Aramis Ramirez

[Warning Track Power]

Like I've been saying, the best and most realistic offseason scenario involves the Brewers signing Ramirez and Furcal.

 

Going into 2012 with a lineup of the following looks pretty strong to me:

 

1. Furcal

2. Hart

3. Braun

4. Ramirez

5. Weeks

6. Gamel

7. Lucroy

8. Morgan/Gomez

[PrinceEatMeat]

Like I've been saying, the best and most realistic offseason scenario involves the Brewers signing Ramirez and Furcal.

 

Going into 2012 with a lineup of the following looks pretty strong to me:

 

1. Furcal

2. Hart

3. Braun

4. Ramirez

5. Weeks

6. Gamel

7. Lucroy

8. Morgan/Gomez

To this lineup I say, yes please!

[fondybrewfan]

That lineup would certianly be more balanced than 2011; although obviously missing Fielder and his OBP and HR would hurt. However we could defintiely compete for a World Series with that lineup assuming the starting pitching stays intact and we have some resemblance of a decent bullpen.

[bkroppy2]

If we get Ramirez then we would have more options at first base. Casey could be given a chance at first if he starts hitting again. Also Ramirez could move to first later in the contract when he gets older. Hopefully Gamel starts mashing like he did in AAA so he can stick at first.

[WisconsinSportsRule]

I'd like to know how we're favorites yet we haven't even submitted an offer.

 

I don't want Ramirez. I never liked him as a Cub and I certainly wouldn't like him for $10 million a year.

[jhart05]

Furcal to leadoff?

 

Don't the Brewers have enough guys with an OBP of around .300?

[endaround]

Who plays SS for the 80 games Furcal misses?

 

Ramirez is a 1B at this point given his poor defense, age and injury issues. I don't really see how he fits with the Brewers outside of wanting to stay around Chicago.

[Oldcity]

If we get Ramirez then we would have more options at first base. Casey could be given a chance at first if he starts hitting again. Also Ramirez could move to first later in the contract when he gets older. Hopefully Gamel starts mashing like he did in AAA so he can stick at first.

McGehee needs to be non-tendered. There isn't a team in the league who would pay him the 3 mil or whatever it is he'll make in arby.

[Hate those Rodents]

I think Casey can and should be dealt for a setup guy.

[nate82]

McGehee needs to be non-tendered. There isn't a team in the league who would pay him the 3 mil or whatever it is he'll make in arby.

The Phillies would pay McGehee 3m over Polanco and there are a couple of other teams that would pay McGehee 3m to play 3B for them.

[BREWCREW5]

Who plays SS for the 80 games Furcal misses?

Probably Hart.

[Oldcity]

Huh? Polanco was much better than McGehee last year.

[paul253]

http://www.jsonline.com/s...-7v3bdpu-135140528.html#

 

Looks like it's Ramirez or Rollins, but not both. Personally I can make argument for either but I'd probably prefer Rollins. If we sign Ramirez we still need a SS but have no money to get a good one. That probably means Betancourt. If my choices are Ramirez and Bentacourt or Green and Rollins, I'll take Green and Rollins. We have nobody to play shortstop this year and nobody in the minors even close. If you sign Rollins you are also going to have a much more balanced lineup, in terms of lefty-righty, then if you sign Ramirez. If you sign Ramirez, you have as few as two everyday lefties (by that I mean lefties who are also everyday players, not bench guys inserted into the lineup to face a righty) in the lineup against righties (Morgan and Gamel) If you sign Rollins, you have 4 (Morgan, Gamel, Rollins, and Green). I think the defense would also be better.

[PrinceEatMeat]

I'm pretty sure the Brewers prefer Rollins before Ramirez. That seems to be the case. I would think everyone here would prefer Rollins first as well. SS is just a position that is harder to fill. However, I doubt we'll get him. It'll probably be Ramirez as a fallback option. The Phillies know how important it is for them to keep Rollins, so I think they'll do it. I'd love to have him though. I really want us to have a good SS for once. We could get by at 3b with McGehee/Green if we have to. I just really don't wanna see Betancourt manning SS again. I hope that we can get Gonzalez or something if we end up with Ramirez, just so we at least don't have to deal with defensive problems at SS.

[DHonks]

Paul, just remember that given that Taylor Green has had 2/3rds of a good season in 3 years. It's more likely that it'd be Rollins and McGehee with Green in AAA to open the year. I am intrigued that Ramirez's agent appears interested in having conversations with the Brewers for both Ramirez AND Furcal. If we could upgrade both spots, it would cost roughly $20 million. We could probably trade Hart (teams like the Red Sox are supposedly interested) to clear salary space, with Gindl playing RF. But it's hard to upgrade both 3b and SS without weakening another spot (although the case could be made that Gindl is a wash with Hart)

[pretendastronaut]

Phillies supposedly out on Ramirez and focusing on Rollins.

[Nader Raider Tim]

Ramirez and Alex Gonzalez would be a nice duo to add to the Brewers. Not earthshattering but still should provide enough financial wiggle room to make a few other moves.

