Trade Deadline Sellers?

[cvollbrecht]

Okay here is a hypothetical questions:

 

If we are out of it at the trade deadline and become sellers (more likely if Braun is suspended), which players would you like to see traded/who would bring back the most value?

 

I'm of the mind that only Braun and Yo are untouchable so:

 

Hart

Weeks

Morgan

Marcum

Narveson

KRod

 

Those are guys I think could bring us back the most in return and be of value to other teams as well, while still having someone who could replace then in the system. The toughest one for me to lose would be Weeks, but I think that Green could hold the fort down until Gennett was ready.

 

I think Greinke, Lucroy, and Axford are extension candidates so I doubt they would be moved.

 

Thoughts??

[PrinceEatMeat]

My thought is why are we talking about selling at the trade deadline when the season hasn't started yet?

[cvollbrecht]

My thought is why are we talking about selling at the trade deadline when the season hasn't started yet?

 

Don't get me wrong, I don't want this to be the case, but with the slow/no news coming anymore this offseason due to the budget being maxed out I thought we could use a little pot stirring.

 

We are a Gamel flop, Ramirez fall off, or a pitching injury from being very mediocre without Braun for 50 games. There are a lot of question marks about this team currently and I hope that everything will fall in our favor, but this team is not structured to contend at a high level beyond this year if Greinke/Marcum aren't extended.

[Raw Biz]

My thought is why are we talking about selling at the trade deadline when the season hasn't started yet?

 

Don't get me wrong, I don't want this to be the case, but with the slow/no news coming anymore this offseason due to the budget being maxed out I thought we could use a little pot stirring.

Umm didn't we just win a bid for "the best Japanese hitter since Ichiro" like three days ago? I don't think that's slow or no news. It's not even January, there's still a few moves that will most likely be made. I get that you're just trying to start a discussion but I don't think we need to start talking about being sellers at the deadline. To me that implies already giving up and selling off multiple pieces.

On the other hand, if you want to discuss which players you think could be traded for the best value, then do that by all means. The Corey Hart thread is kind of doing that already with him. I just hate talking about being sellers at the deadline when there's still two months until spring training. That being said, I would trade just about anyone if they made us better, either now or for the future.

 

[TooLiveBrew]

There were discussions like this last offseason too, I think it's just people thinking 'what if?' I don't think it's likely the Brewers will be out of the race enough to be sellers, especially when they have to be far enough out by Melvin's measure. I get the feeling BF.net's feeling of 'out of the race' wouldn't be as liberal as DM's.

[cvollbrecht]

My thought is why are we talking about selling at the trade deadline when the season hasn't started yet?

 

Don't get me wrong, I don't want this to be the case, but with the slow/no news coming anymore this offseason due to the budget being maxed out I thought we could use a little pot stirring.

Umm didn't we just win a bid for "the best Japanese hitter since Ichiro" like three days ago? I don't think that's slow or no news. It's not even January, there's still a few moves that will most likely be made. I get that you're just trying to start a discussion but I don't think we need to start talking about being sellers at the deadline. To me that implies already giving up and selling off multiple pieces.

On the other hand, if you want to discuss which players you think could be traded for the best value, then do that by all means. The Corey Hart thread is kind of doing that already with him. I just hate talking about being sellers at the deadline when there's still two months until spring training. That being said, I would trade just about anyone if they made us better, either now or for the future.

 

 

This is the intent of the conversation. Who, if moved can bring the most back/reload us for the future. I think Hart is a big one, and I think Weeks would be a very interesting candidate for that discussion.

[paul253]

I like your list but I'd take Rickie Weeks off of it and add Grienke and Axford. I think Weeks needs to stay and I don't think Greinke will resign if we are selling off players.

 

Just imagine how much we could get in return for the other guys. Let's say for some odd reason the Brewers have some injuries or just don't play all that well. Trading Marcum and Greinke alone should be able to get you some decent players in return. I think those would be your best bets to get some decent prospects back. Hart and KRod may get you some decent guys back. I think for Morgan and Narveson you'd have to settle for a low level, mid ceiling prospect. But the key would be getting pitching and a shortstop back in return. Assuming you trade all 6 of them, I'd expect AT LEAST three mid to high ceiling, high level pitching prospects, one shortstop prospect and at least three other prospect position players in return.

