Gomez

28. Chris McFarland

29. Renaldo Jenkins

30. Ruben Ozuna

31. Osmel Perez

32. Dustin Houle

33. Brooks Hall

34. Eric Arnett

35. Cody Hawn

36. Cameron Garfield

37. Joel Pierce

38. Chris Dennis

39. JP Prince

40. Mike Walker

[TooLiveBrew]

1. Wily Peralta

2. Jed Bradley

3. Taylor Jungmann

4. Tyler Thornburg

5. Taylor Green

6. Jorge Lopez

7. Logan Schafer

8. Caleb Gindl

9. David Goforth

10. Drew Gagnon

11. Santo Manzanillo

12. Kyle Heckathorn

13. Yadiel Rivera

14. D'Vontrey Richardson

15. Chris McFarland

16. Nick Bucci

17. Domnit Bolivar

18. Scooter Gennett

19. Mike Fiers

20. Cody Scarpetta

21. Orlando Arcia

22. Ruben Ozuna

23. Osmel Perez

24. Max Walla

25. Michael Reed

26. Kentrail Davis

27. Khris Davis

28. Joel Dicent

29. Gian Rizzo

30. Hunter Morris

[TooLiveBrew]

I probably don't have guys in precisely the right order, but I feel alright about that as a field of top 30.

[TheCrew07]

Love this line from the fangraphs prospect list linked above, in their summary about OF Caleb Gindl:

 

"Gindl will likely top out as a No. 4 starter"

Hulet has been writing there a long time... I'm not sure why he's putting any stock in Bradley's AFL work, that's a hitter's league, there's a reason the Brewers wanted out of High Desert. Bradley gave up 2 HRs in 8 innings, of course his ERA is going to look bad.

 

According to the comments, by Jim Breen in particular, he's spoken to Bradley and he was informed he's starting in the FSL next season. That seems awfully aggressive to me but I guess there is a legitimate chance that Jungmann starts that high as well. I hope they know what they are doing because I'm still significantly bothered by Jungmann's lack of wow factor when I watched him pitch. I just don't get excited about any player that doesn't stand out in one way or another. I'd rather not have both guys go down to Florida and put up ERAs in the 4s or worse as they work on stuff. At the very least I would have liked to see both guys pitch in WI once in person to form a better opinion of each... oh well. We'll see how it turns out.

[docduany]

1. Wily

   Peralta

2. Tyler

   Thornburg

3. Taylor

   Green

4. Jed

   Bradley

5. Taylor

   Jungman

6. Caleb

   Gindl

7. Logan

   Schafer

8. Scooter

   Gennett

9. Santo

   Mazanillo

10. Michael

    Fiers

11. D’Vo
12. Mark

    Rogers

13. Yadiel

    Rivera

14. Cody

    Scarpetta

15. Nick

    Bucci

16. Orlando

    Arcia

17. Jorge

    Lopez

18. Drew

    Gagon

19. Max

    Walla

20. Khris

    Davis

21. Kyle

    Heckathorn

22. David

    Goforth

23. Ruben

    Ozuna

24. Brock

    Kjeldgaard

25. Kentrail

    Davis

26. Martin

    Maldonado

27. Brooks

    Hall

28. Jimmy

    Nelson

29. Chris

    McFarland

30. Michael

    Reed

31. Brandon

    Kintzler

32. Alan

    Williams

33. Mike

    McClendon

34. Josh

    Prince

35. Osmel

    Perez

36. Milton

    Gomez

37. Eric

    Farris

38. Daniel

    Meadows

39. Cameron

    Garfield

40. Danny

    Kellor

41. Tommy Toledo
42. Hunter

    Morris

43. Rob

    Wooten

44. Gian

    Rizzo

45. Tyler

    Roberts

46. Joel

    Pierce

47. Malcom

    Dowell

48. Mike Schaub
49. Lee

    Haydel

50. Eric

    Arnett

 

 

[nate82]

I'm not sure why he's putting any stock in Bradley's AFL work, that's a hitter's league, there's a reason the Brewers wanted out of High Desert. Bradley gave up 2 HRs in 8 innings, of course his ERA is going to look bad.

Only Hultzen that I could see who is a top prospect did really well or that I can remember. Gerrit Cole the #1 pick didn't do as well either in the AFL they had almost identical stats. I am not sure how anyone could judge any player based on their stats in the AFL since it is a rather short season. Plus it was only 8.1 innings for Bradley I do not see how you can come up with any kind of a conclusion about a player by looking at only 8.1 innings of work. If this were more based on how he was throwing (velocity, movement, mechanics, etc.) then I could get behind basing something off of something so small for Bradley.

It is interesting to see everyone putting D'Vo so high. I love D'Vo but he really hasn't shown all that much in the minors. I love his athleticism and he is really the only 5-tool player in the Brewers farm system right now but I am not sure he should be ranked that high but that maybe because of the lack of talent the Brewers have in the minors more so than anything else.

