Derrek Lee

[tigerbrew]

I think Derrek Lee is a suitable one year solution at 1B for the Brewers, maybe he could be interested to join his longtime teammate Aramis Ramirez in Miller Park. I hope DM explores this possibility with Derrek Lee and his agent right away.

[BREWCREW5]

I really do not want anymore old Cubs in Milwaukee. I think that Gamel will have a better 2012 than Lee anyways.

[Warning Track Power]

I would be interested solely as a PH or as insurance in the event Gamel is hitting .200 in the middle of May. I fear Roenicke would be inclined to start him over Gamel given his veteran grit.

[JohnBriggs12]

Derrek Lee's fall off as a player should scare the heck out of those applauding the signing Ramirez. As a 33 year old, Lee had one of his best seasons, not unlike Ramirez. He actually bounced back from a slightly off year at 32.

 

But since then, he's been a shadow of that player. At 34, Lee hit .260/.347/.428, with 19 HR and 80 RBI. The prior year he hit .306/.393/.579 with 35 HR and 111 RBI.

 

I don't expect Ramirez fall off to be quite that dramatic but I'm certainly not counting on him repeating his 2011 numbers.

[dadofandrew]

Lee can find more PA's elsewhere.

[RockCoCougars]

One of my favorite Onion articles of the year.

 

http://www.onionsportsnet...ter-2ndhalf-col%2C21073/

 

Looking at things six months later, their analysis was pretty much spot on. Derrek Lee was the type of player that Sal Bando would have brought in back in '99. I'll pass.

[The Truth]

The last time Lee had an OPS over .800 was in 2009. He's now going to be 36 years old. I'd pass on Derrek Lee

[reillymcshane]

1. The team is unlikely to spend another $6 million or whatever it takes to get Lee.

2. You only block a young player who can probably come close to Lee's performance - for a 1/2 of the price.

3. Our team is really right handed at this time, and having Gamel and Green getting some ABs will help balance things. Add Lee only compounds this problem.

4. We have an old SS and 3B - don't add an even older 1B. Injuries and production dropoff are dangers for all of these guys.

5. Lee offers little upside, and more a growing downside. This isn't the .320, 35 HR hitting Derrick Lee. It's the .260 or .270, 18 HR Lee. There's nothing wrong with his production - but it's unlikely to suddenly get better at his age. Gamel offers upside as a younger player. Yes, he's a risk. He could hit .250 with 10 HR. But he could also hit .300 with 20 HR. We're unlikely to get that from Lee.

 

In the end, go with your inexpensive guy with the bigger upside. Yes, there's a risk, but there's also great reward. And even if he doesn't hit .300 or get 25 HR, if Gamel can hit average, then he provides a lot of value since he only costs league minimum.

[YoungGeezy]

FREE MAT GAMEL! Thats all I have to say.

 

Its amazing, 3 years ago we are dying to get him to the majors, he gets road blocked by the Rise of Casey McGehee and now we need to find every excuse possible to make sure he is not a Brewer. The only thing that has change about Gamel is age and has switched positions. He still the same professional hitter he has always been. Guy can hit.

[JohnBriggs12]

FREE MAT GAMEL! Thats all I have to say.

 

Its amazing, 3 years ago we are dying to get him to the majors, he gets road blocked by the Rise of Casey McGehee and now we need to find every excuse possible to make sure he is not a Brewer. The only thing that has change about Gamel is age and has switched positions. He still the same professional hitter he has always been. Guy can hit.

The guys on MLB Network sure didn't sound sold on Gamel based on the fact that he didn't hit a lick in his major league trials. Those were certainly small samples but until he proves he can hit major league pitching, there will be doubters. AAA numbers for guys his age mean little. The good news is the Brewers can easily swap out Gamel for Green if need be.

[reillymcshane]

FREE MAT GAMEL! Thats all I have to say.

 

Its amazing, 3 years ago we are dying to get him to the majors, he gets road blocked by the Rise of Casey McGehee and now we need to find every excuse possible to make sure he is not a Brewer. The only thing that has change about Gamel is age and has switched positions. He still the same professional hitter he has always been. Guy can hit.

The guys on MLB Network sure didn't sound sold on Gamel based on the fact that he didn't hit a lick in his major league trials. Those were certainly small samples but until he proves he can hit major league pitching, there will be doubters. AAA numbers for guys his age mean little. The good news is the Brewers can easily swap out Gamel for Green if need be.

john, you got it right here. if Gamel isn't working after 6-8 weeks, you can move Green to 1B or Aram (with Green going to 3B). I just hope they give Gamel enough time to settle in.

 

Also, they added Travis Ishikawa, and he's not a bad minor league pickup. He could potentially be brought in if he's doing well at AAA.

[jmeks23]

The thing you're forgetting is Gamel was posting those numbers at 23, 24, 25, and now 26. This isn't a fluke. Does that mean he'll be hammering major league pitching? I don't know. But to say his stats in the minors aren't impressive because of his age is a little shortsighted.

[monty57]

The thing you're forgetting is Gamel was posting those numbers at 23, 24, 25, and now 26. This isn't a fluke. Does that mean he'll be hammering major league pitching? I don't know. But to say his stats in the minors aren't impressive because of his age is a little shortsighted.