[logan82]

Weeks would be the one I would trade. He would be easy to replace. We have that Gennett guy to play 2B and Green could play 2B.

[BrewersSuperCollector]

I think we need to be way out of it to dump players at the deadline. I believe Melvin thinks if were within 12 games were in it.

[Eye Black]

It seems like far fewer teams actually view themselves as "sellers" each year than are labeled as sellers by the media or fans leading up to the trading deadline. A more likely scenario will hopefully involve the Brewers using their embarrassment of riches in OF depth to add a final piece to the roster or pick-up some prospects.

[Mike]

logan3825[/b]]Weeks would be the one I would trade. He would be easy to replace. We have that Gennett guy to play 2B and Green could play 2B.

That Gennett guy (Scooter) will never provide the power, HR or RBI that Rickie provides plus he is still 2-3 years away. The best you can hope for with Gennett is a higher BA.

 

 

[RockCoCougars]

Did you guys miss the 90's and the turn of the century? I want to bask in the glow of the division title before I lament rebuilding yet again http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif

 

If the team does tank, I can see the point about looking into moving impending free agents at the deadline (hopefully Greinke can be extended, but you also have Wolf, Marcum, KRod). At the same time, I'm not sure whether I would move established position players (who are locked in) for prospects even then. Having been burned by multiple waves of Brewer prospect flame outs over the years, I'm not as sold on the minor league system (as it stands) as some seem to be

[JohnBriggs12]

It's worth discussing because of the veteran arms the Brewers have on the last years of their deals. Wolf, Marcum, Greinke, K-Rod, all would bring interest. Most of the position player core are signed but I could see a scenario where say Scooter Gennett progresses right through AA and is tearing up AAA, and they cash in on Weeks to open up room for him or for Taylor Green..

 

It's called rebuilding on the fly. Unloading all that money (the 5 of Wolf, Grienke, Marcum, Weeks, and K-Rod totals roughly $55 million) would position them to be very active next year too and they'd still have core of Braun, Gallardo, Axford, Ramirez, Lucroy, to build around. They need a long term solution at SS. They also could use a controllable starter or two. I'm not a huge fan over over paying to keep Greinke (too many examples of pitchers declining after big long term deals) or Marcum (I'd rather find a cheaper alternative).

[PrinceEatMeat]

As BrewersSuperCollector just said before, I see almost no way that we'll be sellers at the deadline. We'll have to be really far out of the race, which seems almost impossible to me.

[nate82]

As BrewersSuperCollector just said before, I see almost no way that we'll be sellers at the deadline. We'll have to be really far out of the race, which seems almost impossible to me.

Not impossible. Lets say Hart, Weeks, or one of the pitchers (Marcum, Greinke, or Gallardo) get injured. It is likely Hart or Weeks may get injured at some point in the season. If lets say Weeks goes down with an injury and is out until the All Star break then you have an IF of possibly Green/Izturis, Gonzalez, Ramirez, and Gamel. You also have to figure in a relief pitcher getting injured due to over use or just a general injury. The Brewers could also slide like the Reds did last year and be dead in the water by the All Star break. So it is very possible for the Brewers to be out of it by the deadline. Will that make the Brewers sellers that is hard to tell right now and it is almost nearly impossible to know what teams will be in on these players.

To me the Brewers could cash in on a lot of the pieces they will have to trade. Rodriguez, Hart, Marcum, Greinke, Narveson, and Wolf all could be possible trade candidates you could even put Weeks, Morgan, or Gomez as possibilities also. I don't think the Brewers will trade many of their core players but Rodrgiuez, Marcum, and Greinke would definitely be shopped around if the Brewers were out of the race. It is kind of hard to determine who would be available and who would be seeking these players. Obviously with Weeks, Hart, and Narveson there would be multiple teams interested in them as they are under contract or have a few more years of team control.