[TooLiveBrew]

For me, you summed up why d'vo was in the top20 with your last sentence. Guys like reed or even ke. Davis could roar past him with impressive seasons, but for right now imo d,vo has the best combo of athleticism/upside and development/production for of prospects not named schafer or gindl.

[TheCrew07]

It is interesting to see everyone putting D'Vo so high. I love D'Vo but he really hasn't shown all that much in the minors. I love his athleticism and he is really the only 5-tool player in the Brewers farm system right now but I am not sure he should be ranked that high but that maybe because of the lack of talent the Brewers have in the minors more so than anything else.

Are you going to post a list?

[BrewersAA]

Mine might seem a little crazy to some, but its how I feel. One player I am sure to have higher than anyone else is there because I have seen him a few times now and every single game he has been the most impressive player on the field both offensively and defensively.

 

1. Tyler Thornburg

2. Willy Peralta

3. Logan Schafer

4. Taylor Jungmann

5. Taylor Green

6. Jed Bradley

7. Scooter Gennett

8. Caleb Gindl

9. Mark Rogers

10. Cody Scarpetta

11. Jorge Lopez

12. Michael Fiers

13. Amaury Rivas

14. Yadiel Rivera

15. Kyle Heckathorn

16. Kentrail Davis

17. Nicholas Bucci

18. Jimmy Nelson

19. Andre Lamontange

20. De'vontre Richardson

21. Santo Manzillo

22. Orlando Arcia

23. Khris Davis

24. Maxwel Walla

25. Mike McClendon

26. Brooks Hall

27. Joel Pierce

28. David Goforth

29. Hunter Morris

30. Drew Gagon

31.Tyler Roberts

32. Eric Arnett

33. Eric Farris

34. Tommy Toledo

35. Evan Anundsen

36. Brock Kjelgaard

37. Michael Reed

38. Rob Wooten

39. Hiram Burgos

40. Cameron Garfield

41. Nick Ramirez

42. Cody Hawn

43. Shawn Zarraga

44. Dan Merklinger

45. Sean Halton

46. Lee Haydel

47. Donovan Hand

48. Austin Ross

49. Matt Miller

50. Seth Lintz

 

[BrewersAA]

Feel like I forgot somebody... but not sure... Oh well I am comfortable with my list.

[nate82]

1. Peralta

2. Thornburg

3. Gennett

4. Bradley

5. Gindl

6. Schafer

7. Green

8. Lopez

9. D'Vo

10. Jungmann

11. Manzanillo

12. Arcia

13. Scarpetta

14. Ozuna

15. Heckathorn

16. Fiers

17. Bucci

18. Hall

19. K. Davis

20. Rivera

21. Perez

22. Rivas

23. McClendon

24. Ke. Davis

25. Ramirez

I really like Nick Ramirez as a power hitter at 1B and he looks to be the only guy in the Brewers minors that looks to have at least plus power in his bat. Also Gennett is probably the most polished hitter in the Brewers farm that is why I have him ranked so high as he has a higher ceiling than most of the players in the Brewers farm system besides D'Vo. With Gennett there is obviously the size and his defensive issues. Gennett isn't a top rated prospect and I wouldn't put him in the top 100 prospects in the minors but he is a solid prospect who if he can field better at 2B will probably be an annual all star at 2B as his bat is a plus at second. The one thing I am concerned about with D'Vo is that he maybe another Carlos Gomez like player. I believe D'Vo will turn into an elite defensive CF but he maybe as bad as Gomez at the plate and with his base running. There are really only a few prospects the Brewers have who would rate above a C rated prospect. Gennett, Peralta, Manzanillo, and Green are the ones that would rate above a C grade. All of the recent draft picks and DSL players are not included in this rating as they really haven't done much if anything in the minors yet.

The Brewers farm system maybe down in terms of top talent but there is a lot of roster filler players. Schafer and Gindl are players who will have an impact on the team just that they won't be All Star type players. I can see Schafer and Gindl playing key roles as platoon players. The one thing the Brewers have a decent depth of are #4 and #5 pitchers. The most polished #5 pitcher is Fiers as I can see him being either a long reliever or a #5 pitcher. I believe Fiers is really a bottom of the rotation starter and he will be able rather successful I wouldn't be surprised if he put up an ERA around 3.6-4.00 in his rookie year as a starter. I believe Josh Collmenter of the Diamondbacks is very comparable to Fiers. Collmenter's 2011 stats: 3.38 ERA, 3.80 FIP, 1.07 WHIP. The Brewers really do have some strong #4 and 5 starters in the minors which is a very good thing as having these pitchers will have a better impact on the teams budget (no more Suppan or Looper like signings hopefully).

[DHonks]

that's interesting Nate, because I consider Gamel (not a prospect technically anymore), Green, and Gindl to be more polished than Gennett.

 

I think I might be overvaluing Scarpetta and Rogers a bit, but they've both been fun (and frustrating) to follow the past few seasons

[CheezWizHed]

Looks like things have slowed down here. I'll give it a couple more days this week as people get back to "normal" schedules after the holidays. If no more come in, I'll post the results this week.