Aramis Ramirez

[markedman5]

http://mlbbuzz.yardbarker...h_aramis_ramirez/8452759

[reillymcshane]

Man, I just worry about spending $12-14 million a year for 3-4 years on an aging, poor fielding 3B. I guess you could move him to 1B, but I just don't trust the guy to be worth it.

[chadomac]

He was healthy last year but not in 2009 or 2010. He's getting older and less likely to be able to give us 140 games. I really wouldn't want to sign him to more than a one year deal, and I bet he gets 2 years somewhere. I also am fully content with giving Taylor Green a shot next year, though. I would rather the Brewers spend any available money at SS, the bullpen, and a back-up plan or platoon partner for Gamel and/or Green.

[SZBrewerFan]

If the Crew were to sign Ramirez I personally would sign him to be our first baseman. He is not great at third as it is and has been somewhat "injury prone" over the past few years. I don't know if those injuries are a result of playing third or not but I think it is relatively safe to say it is a more physically demanding position than first. I think an ideal situation would be to sign Ramirez to play first, give Green the opportunity to play third and go with Hairston Jr. at SS. I would then use Gamel as a trade chip to see what he could bring.

[MNBrew]

Between a potential McGehee rebound, the promise of Taylor Green, the hope of resigning Jerry Hairston, and the existence across the diamond of former 3B prospect Mat Gamel, I REALLY don't think we need to be investing energy or resources into any FA 3Bs.

[Invader3K]

An ESPN Chicago tweet suggests the Brewers may have made an offer to Ramirez.

[PrinceEatMeat]

http://www.rotoworld.com/...rez-have-mutual-interest

 

Also mentioned here. Melvin says Ramirez also has interest in Milwaukee. Seems like the possibility is becoming more and more real. It makes a lot of sense since Ramirez prefers to keep his family in Chicago, and that would be pretty easy if he plays in Milwaukee. Personally, I'd love to sign Ramirez. He'd look great behind Braun in the lineup. He could be a force hitting in Miller Park. Then we can platoon McGehee and Gamel at 1B also. And if they don't work out at 1B, then we can move Ramirez to 1B and go with Green at 3B.

[RockCoCougars]

Melvin says Ramirez also has interest in Milwaukee

 

Does that mean that he will take a two year deal? If the Brewers give this guy four years, odds are it will end badly.

[paul253]

So what do you do with Taylor Green? This would just kill his value.

[TooLiveBrew]

I actually really like Ramirez. The sad thing is he may yet even be an upgrade over McGehee on defense, & I doubt many here would pick Casey to outhit him in the near future.

 

I think I agree with RockCo that I wouldn't want to see them go beyond two seasons. Knowing Melvin, it'd be a 2-yr. offer with a team option or mutual option for a third season.

So what do you do with Taylor Green? This would just kill his value.

Trade him or utilize him as a 2B/3B utility player. There's nothing wrong with that, Ramirez is an injury risk & Green could get ~250 PAs just in relief duty at 2B & 3B. Then if Ramirez gets injured, depending on the timing, Green could get more like 350-450 PAs.

[reillymcshane]

So what do you do with Taylor Green? This would just kill his value.

Unless they play Ramirez at 1B and let Green/McGehee fight it out for 1B.

 

I guess who does the team like more - Gamel at 1B or a McGehee/Green option at 3B?

[chadomac]

It's hard for me to believe that they're going to let Green sit in AAA next year. And Gamel can't be in AAA, so he's either on the team or traded. I really don't like this move if they give him more than 2 years... and it seems as if he's going to get 3 years somewhere.

[RockCoCougars]

So many red flags with Ramirez.

 

1. Missed an average of over 40 games over the past three seasons

2. Will be 34 next season (I actually wouldn't be surprised if he was older due to his D.R. background and MLB debut at 20)

3. A butcher defensively at third

4. Has a history of putting up big numbers in contract years (see 2004, 2006, 2011)

 

That's almost enough to make me shy away altogether. He'd be a decent risk for a few years in the likely event Prince is gone, but it's probably a coin flip whether he'd be worth it in the end. More than two years, you are playing with fire.

