Aramis Ramirez

[Hate those Rodents]

It's possible, but unlikely, that Green's future depends on Hairston. If Hairston resigns, he can backup across the IF and the team may be more content to go with Green as the starter at third. If Hairston doesn't resign, we may want Green to fill the backup role at 2B and 3B for a couple of years and see how he does in that role. Enter ARAM to start at third.

[PrinceEatMeat]

It's possible, but unlikely, that Green's future depends on Hairston. If Hairston resigns, he can backup across the IF and the team may be more content to go with Green as the starter at third. If Hairston doesn't resign, we may want Green to fill the backup role at 2B and 3B for a couple of years and see how he does in that role. Enter ARAM to start at third.

This is a really good point, and it wouldn't surprise me if this is actually Melvin's thinking. It does make a lot of sense. I think Hairston will bolt to a different team though for more money, and a bigger role. Such as San Francisco.

[RedFlash2]

I searched Aramis Ramirez Brewers on twitter, and it was hilarious to see that the majority of the tweets were Cubs fans pissed off that he is interested in coming to Milwaukee. Made me laugh. That would just be the icing on the cake.

REAL Cubs fans are ok with ARam leaving, even to the Brewers, it is the meatheads Cub fans that would be pissed. Those are the fans that don't understand crap about baseball.

 

[TheCrew]

I searched Aramis Ramirez Brewers on twitter, and it was hilarious to see that the majority of the tweets were Cubs fans pissed off that he is interested in coming to Milwaukee. Made me laugh. That would just be the icing on the cake.

Ehhh, it'll be the opposite soon with Prince.

[PrinceEatMeat]

I searched Aramis Ramirez Brewers on twitter, and it was hilarious to see that the majority of the tweets were Cubs fans pissed off that he is interested in coming to Milwaukee. Made me laugh. That would just be the icing on the cake.

REAL Cubs fans are ok with ARam leaving, even to the Brewers, it is the meatheads Cub fans that would be pissed. Those are the fans that don't understand crap about baseball.

I find it pretty hard to believe that it wouldn't kill all Cubs fans to see Ramirez hitting home runs against them in a Brewers uniform.

[PrinceEatMeat]

I searched Aramis Ramirez Brewers on twitter, and it was hilarious to see that the majority of the tweets were Cubs fans pissed off that he is interested in coming to Milwaukee. Made me laugh. That would just be the icing on the cake.

Ehhh, it'll be the opposite soon with Prince.

I highly doubt it. Pretty much everyone believes that the reports of the Cubs being interested in Prince and Pujols are just a smokescreen. Prince will end up somewhere else.

[TheCrew]

I highly doubt it. Pretty much everyone believes that the reports of the Cubs being interested in Prince and Pujols are just a smokescreen. Prince will end up somewhere else.

First time I've heard anyone call Prince/Cubs a smokescreen - and a smokescreen for what?

 

Pujols, they probably just kicked the tires on, but considering they have a new GM (who has a history of overpaying), a need at 1B, Svuem as manager....... oh, and let's not forget that thing Prince wants, they have $$$. I'd say things stack up pretty well for them - plus, if the brewers sign Aram, it takes another prince suitor off the market.

[gregmag]

I can't stand this guy. He is my least favorite Cub of all time. That being said, if he can help us make the playoffs again, I can suck it up and cheer for him. If he sucks, I have even more reason to dislike him. Seems like a win-win.

I love this. It's basically how I dealt with Yuni.

[gregmag]

I think if you don't view the guy as ever having the ability to be an every day player than using him as a bench guy is fine. Farris I think is a good example, assuming he can play at least some shortstop. But if you think the guy may eventually be an everyday player then sticking him on the bench is going to hurt his development. If you don't have room for him, I'd just rather trade him for someone you do need. I think having Green and Schafer on the bench all year is a bad idea. But then again, I know some people don't think Green can be an major league regular. I think he can be which is why I don't want him to sit.

I don't agree with this. Look at Jay and Craig on the Cardinals. Breaking guys in as backups initially can be a very smart move. Teams don't do it much now because of the six-year FA clock.