The Braves are the obvious link for Hart and if they are in the playoff picture I wouldn't be surprised to see Hart's name attached to them. If the Nationals are in the race I could see them wanting either Marcum or Greinke but they would probably want Greinke more than Marcum. KRod could go to almost any team in the playoff race. I think the Brewers could get a decent return on Greinke but Weeks and Hart would bring back better prospects.

[logan82]

logan3825[/b]]Weeks would be the one I would trade. He would be easy to replace. We have that Gennett guy to play 2B and Green could play 2B.

That Gennett guy (Scooter) will never provide the power, HR or RBI that Rickie provides plus he is still 2-3 years away. The best you can hope for with Gennett is a higher BA.

 

Not thick enough I guess.

[Roderick]

I'd trade A Ram if possible. Not expecting anything in return unless he is really hitting and someone is desperate. But clear his salary and hopefully Green is ready.

[pingman]

No way this team is a seller.....need to keep fannies in the seats to pay the bills

 

More importantly, even without Braun for 50 games this team should be able to compete in a weak NL Central

[igor67]

I doubt it would be anything major. It is much more likely that if Braun's absence leads to a mediocre start they use that as an argument coupled with the Cards comeback last year to hang-on and play it out. Maybe they re-tool a bit and trade a veteran for a younger guy. I could see Wolf being dealt to open a rotation spot for Peralta as a possibility that gives you some of the benefits of selling, without waiving the flag.

[Crew2323]

By my rough calculations, the Brewers were 30-25 at the end of last May. That was with Greinke being out for the first month of the season. They still went on to win 96 games. Even if Braun is suspended for 50 games and even if the Brewers are at .500 when he returns (which I think is entirely possible with the quality of the pitching staff), the Brewers will be in good position. I don't forsee any NL Central team running away with the division after the first 50 games. And look at the Cards last year: 10 out with about a month to go.

 

The Brewers are still very good. And if they're .500 when/if Braun returns, they'll be just fine.

[Roderick]

Nobody is saying the Brewers are going to be out of it by the deadline, it is just a fun "what if" thread.

[GAME05]

statistically we should very much be in the race by the trade deadline, but you never really know what's going to happen to be 100% sure we're not going to be sellers.

 

if we end up getting Greinke extended before the deadline, i'm not so sure Axford would be a trade candidate. being out of the race in 2012 would be more an aberration than a sign we're sliding as a whole, and we'll need a good closer for the future years. we've learned our lesson on signing expensive closers and we don't really have anyone else in the system who looks like a good closer candidate right now.

 

Narveson--i don't know what the point of trading him would be, even if we're struggling. cheap and not a ton of value, so we'd basically be trading Narveson for another version of Narveson.

[JohnBriggs12]

Did you guys miss the 90's and the turn of the century? I want to bask in the glow of the division title before I lament rebuilding yet again http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif

 

If the team does tank, I can see the point about looking into moving impending free agents at the deadline (hopefully Greinke can be extended, but you also have Wolf, Marcum, KRod). At the same time, I'm not sure whether I would move established position players (who are locked in) for prospects even then. Having been burned by multiple waves of Brewer prospect flame outs over the years, I'm not as sold on the minor league system (as it stands) as some seem to be

Did you miss the 80's? While basking in the glow of 1982, that team got old fast and within 2 years lost 94 games. Did you miss 1993? Despite losing Molitor and Bosio to FA, the team's marketing campaign dwelled on Garner's hatred of the number 2 or anything second. No problem the 93 team went out and lost 93 and finished nowhere near 2nd.

 

Point is nothing stays stagnant. The drop from contender to also ran is not all that steep. Fielder's loss is impossible to calculate. None of the current Brewer core has ever been in a lineup that didn't have Prince in it. We have no idea what effect that will have. Beyond the basketball incident with Greinke and a brief stint on the DL for Narveson for a split nail, the rotation made every start. How often does that happen?