 

Completely agree. Unfortunately, I could see Roenicke and the new-look Brewers to give their former top prospect (the guy they previously wouldn't trade for CC Sabathia) about 6 weeks to "prove himself," before dumping him for the latest expensive vet.

[JohnBriggs12]

The thing you're forgetting is Gamel was posting those numbers at 23, 24, 25, and now 26. This isn't a fluke. Does that mean he'll be hammering major league pitching? I don't know. But to say his stats in the minors aren't impressive because of his age is a little shortsighted.

Green's numbers last year were actually better though. The only difference is this will be Gamel's one and only real shot to start as a Brewer. That's a fair amount of pressure on him. The Brewers have protected themselves with the Ishikawa signing, and Green actually could play first too. I don't think they'd have any trouble finding a guy like Carlos Lee if need be too. But Gamel is going to get first shot.

[brwrsfan]

Derek Lee...it's the Brewers calling. Feel like being our starting 1b the rest of the year?

[Bombers]

Derek Lee...it's the Brewers calling. Feel like being our starting 1b the rest of the year?

 

I'll Pass on Derek Lee. I might ask him to sign on our AAA team to see what he has. But to have him come in and hit a double play every day doesn't sound like a good time to me. I would prefer to just let Ishikawa, Kottaras and Conrad play the spot. (I do hope Kottaras gets some starts there. Maybe he has never played it though?)

 

In a month if that isn't working, I would prefer Hart to be moved there and then let Aoki, Morgan and Gomez play CF/RF. or Even call up Taylor Green and see if he can play 1B.

[JohnBriggs12]

Per Adam McCalvy: "Melvin instructed his staff to compile a list of players available in free agency or potentially available in trades."

 

Maybe he should just check this website. Seriously, the GM doesn't keep lists of players available or potentially available at a position? He waits for a guy to go down, and then has his staff do it for him? What's he getting paid to do?

 

My biggest criticism of Melvin is that he's reactive and not proactive. This proves it.

[RockCoCougars]

Unless Lee will sign for about a million dollars and is willing to go to Nashville for about a month, I pass. I highly doubt that he'd do that.

[WV Brew]

Youkilis? Red Sox and Yankees both need a closer. Valentine seems very down on Youk. Red Sox have a golden boy coming up to replace him. K-Rod plus a prospect? Would that be enough?

[monty57]

Youkilis? Red Sox and Yankees both need a closer. Valentine seems very down on Youk. Red Sox have a golden boy coming up to replace him. K-Rod plus a prospect? Would that be enough?

 

I don't know what to expect in return, but getting the Yankees and Red Sox to bid against each other for K-Rod sounds like a good plan. Personally, I'd shoot for young (pre-arby) talent, but I'm the odd guy who cares as much or more about the future as I do this season.

[RockCoCougars]

K-Rod probably has negative value at this point... meaning the Brewers would either need to eat salary and/or take garbage back in return. I can't see any team with a scouting staff thinking that he's their answer at closer.

[brwrsfan]

Derek Lee...it's the Brewers calling. Feel like being our starting 1b the rest of the year?

 

I'll Pass on Derek Lee. I might ask him to sign on our AAA team to see what he has. But to have him come in and hit a double play every day doesn't sound like a good time to me. I would prefer to just let Ishikawa, Kottaras and Conrad play the spot. (I do hope Kottaras gets some starts there. Maybe he has never played it though?)

 

In a month if that isn't working, I would prefer Hart to be moved there and then let Aoki, Morgan and Gomez play CF/RF. or Even call up Taylor Green and see if he can play 1B.

 

Ishikawa is hitting into plenty of double plays himself and Lee was at one point a much better player and is probably a gold golve caliber 1b. Though you might be right...he might be done. Who knows.

 

I really dislike Ishikawa and feel he never should have been on the roster so I want that fixed. Him playing every day is a joke. I really wanted them to bring up a third catcher and let Kottaras get starts at 1b, with Hart playing when tough lefties are on the mound or when Kottaras needs to catch for Wolf.

[brewmann04]

that my hope the soxs seem to have the better farm system though.

[ninja33]

The Yankees probably have better options than KRod (the way he's pitched so far) already on their team in Robertson and Soriano. I could maybe see the Red Sox panicking and trying to get a guy like KRod, but Aceves has been good in his past 4 or 5 outings. And to be honest, KRod isn't going to bring back anything useful like Youk (not even close) or a halfway decent prospect. that's a pipe dream.

 

I said this in the other thread, I would not be surprised if Derrek Lee put up a .260/.330/.440 line. A .770 OPS is probably average to below average for a 1B (it would have been in the top 20 for qualified 1B last year), and honestly not that much different from what was expected out of Gamel. And he's still an above average defender. I'm not saying he's the answer or a savior or anything, he's just an average 2 WAR first baseman. If they're not going to move Hart or Ramirez to first, Derrek Lee should have been on the phone yesterday.

[monty57]

The Yankees probably have better options than KRod (the way he's pitched so far)

 

So far, Rodriguez has pitched in 618 games (661 innings) with 816 K to 291 BB, amassing 292 saves, a 1.17 WHIP and 2.59 ERA.

 

But yeah, in 12 innings this season he's got a 6.52 ERA so no one would look twice at the bum.