Barmes, 2-3 year offer

[crewcrazy]

The Pirates declined a $3 million option on Ronny Cedeno to give Barmes $5.5 million a year, $11 million total. Barmes is a bit better than Cedeno, but not enough to warrant that much more of a commitment, IMO. That's a contract that would make more sense for a team like the Brewers, who would've been making a clear upgrade with Barmes.

 

It's also possible that this signing isn't a money thing -- Barmes really likes Clint Hurdle from their days in Colorado. Can't blame a guy for going to work for a boss he really liked, even if they're not going to contend.

[cvollbrecht]

I'd rather have Furcal at 15-18M/2 years than Barmes at 11M/2.

[The Truth]

Hardy only got $7 million per and he hit 30 bombs last year in a partial season with plus defense

I agree that Hardy is a better (maybe much better) overall SS than Barmes.

 

I just hope there is another option for the Brewers than going back to Betancourt. I don't see the Brewers winning the division without Prince and with Yuni B at SS

[WisconsinSportsRule]

I swear to God if this team has Yuni back starting at SS, I will be irate.

[monty57]

Everything I've read had Barmes going for around $5MM per year, and that's right around what he allegedly got. If we're not willing/able to match 2 years / $11MM for the best available option at SS from the "B" class, then I'm starting to get a little worried about our 2012 SS situation. It's possible Barmes wanted to go to Pitt to be with his old coach, and I hope that's the case, otherwise I don't know what our solution will be for under $5MM... Maysonet anyone?

 

I will now be pretty upset if Melvin goes out and signs an "8th inning guy" for $4-5MM and we get stuck with a worthless SS.

[PrinceEatMeat]

Everything I've read had Barmes going for around $5MM per year, and that's right around what he allegedly got. If we're not willing/able to match 2 years / $11MM for the best available option at SS from the "B" class, then I'm starting to get a little worried about our 2012 SS situation. It's possible Barmes wanted to go to Pitt to be with his old coach, and I hope that's the case, otherwise I don't know what our solution will be for under $5MM... Maysonet anyone?

 

I will now be pretty upset if Melvin goes out and signs an "8th inning guy" for $4-5MM and we get stuck with a worthless SS.

Totally agree with this viewpoint. Most people seem to think we still have a shot a Reyes, Rollins, or Furcal, but if Melvin wouldn't pay that for Barmes, I don't see him paying any of those what they want. I have slight hope for Furcal, but that's it. I'm hoping we start hearing of interest in other options out there instead of Betancourt. I have a bad feeling Melvin will sink about $6-7 million into Saito and Hawkins, or other relievers and keep Betancourt for a low price.

[RockCoCougars]

I was all over Furcal in July, but I don't want any part in giving him a deal that's more than a year with an option. If Melvin pursues him now, it makes absolutely no sense to me. If he wasn't good enough down the stretch drive for almost nothing at the deadline, why would he be worth a fairly lucrative, likely multi-year deal now? I've got to think that he's going to get a deal that is a tad more than what Barmes got.

[PrinceEatMeat]

I wonder if Alex Gonzalez or Ronny Cedeno are possibilities. Neither are that far and away different than Barmes.

[PrinceEatMeat]

Heyman just tweeted that the deal is 2 years $10.5M, just putting finishing touches on it.

[reillymcshane]

Heyman just tweeted that the deal is 2 years $10.5M, just putting finishing touches on it.

 

 

I figured Barmes was in the $4-5 million range, so it's a bit of an overpay in my book. But all the same, I'd rather spend $5.5 or so on Barmes than bring back yuni at $1 million.

 

Maybe Doug feels that furcal or someone else is available that he is going to spend his money on. But I liked Barmes a lot. I think he would have fit well.

[pingman]

Gonzalez would be a solid fall-back option....

 

He deserved to win the Gold Glove this year...he had a bad year at the plate but I think he would do better in a park with shorter dimensions than the Ted in ATL....lots of warning track power in that park leads me to think he could still hit 20-25 homers in Milwaukee....and he knows how to win

 

Gonzo made a reasonable $2.5 million in 2011 so he would be affordable

[YoungGeezy]

I am all for Gonz and have been extremely disappointed that he is the only SS we have not been linked to what so ever. I'd take his defense over nearly any other FA and his bat is not great but nor is Furcal, Barmes, Yuni, and etc. Reyes and Rollins are the only ones who offer both O and D, the rest are very one-side.

[prophet]

I doubt he'll be very cheap, I'd expect him to get more than Carroll. 2-3 years, $6-7M per would be my guess.