[dadofandrew]

Green does not project as an everyday 3B, as he has not hit LHP and is not known as a strong defender. Plus he still has plenty of options.

 

Some time in AAA, followed by some time backing up 2B/3B, and maybe even some 1B/OF, is fine with me. A year ago, no one thought of Green as anything but a utility guy. He had a very good '11, but let's not get too excited about a guy in his mid 20's having a breakthrough campaign in the PCL.

 

Aramis projects nicely for the next couple seasons, and I do not see Doug going 4. We're probably only talking about 2014 here.

 

EDIT: His career numbers are nearly identical to his last three year stats. No falloff yet, though that's not saying it won't start tomorrow.

 

Also, as I just stated at Ramblings, he is a dead fly ball hitter, 45%. He is well suited to improve by playing in a HR ballpark, like Miller Park.

[chadomac]

It's too bad Ramirez isn't a switch hitter or one of Gamel/Green was right-handed. Ramirez could be in platoons at 1B and 3B with Gamel/Green.

 

I thought Green was a promising prospect before those wrist injuries? Maybe not.

[Raw Biz]

I thought Green was a promising prospect before those wrist injuries? Maybe not.

He definitely was. I believe he was on the PTBNL list for the CC trade and many were hoping the Indians wouldn't take him. Personally, I always thought Green could be a good MLB player. I see him hitting like a Lyle Overbay-type, not many HRs but lots of doubles. I wouldn't mind ARam on a 2 year deal but I would find ways to start Green 1-2 times a week. I would probably sit ARam once a week to limit injury potential and give Green a start at 3rd and/or give Gamel one day a week off with ARam at 1st and Green at 3rd. Then Green can give Weeks a day off every couple of weeks so he could see something like 8 starts a month plus PH opportunities and finish the year with 300+ ABs.

[KCBrewerfan34]

If we can't get Fielder this guy loves hitting at Miller Park. Let's do either or. I wouldn't find getting this guy and maybe we could get someone else, I would think Fielder will tap us out.

[yoshii8]

Haurdicourt mentions in the most recent jsonline blog that the Brewers are interested in Aramis and he is shown interest in playing for the Brewers.

[NievesNoNO]

I actually really like Ramirez. The sad thing is he may yet even be an upgrade over McGehee on defense, & I doubt many here would pick Casey to outhit him in the near future.

 

I think I agree with RockCo that I wouldn't want to see them go beyond two seasons. Knowing Melvin, it'd be a 2-yr. offer with a team option or mutual option for a third season.

So what do you do with Taylor Green? This would just kill his value.

Trade him or utilize him as a 2B/3B utility player. There's nothing wrong with that, Ramirez is an injury risk & Green could get ~250 PAs just in relief duty at 2B & 3B. Then if Ramirez gets injured, depending on the timing, Green could get more like 350-450 PAs.

I'd like Green just fine as our 2b/3b utility guy. Ramirez on a two year deal would be ideal. He'll more than likely miss some time and be less than stellar on D, but his bat is still legit. This is a little off topic but why is it that we don't fill our bench roles with guys from our system. We've spent all that time developing them and then for some reason feel the need to let the Counsels, Kotsays and Wilson's of the world hang on with roles. Green, Schafer, and Farris would all make excellent bench players imo.

[JohnBriggs12]

So many red flags with Ramirez.

 

1. Missed an average of over 40 games over the past three seasons

2. Will be 34 next season (I actually wouldn't be surprised if he was older due to his D.R. background and MLB debut at 20)

3. A butcher defensively at third

4. Has a history of putting up big numbers in contract years (see 2004, 2006, 2011)

 

That's almost enough to make me shy away altogether. He'd be a decent risk for a few years in the likely event Prince is gone, but it's probably a coin flip whether he'd be worth it in the end. More than two years, you are playing with fire.

