Clint Barmes to Pirates (2yr / $10.5mil)

[Samurai Bucky]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/11/pirates-reach-agreement-with-clint-barmes.html

 

 

[Funketown]

That's more than I thought he'd get but I'd still have liked to see the Brewers ink him to that deal (assuming Reyes isn't coming to Milwaukee).

 

It's going to be scary if this market continues to thin out...

[SeriesFinale]

So YuniB is almost certainly coming back then?

[RockCoCougars]

Once he signs, will we be starting a 2012 version of the 'What value does Yuni bring to the team', or should we just use the old one to debate his merits?

[AdvantageSchneider]

This is interesting.

 

McTaggart says Barmes talked to the Brewers about a possible two-year deal, but they weren't willing to make an offer until Prince Fielder's situation was resolved.

 

Assuming this is true then Doug has been sending a whole bunch of smoke and mirrors up about moving on without Prince. Either that or they really weren't that interested in Barmes, which given our organization's commitment to all offense and no defense could be possible.

 

I guess Reyes and Furcal are still out there, but a return or Yuni B seems all but inevitable doesn't it?

[monty57]

Prince and Boras will use the Brewers as leverege to get the biggest possible deal out of some other team, and we will put all of our possible alternatives on hold while Boras plays us. Prince won't sign until Pujols "sets the market," and meanwhile the available middle infielders are coming off the market. I guess we'll see what AAAA SS are left in a month or two when Prince finally signs with someone else.

 

I don't even think that signing Prince would be a good idea unless the Brewers have suddenly come upon some significant annual revenue increases. Tell Prince it was nice knowing him, and get on with putting the roster together.

[sveumrules]

Time to call Kenny Williams and tell him he can have whatever he wants from our farm (besides Peralta & 2011 draftees) for Alexei.

[The Truth]

Time to call Kenny Williams and tell him he can have whatever he wants from our farm (besides Peralta & 2011 draftees) for Alexei.

Wouldn't want to trade Thornburg either but yeah that would preferable by a long shot than another year of watching Yuni stumbling and bumbling at SS

[trwi7]

sveumrules wrote:

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Time to call Kenny Williams and tell him he can have whatever he wants from our farm (besides Peralta & 2011 draftees) for Alexei.

So we want your good shortstop but aren't giving up our top 3 prospects to get him. Yeah, I'm sure that conversation will go far.

[reillymcshane]

Time to call Kenny Williams and tell him he can have whatever he wants from our farm (besides Peralta & 2011 draftees) for Alexei.

I love Ramirez. He would be a sweet addition. I think the Sox can get a lot for him in this market (should they elect to trade him).

[sveumrules]

Well, it is Kenny Williams.

[PrinceEatMeat]

Kenny Williams did seem pretty happy at the fact that he's going to rebuild his team. He just loves to trade.

[nate82]

Time to call Kenny Williams and tell him he can have whatever he wants from our farm (besides Peralta & 2011 draftees) for Alexei.

Well then you are not getting Alexei as Alexei is going to cost an arm and a leg prospect wise.

[reillymcshane]

Well, it is Kenny Williams.

Who will be Kenny Williams new speedy, rag-armed OF who can only hit singles? He had Scotty Pods and then Juan Pierre for ages.

[brettac1]

Nyjer Morgan!

[reillymcshane]

Nyjer Morgan!

That's frighteningly accurate.

[Funketown]

Nyjer Morgan!

Not to mention, I can just see the Plush being a huge sensation on the South Side. He's probably too good to be their prototypical speedster though.

[danzig6767]

I'm disappointed to see Barmes sign elsewhere, he was the guy i had really hoped Melvin could land at shortstop for a few reasons.

 

1. Not much better of a hitter than Yuni, but a pretty significant upgrade defensively

 

2. Two years isn't a long term commitment

 

3. Wouldn't cost the team any prospects or draft picks

 

Given the dearth of other free agent shortstop options, Barmes struck me as the most ideal candidate for the Brewers and he signed for roughly what i had expected. I figured before free agency started that he'd get 2 years around 9-10 million.

[Hate those Rodents]

We can hopefully get Furcal for around what Barmes got. Or give me Jed Lowrie in small trade.

[PrinceEatMeat]

Furcal will get at least $16-18 million over 2 years, so that's not all that close to $10 million. However, it might be worth it for the upgrade of Furcal over Barmes based on the alternative of Betancourt.

[GamelToe]

People really wanna pay over $5 million per a year to a guy who puts up Alcide Escobar-esque numbers? A defensive upgrade is fine, but don't blow your wads over it due to one season of watching terrible defense. There is a middle ground.

 

Pirates show why they are a perennial cellar dweller. No money to spend? Let's decline a 1 yr $3 mil option and pay $10.5 mil for 2 years on a guy who is probably going to give less production.

[Invader3K]

This was the Pirates' annual "Hey, we gotta pay somebody, right?" signing, like Lyle Overbay last year.

[JohnBriggs12]

Keith Law takes the Pirates to task for the Barmes signing pointing that Barmes has a career road line of .230/.272/.361 and that at 33 he's more likely to get worse on offense and defense than he is to get better. The Brewers dodged a bullet by not signing this guy.

[YoungGeezy]

Keith Law takes the Pirates to task for the Barmes signing pointing that Barmes has a career road line of .230/.272/.361 and that at 33 he's more likely to get worse on offense and defense than he is to get better. The Brewers dodged a bullet by not signing this guy.

 

Amen! Great non-sign

[brewmann04]

No problem passing on this gut especially for that price ,expect melvin to get us a quality SS.