 

That said, compared to Reyes/Rollins, I guess that is "cheap."

If Clint Barmes gets 6-7 million per year, then this is one of the worst signings they could make. How could his production make that viable?

 

edit: sorry, didn't read the whole thread. But i'm glad we didn't pay that.

[endaround]

An average starter is worth $8-10m, Barmes could make the value of his entire contract in one year.

[Hate those Rodents]

I want Lowrie from Boston and also Mike Bowden too. Hopefully we have a lesser trade match to get those two...

[MNBrew]

Looking at the remaining FA options at SS, I'm encouraged that both Reyes & Rollins are still out there. Certain bullpen holes are still there, but I'm really thinking it's worth the investment to get one of those two top SS's. Their "pedigree" in terms of track record for solid all-around production wastes anything the Brewers have in the system at SS above rookie ball.

 

Unless Melvin has a rabbit to pull out of a hat, I believe either Reyes or Rollins would be the best options, hands down. Between the two, they'd probably have a better shot at Rollins, and the $8.5M/yr is much more affordable than what Reyes & his agent envision his worth to be.

 

Tying back into the thread subject (kinda) . . . For those of you readily willing to have paid Barmes $5M/yr., wouldn't you figure the additional $3.5M/yr. to upgrade to Rollins would be more than worth it . . . and all the more so since his veteran experience & a (hopeful) Hairston re-signing would likely eliminate the need for a Kotsay-type acquisition later in the winter?

[brewmann04]

I still think we see Melvin get us a big upgrade @ss

[monty57]

Looking at the remaining FA options at SS, I'm encouraged that both Reyes & Rollins are still out there. Certain bullpen holes are still there, but I'm really thinking it's worth the investment to get one of those two top SS's. Their "pedigree" in terms of track record for solid all-around production wastes anything the Brewers have in the system at SS above rookie ball.

 

I would also love to have one of these guys. However, in the milwaukeebrewers.com article discussing the Brewers SS pursuit, it said that Melvin has spoken with Reyes, but admits he's probably out of the Brewers' price range, and he was going to speak with Rollins. He was then quoted saying something like, "you never know if he might be open to signing a one-year deal and testing the market again next year." Kind of sounded to me like Melvin is letting these guys know that the Brewers can be a fallback if the market isn't there for them this year.

[reillymcshane]

I'm afraid we are going to get a Yuni at veteran's minimum and then a flyer on some AAA guy or something like that. They'll get someone they hope can be okay, but have Yuni in their back pocket to step in.

[PrinceFielderx1]

I still think we see Melvin get us a big upgrade @ss

I'm not sure it will be a SS, but I suspect that Doug Melvin will be assertive in trying to replace Fielders production. That is just Doug Melvin's style as GM. I have a hard time seeing Doug Melvin not making any additional moves to improve the starting line-up and just going with what they have.

[chadomac]

Barmes to the Pirates is a done deal according to MLBTR.

[reillymcshane]

Barmes to the Pirates is a done deal according to MLBTR.

http://www.mlbtraderumors...t-with-clint-barmes.html

 

I get worried seeing this kind of thing:

 

Barmes told McTaggart the Brewers also offered a two-year deal, but they preferred to wait until the Prince Fielder situation was resolved before making any moves.

I worry the Brewers will let opportunities pass them by as they wait out Fielder. I guess, maybe, they think they have a real shot at him. I just hate that kind of paralysis.

 

Barmes isn't the greatest player by any means, but he would have been a solid addition. He was getting pricey, but it wasn't outrageous for a short term commitment.

[chadomac]

I don't think the Brewers truly believe they have a shot at Fielder, and anything that Mark A or anyone in the organization has said is simply for PR's sake. I highly doubt they would pass up opportunities because they're not sure if they're going to be using a quarter of their payroll to pay one guy next year.

[RightFieldCoder]

They are waiting out the Fielder situation because if they don't get Fielder, they would offer the money to Reyes/Rollins. Why sign Barmes for 2 years if you think you'll sign a better SS for 5? I just hope they don't strike out and get nobody.

[RockCoCougars]

I think that there is a legitimate shot for Fielder. It seems that every week that goes by another team drops out of the hunt. The one team that I see mentioned the most these days is Seattle, but their local media is clamoring for them to dump some salary (Figgins, League, etc.) to free up cash for Prince. They are on the hook for $45 million for Ichiro, Felix and Figggins alone next year, can they really commit another $20 some million to one guy?