[brettac1]

I think if you don't view the guy as ever having the ability to be an every day player than using him as a bench guy is fine. Farris I think is a good example, assuming he can play at least some shortstop. But if you think the guy may eventually be an everyday player then sticking him on the bench is going to hurt his development. If you don't have room for him, I'd just rather trade him for someone you do need. I think having Green and Schafer on the bench all year is a bad idea. But then again, I know some people don't think Green can be an major league regular. I think he can be which is why I don't want him to sit.

I don't agree with this. Look at Jay and Craig on the Cardinals. Breaking guys in as backups initially can be a very smart move. Teams don't do it much now because of the six-year FA clock.

I agree with Greg... The thing with those guys is that they had a manager that actually broke them in, and used them in situations for them to succeed. I'm not sure I trust RR to do the same with Green.

[Team Canada]

It's too bad Ramirez isn't a switch hitter or one of Gamel/Green was right-handed. Ramirez could be in platoons at 1B and 3B with Gamel/Green.

That's what I was thinking. Even if the handedness doesn't quite line up, still might not be a bad way to do it (really I just don't want to think about either Gamel or Green sitting in AAA another year).

[paul253]

If Green can get 323 at bats like Jay did his rookie year I'd be ok with that. But with Ramirez at third and Weeks at second, realistically you're talking about him playing once, maybe twice a week. You are probably looking at somewhere between 100 and 150 at bats over the course of the season. I don't think that is enough for a young guy, especially when they will be spaced out with about 4 at bats and then sit on the bench for 3 games. That's been the problem with Gamel when he's been up. He comes up but McGehee was always playing so well so they sat him on the bench. This year it was Fielder who was in front of him. Now it's finally Gamel's chance and he has no options left and his trade value is basically nothing. I'd rather give a guy like Hairston a few million to be the backup guy to all positions, then maybe add someone like Farris who can play second and in a pinch could handle shortstop. Plus Farris would be a good pinch runner and I believe a good defensive replacement for Weeks. I'd be satisfied with an infield of Green, Hairston, Weeks, Gamel, Farris and a shortstop next season.

[PrinceEatMeat]

I highly doubt it. Pretty much everyone believes that the reports of the Cubs being interested in Prince and Pujols are just a smokescreen. Prince will end up somewhere else.

First time I've heard anyone call Prince/Cubs a smokescreen - and a smokescreen for what?

 

Pujols, they probably just kicked the tires on, but considering they have a new GM (who has a history of overpaying), a need at 1B, Svuem as manager....... oh, and let's not forget that thing Prince wants, they have $$$. I'd say things stack up pretty well for them - plus, if the brewers sign Aram, it takes another prince suitor off the market.

The Cubs are just trying to make their fans and the rest of the league think they are players for Pujols and Fielder, when really I don't think they are poised to sign either of them. I think they will go into more of a rebuilding mode, and not send their payroll through the roof right now. Big contracts are what caused them to fail and get to the point they are at right now. Sure they will always be mentioned when it comes to big time free agents, but I don't see them investing in one this year. I honestly believe the chances are very low that they get Fielder. I think most teams realize that he may be a long-term risk, especially in the NL. I think he'll sign with an AL team when it's all said and done.

[Oldcity]

They're in rebuilding mode, which would mean not paying for short term fixes. Fielder would be a long term investment, meaning there's no reason not to go after him.

[PrinceFielderx1]

Seems like a lot of the premium players available if not all of them are either getting old (wrong side of 30) or are injury risks. Rollins (33), Reyes (big injury risk), Ramirez (33), Pujols (31 and has a 200 million and long term deal coming/long term risk) Prince Fielder is the most attractive option, but even he is a long term risk.

 

The Brewers aren't in a position to be giving out huge contracts to these older players and injury risk players. Melvin didn't seem that impressed when he was talking about Ramirez, because he referred to him as just "another bat" in the recent JSonline.com article. I think the Brewers should take a calculated risk and give Fielder a 7 year 20+ million contract and sign him. He would be very good for the Brewers for at least 5 of those years and give the Brewers a 5+ year contention window. The alternative would be to not sign Fielder and have the offense downgraded (possibly significantly) and risk falling out of contention. I choose re-sign Fielder.

[JohnBriggs12]

They're in rebuilding mode, which would mean not paying for short term fixes. Fielder would be a long term investment, meaning there's no reason not to go after him.

