Edwin Jackson

[NievesNoNO]

While I don't think there's any chance of this happening I've been wondering if a smarter alternative to the off season would be to make a run at Edwin Jackson (as opposed to trying to sign Reyes or Prince). I think you could get him on a 3-4 year deal for between 10-13 million per. To me, he's still one of the player that's done the least with his talent but he's still a solid option and better than both Wolf and Narveson. It would improve the rotation, likely improve the bullpen (Narveson), and provide a little cushion should we lose Wolf, Greinke and Marcum following this season. He's a big strong dude that doesn't really have any injury history. He's still young enough and when he's right can dominate any lineup. I also don't think he'll lose much value over even 4 years so if they wanted to move him (imagine that) I think they could get some solid value in return.

 

Part of me believes Jackson + Cedeno/Gonzalez/Santiago + Hairston > Reyes

[JohnBriggs12]

Throw out Greinke's 2009, and Jackson is pretty close to Greinke so it would be worth considering for $4 million or so less per year. I'd only be interested if they also traded Wolf or Marcum or both though. Doing that would still leave room for Reyes. The Brewers are already at $38 million or so for their rotation this year, and adding Jackson would put them at $50 million. That's an awful lot to spend just on the rotation even if only for one year. I do like the thought of signing Jackson a lot better than extending Marcum or overpaying Greinke in dollars and years though.

[TooLiveBrew]

Jackson's a nice option for some leverage in terms of the rotation. The Brewers very well could lose Greinke & Marcum after next season, which would leave the starting rotation in a sorry state.

 

I'd much rather see the Brewers spend a bit on pitching this offseason than make huge offers to Fielder/Reyes.

[dadofandrew]

I like Jackson, he's been a solid SP after being rushed early. Signing him and trading Greinke or Marcum would be a stellar deal, as would signing almost any FA and then trading the guy they replace. Making that work, however, is difficult. However, with the shortage of SP, it is not a bad idea, if you can work it out.

[YoungGeezy]

Jackson's a nice option for some leverage in terms of the rotation. The Brewers very well could lose Greinke & Marcum after next season, which would leave the starting rotation in a sorry state.

 

I'd much rather see the Brewers spend a bit on pitching this offseason than make huge offers to Fielder/Reyes.

Bullpen yes, starters no. Next year as of right now, looks to be a very nice FA pitcher market. We have a staff together this year, let it run course and then sign one if thing fall through with Greinke and Marcum

 

Here is a list of potential SP FA's next off-season: *means the have option, bold are some targets without out an option that would interest me.

Scott Baker *

Joe Blanton

Matt Cain

Fausto Carmona *

Kevin Correia

John Danks

Jorge De La Rosa *

R.A. Dickey *

Scott Feldman *

Gavin Floyd *

Zack Greinke

Jeremy Guthrie

Cole Hamels

Dan Haren *

Tim Hudson *

Colby Lewis

Francisco Liriano

Kyle Lohse

Derek Lowe

Shaun Marcum

Daisuke Matsuzaka

Brandon McCarthy

Brett Myers *

Carl Pavano

Jake Peavy *

Anibal Sanchez

Jonathan Sanchez

Ervin Santana *

Joe Saunders

James Shields *

Jake Westbrook *

Randy Wolf *

Carlos Zambrano *

[thebruce44]

Throw out Greinke's 2009, and Jackson is pretty close to Greinke so it would be worth considering for $4 million or so less per year.

Yes, if you throw out the best season anyone has had in nearly a decade, then two additional great seasons, they are pretty close.

[DHonks]

It's worth checking out what he's after. As Al said, he was perhaps rushed, although I credit his struggles to the major shoulder injuries he had. Remember when he was supposed to be the centerpiece to the proposed trade of Sexson to the Dodgers?

[CheezWizHed]

I think you could get him on a 3-4 year deal for between 10-13 million per.

 

Yeah, I'd take a look for that price range. But you would either have to move Wolf or Marcum if you did that. Having Gallardo, Grienke, Marcum, Wolf and Jackson in the lineup sure looks good, but is just to expensive given other needs we have.

[JohnBriggs12]

Throw out Greinke's 2009, and Jackson is pretty close to Greinke so it would be worth considering for $4 million or so less per year.

Yes, if you throw out the best season anyone has had in nearly a decade, then two additional great seasons, they are pretty close.

What two additional great seasons? The ones that were similar to Jackson's 2009 and 2011?

 

My point is that if you pay Greinke based on his 2009 numbers, there's a much greater chance you are overpaying for a guy who'll be about as good as Edwin Jackson going forward.

[thebruce44]

Throw out Greinke's 2009, and Jackson is pretty close to Greinke so it would be worth considering for $4 million or so less per year.

Yes, if you throw out the best season anyone has had in nearly a decade, then two additional great seasons, they are pretty close.

What two additional great seasons? The ones that were similar to Jackson's 2009 and 2011?

 

My point is that if you pay Greinke based on his 2009 numbers, there's a much greater chance you are overpaying for a guy who'll be about as good as Edwin Jackson going forward.

His 2008 and 2010 were far superior to anything Jackson has ever done. Though if I remember correctly, you value different peripherals than I do so this discussion probably isn't going to arrive at us agreeing.

[TheCrew]

Who cares who is better - would love to have either one locked up long term. Jackson is vastly under rated and if he came at a discount.................... I just can't see Melvin going that route under any circumstances, at all.

[thebruce44]

Who cares who is better - would love to have either one locked up long term. Jackson is vastly under rated and if he came at a discount.................... I just can't see Melvin going that route under any circumstances, at all.

Well when using one to compare proposed salary to the other I would think everyone would care who is better.

[thebruce44]

It's worth checking out what he's after. As Al said, he was perhaps rushed, although I credit his struggles to the major shoulder injuries he had. Remember when he was supposed to be the centerpiece to the proposed trade of Sexson to the Dodgers?

Jim Leyland really Jim Leylanded Jackson in 2009. I'm surprised his shoulder has held up these past two years.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/sortable/index.php?cid=1047332

[TheCrew]

Well when using one to compare proposed salary to the other I would think everyone would care who is better.

Your comparing hypothetical salaries........

[thebruce44]

Well when using one to compare proposed salary to the other I would think everyone would care who is better.

Your comparing hypothetical salaries........

 

 

And? What am I missing? How do you estimate a players worth than by looking at other players? How do you decide how to fill out a rotation and balance a payroll? You don't discuss their value and past performance compared to their peers?