[JohnBriggs12]

Just another warning on Ramirez. In 2010 he hit .241/.294/.452. Last year he hit is 2nd home run on May 29th.

 

He got hot after the Cubs had fallen out of the race and he needed to earn a contract.

 

He turns 34 in June. He's had recurring shoulder issues. He's not a bad guy but he's always seemed to be a selfish player. He puts up numbers but he's as impatient at the plate as Yuni. His defense is below average.

 

If I thought he was the difference between making or not making playoffs I'd say go for it. But he's not. With him or without him this is not a playoff team. It's an 80-85 win team. Signing him will be one that they will regret.

[fondybrewfan]

Aram the last 4 years:

 

2008 - 289/380/518

2009 - 317/389/516

2010 - 241/294/452

2011 - 306/361/510

 

The guy obviously had a bad year in 2010 but otherwise he has been a model of consistency for the last 7 or 8 years. Obviously the guy is getting older but I don't see how those numbers wouldn't be of great benefit to the Crew. Comparing his patience to Yuni is a little ridiculous in my mind; he doesn't walk like Prince walks but he is not at Yuni's level either.

 

Obviously it all depends on the contract he gets but I think he would be a huge addition to the club if it were to happen. Not saying that it couldn't end badly; but Aram has been pretty darn consistent over the years. Since 2004 he has had an OPS less than .800 only once (2010) and an OPS over 850 in every other year including 2011.

[Patrick425]

JohnBriggs12[/b]]Just another warning on Ramirez. In 2010 he hit .241/.294/.452. Last year he hit is 2nd home run on May 29th.

 

He got hot after the Cubs had fallen out of the race and he needed to earn a contract.

 

He turns 34 in June. He's had recurring shoulder issues. He's not a bad guy but he's always seemed to be a selfish player. He puts up numbers but he's as impatient at the plate as Yuni. His defense is below average.

 

If I thought he was the difference between making or not making playoffs I'd say go for it. But he's not. With him or without him this is not a playoff team. It's an 80-85 win team. Signing him will be one that they will regret.

I understand what you are saying and depending on the contract terms you are right, this could be a pretty big risk for the Brewers. Then again, most FA signings are a risk for teams like the Brewers.

 

I will say that I think the Brewers need to find someone to hit clean up. Ramirez fits that bill more than anyone currently on the Brewer's roster imho. Also, I'm not sure if not hitting his 1st HR until May 29th is a good or bad thing. I don't buy that a player can just turn things on and off like that. I see it more as a sign that he figured something out and was able to hit 26 HRs in a span of 4 months. Not bad.

 

He really scares me defensively and I think I would rather they sign Rollins for that purpose alone (although that still leaves them without a true cleanup hitter).

 

I guess until it actually happens and I see the contract length and numbers I'm uncertain on how I would feel about signing Ramirez. Fielder left a big hole in the lineup. There is no one that is going to fill that hole, but Ramirez might be the best option to partially fill it. If he was a better defensive player, I would be a lot more excited about him.

 

[yoshii8]

I'd like to see Rollins signed, and a trade for Chase Headley. I'm conflicted on Aramis Ramirez, he sometimes looks like a great talent but other times is a very frustrating player to watch. He is a big time gamble.

[CheezWizHed]

Paul, just remember that given that Taylor Green has had 2/3rds of a good season in 3 years. It's more likely that it'd be Rollins and McGehee with Green in AAA to open the year. .... But it's hard to upgrade both 3b and SS without weakening another spot (although the case could be made that Gindl is a wash with Hart)

 

So you think Gindl (who hit less than Green at AAA) is more likely to match Hart's production than Green is to beat McGehee's production? That's just crazy talk. The chances of Green hitting .746 (McGehee's career OPS) in the MLB next year are far greater than Gindl hitting .821 (Harts career OPS).

 

With or without Ramirez, I would wager that Green is a backup infielder. Either platooning with McGehee at 3B and Gamel at 1B. Or playing 3B for some games, while Ramirez gets some days off or plays 1B, giving Gamel some days off.

 

No way do we have McGehee and Ramirez on the same team.

[RightFieldCoder]

Interesting trivia, it would mark the 2nd time McGehee would be let go (or placed on waivers) because the team already had Ramirez.

[brewtank34]

Interesting trivia, it would mark the 2nd time McGehee would be let go (or placed on waivers) because the team already had Ramirez.

Seriously! Ramirez most definitely is not on McGehee's Christmas card list. Nice post Robin.

 

[StearnsFTW]

Like I've been saying, the best and most realistic offseason scenario involves the Brewers signing Ramirez and Furcal.

 

Going into 2012 with a lineup of the following looks pretty strong to me:

 

1. Furcal

2. Hart

3. Braun

4. Ramirez

5. Weeks

6. Gamel

7. Lucroy

8. Morgan/Gomez

That lineup has 3 left-handed hitters in it vs RHP.

 

Impossible.