 

Huh? You're right about Fielder being a long term investment which is exactly why the Cubs are going after him. Tom Ricketts said yesterday he thinks the Cubs will contend in 2012, but that the complete building job will take more time but not longer than a deal that Fielder will get. The Cubs are not going to just surrender this season. Not with two rivals potentially losing huge parts of their lineups. Signing DeJesus is a sign they are going to try to be competitive.

[Roscoe Chill]

Can you really enter total rebuilding mode with the likes of Alfonso Soriano and Carlos Zambrano on your payroll? Does anyone really think they're just going to wait until these contracts are off the books to try and win? Did Theo Epstein leave Boston for the Cubs for some long rebuild? Let's get real.

Aramis Ramirez? Two years $25M, done. Worry about Taylor Green later.

[jhart05]

I want no part of Ramirez.

 

Save the $20M to $25M.

[PrinceEatMeat]

It's not gonna be a long rebuild, but in the short-term I just don't see them throwing $200 million at Pujols or Fielder. There's always the possibility, but I just don't see it happening.

[jjfanec]

It's not gonna be a long rebuild, but in the short-term I just don't see them throwing $200 million at Pujols or Fielder. There's always the possibility, but I just don't see it happening.

I think it could be a much longer rebuild then people realize. That farm system is not good. They dont have young starting pitching outside of Garza. Their relief pitching is a struggle with Marmol and others. They need a new 1B, 3b, RF, LF and probably CF since Byrd probably doesnt have a ton left. Going forward they are a plus as SS with Castro. They are decent at catcher with Soto and 2B with Barney. But outside of that what do they have at our near the MLB level?

Back to Ramirez I would love him for 2 years. Vastly upgrades our offense and defense at 3B. Shouldn't have to be a super long-term deal. Gives us a solid top of the lineup. Find a SS who can field and our starting pitchers would be loving life

 

[NievesNoNO]

jjfanec[/b]]

Back to Ramirez I would love him for 2 years. Vastly upgrades our offense and defense at 3B. Shouldn't have to be a super long-term deal. Gives us a solid top of the lineup. Find a SS who can field and our starting pitchers would be loving life

I don't think Ramirez is an upgrade defensively. I'd like him on a two year deal, however it's maybe sounding like the Angels and Tigers might be in the mix. Somebody will give him 3 years. Hopefully not the Brewers. As an alternative, I'd like to see the Brewers bring in Kousmanoff and let him and Green battle for playing time. At worst Green beats him out and we have a defensive replacement and some power off the bench for pretty cheap.

 

 

[PrinceEatMeat]

It's not gonna be a long rebuild, but in the short-term I just don't see them throwing $200 million at Pujols or Fielder. There's always the possibility, but I just don't see it happening.

I think it could be a much longer rebuild then people realize. That farm system is not good. They dont have young starting pitching outside of Garza. Their relief pitching is a struggle with Marmol and others. They need a new 1B, 3b, RF, LF and probably CF since Byrd probably doesnt have a ton left. Going forward they are a plus as SS with Castro. They are decent at catcher with Soto and 2B with Barney. But outside of that what do they have at our near the MLB level?

Back to Ramirez I would love him for 2 years. Vastly upgrades our offense and defense at 3B. Shouldn't have to be a super long-term deal. Gives us a solid top of the lineup. Find a SS who can field and our starting pitchers would be loving life

 

Oh, I definitely agree. I was trying to make the point that they are in a rebuild before. I just don't think they'll be in full rebuild mode for years to come. I just think they'll be a little more conservative and Epstein will try to fix things here in the next few years to set himself up to make some big splashes in the future.

[PilprinBuddha]

I'd prefer Cuddyer over ARAM....I like Green over Gamel as an everyday player and think Cuddyer can play 3b, 1b, and OF if needed. I would plug him in at 1b and Green at 3b.

[TheCrew]

[quote author=PrinceEatMeat wrote:

[/b]Pretty much everyone believes that the reports of the Cubs being interested in Prince and Pujols are just a smokescreen.

Looks like you may be on an island with that thought http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/wink.gif

[RWeeksFan23]

We'd lose our first round pick if we signed ARam correct?