I'd pass for anything over $10 million per year or longer than 2 years.. He's not a guy I'd want as a centerpiece on my team. In the post PED era, he's getting to the upper limit age wise and he's had a history of shoulder issues. You won't win with a guy like Ramirez as a key guy in the order. He doesn't get deep in counts either.

[chadomac]

I'd like Green just fine as our 2b/3b utility guy. Ramirez on a two year deal would be ideal. He'll more than likely miss some time and be less than stellar on D, but his bat is still legit. This is a little off topic but why is it that we don't fill our bench roles with guys from our system. We've spent all that time developing them and then for some reason feel the need to let the Counsels, Kotsays and Wilson's of the world hang on with roles. Green, Schafer, and Farris would all make excellent bench players imo.

You may be right about Green and Farris, but they see Schafer as a possible starting CF of the future I think... so he's going to spend next year in AAA where he can play everyday, I would guess.

[Raw Biz]

I actually really like Ramirez. The sad thing is he may yet even be an upgrade over McGehee on defense, & I doubt many here would pick Casey to outhit him in the near future.

 

I think I agree with RockCo that I wouldn't want to see them go beyond two seasons. Knowing Melvin, it'd be a 2-yr. offer with a team option or mutual option for a third season.

So what do you do with Taylor Green? This would just kill his value.

Trade him or utilize him as a 2B/3B utility player. There's nothing wrong with that, Ramirez is an injury risk & Green could get ~250 PAs just in relief duty at 2B & 3B. Then if Ramirez gets injured, depending on the timing, Green could get more like 350-450 PAs.

I'd like Green just fine as our 2b/3b utility guy. Ramirez on a two year deal would be ideal. He'll more than likely miss some time and be less than stellar on D, but his bat is still legit. This is a little off topic but why is it that we don't fill our bench roles with guys from our system. We've spent all that time developing them and then for some reason feel the need to let the Counsels, Kotsays and Wilson's of the world hang on with roles. Green, Schafer, and Farris would all make excellent bench players imo.

I've always wondered this as well. I think STL is a great example of a team who actually gives their young players PT (Jay, Freese, Craig, Descalso, Lynn, Sanchez, Salas, etc.). They always seem to have a lot of young home-grown guys on their team. We'll sometimes give young guys a shot at the bullpen but that's about it. I blame it all on Brad Nelson (/half blue).

[paul253]

I think if you don't view the guy as ever having the ability to be an every day player than using him as a bench guy is fine. Farris I think is a good example, assuming he can play at least some shortstop. But if you think the guy may eventually be an everyday player then sticking him on the bench is going to hurt his development. If you don't have room for him, I'd just rather trade him for someone you do need. I think having Green and Schafer on the bench all year is a bad idea. But then again, I know some people don't think Green can be an major league regular. I think he can be which is why I don't want him to sit.

 

As far as Ramirez goes, I just don't think he's a good investment. I feel like Melvin is trying too hard to replace Fielder's offense and is paying for a guy the Brewers don't really need. I think between Braun, Weeks, Hart, Gamel, and Green you'll hit enough home runs. The key is pitching. I'd rather take the money you would give to Ramirez and put it towards re-signing Greinke and maybe even towards signing another pitcher next offseason when quality pitching will be abundant.

[PrinceEatMeat]

I searched Aramis Ramirez Brewers on twitter, and it was hilarious to see that the majority of the tweets were Cubs fans pissed off that he is interested in coming to Milwaukee. Made me laugh. That would just be the icing on the cake.

[bigjase]

I can't stand this guy. He is my least favorite Cub of all time. That being said, if he can help us make the playoffs again, I can suck it up and cheer for him. If he sucks, I have even more reason to dislike him. Seems like a win-win.