Proposal: Sign Fielder/Barmes, Trade Hart/Marcum/Gamel

[The Truth]

This is just what I would try to do:

 

I'd look to trade Marcum, Hart & Gamel for young, solid pitching. You can never have too much pitching

 

With the money saved from trading Hart & Marcum, I'd think I could

afford Barmes as well as just bite the bullet and make the big move of

re-signing Prince Fielder

 

I'd start Caleb Gindl in right field and have Morgan as the 4th OF.

(I'd prefer Carlos Gomez starting every day in CF, I believe he's turned

the corner with his hitting and with Barmes & Gomez there'd be

improved defense)

 

I'd start Taylor Green at 3B with McGehee backing him up.

 

The loss of Marcum from the rotation in 2012 would not be insignificant, but I'm unsure about Marcum anyways. His trade value is likely down, but given how well he's pitched in his career, I think a team like the Yankees would take a chance on him in exchange for a good prospect.

[The Truth]

Meant to add: I think trading Corey Hart could bring a fairly significant pitching prospect. Hart is a very good player signed to a pretty affordable contract for 2012 & 2013.

 

Overall I would much prefer trading for 3 or 4 excellent pitching prospects than shelling out big money to extend Greinke and/or Marcum. Greinke is a career 3.82 ERA, 1.250 WHIP guy, I don't think he's worth a huge money contract

 

I would prefer to go into 2013 with Fielder & Peralta, Thornburg plus 3 or 4 top young pitching prospects than going into 2013 with big money shelled out to Greinke, no Fielder, and not much in pitching prospects other than Thornburg & Peralta

 

And I think there's every reason to believe that Caleb Grindl could be just as good as Corey Hart

[TheCrew]

Why is everyone so eager to trade Marcum on here? He is exactly the type of pitcher we should lock up for 3-4 years right now, then let him walk.

[nate82]

Why is everyone so eager to trade Marcum on here? He is exactly the type of pitcher we should lock up for 3-4 years right now, then let him walk.

No he is not exactly the type of pitcher that should be locked up for 3-4 years. Marcum is going to be bad going forward as he doesn't have a good fastball and he has to rely on his off speed pitches to be successful along with locating. Marcum is not someone I want the Brewers to lock up at all in a long term deal unless it is a rather team friendly deal something like 3 years $27m.

[TheCrew]

No he is not exactly the type of pitcher that should be locked up for 3-4 years. Marcum is going to be bad going forward as he doesn't have a good fastball and he has to rely on his off speed pitches to be successful along with locating. Marcum is not someone I want the Brewers to lock up at all in a long term deal unless it is a rather team friendly deal something like 3 years $27m.

That's exactly the type of deal I had in mind (I thought 3/$30) - Marcum still has a few years of well above average stuff left in him. I realize Suppan has everyone a bit hesitant to go with a pitcher that doesn't have a power fastball - but I think it's being overlooked at how well Marcum pitched last season.

[The Truth]

3 years $27 million vs 3 years of $450,000 per year out of a top prospect pitcher. I think the Brewers need to get younger with their pitching staff

[The Truth]

Similar to what I posted about Greinke, Marcum is a career 3.72 ERA , 1.217 WHIP guy. He is what he is. Both Greinke & Marcum are solid pitchers but not aces. Both of them are much more similar to Randy Wolf than the Halladay, Lincecum, Cliff Lee types. Sure Greinke won a Cy Young, but its arguable that was a career year, and arguable that he'll never pitch like that again.

 

I would rather give the big money to Prince, who you know is going to produce for several years than take a chance on a 3.75 ERA pitcher

[Dollarbill13]

Name an excellent pitching prospect who is rumored to be available. I'd be all over trying to sign Greinke and Marcum to extensions. I probably wouldn't go more than 3 years on Marcum but if you can get him for 3 for $9-10M per year, that's a fantastic deal. The last two years, Greinke has a FIP like a $20M pitcher. Either he's the exception to the rule that ERAs trend toward FIP in the long run or we have the opportunity to extend him for substantially less money than he's likely to be worth. I'd rather do that than sign Fielder into his twilight years for a contract that he's unlikely to out-produce.

[dadofandrew]

Teams do not trade major league ready young pitching. Especially not SP's.

[nate82]

Teams do not trade major league ready young pitching. Especially not SP's.

They do but it is normally for an established major league starting pitcher or a prospect for prospect swap (Garza for Young).

[paul253]

How about Bentaces from the Yankees? He may need another year in AAA but Marcum for Bentances is a deal I'd take. If they miss out on Wilson you never know.

 

And what about one of the plethora of pitchers from the Braves? Beachy, Teheran, and Vizcaino are probably too much too ask for but what about Minor or Delgado for Corey Hart?

 

If I could make either or both of those two trades I'd take them.

[nate82]

How about Bentaces from the Yankees? He may need another year in AAA but Marcum for Bentances is a deal I'd take. If they miss out on Wilson you never know.

 

And what about one of the plethora of pitchers from the Braves? Beachy, Teheran, and Vizcaino are probably too much too ask for but what about Minor or Delgado for Corey Hart?

 

If I could make either or both of those two trades I'd take them.

I am not sure the Yankees will trade any of their young pitchers. They are going to need all of the pitching they can get as they have nothing in the majors right now other than Nova. I would rather target Banuelos than Bentances though but neither will be traded for Marcum maybe for a Greinke deal you could get one but not for Marcum the same with the Braves I don't see them trading their young pitching unless they are getting a young player who they can control for about the same amount of time as the pitchers they would be giving up.

[paul253]

Braves I

don't see them trading their young pitching unless they are getting a

young player who they can control for about the same amount of time as

the pitchers they would be giving up.

 

 

But the Braves have an excess of it. I know they are looking to deal Jurrjens and have already traded Lowe, but I still count 7 starting pitchers they have right now that are able to start in the majors (Jurjens, Minor, Beachy, Hudson, Hanson, Vizcaino and Delgado). Plus they are looking for a power hitting corner outfielder. This is where the Brewers lack of depth in the minors absolutely kills them. They can't trade any pitching prospects because they desperately need them. And they can't trade their positional prospects because, well, they don't have any of them that are any good.

 

I am not sure the Yankees will trade any of their young pitchers. They

are going to need all of the pitching they can get as they have nothing

in the majors right now other than Nova.

 

And Sabathia. But my thinking is that if they don't feel Bentaces or Banuelos is ready they may be willing to trade them for someone like Marcum, who has had success in the AL East already. Resigning Marcum wouldn't be a problem for them if they wanted to do that. It doesn't hurt to ask.

[PilprinBuddha]

I want Prince back.....but

 

If I had to choose between Prince and the Grienke Marcum Duo....I would take the latter.

 

I would like to se a 5 year Grienke deal and a 3 year Marcum deal.

 

1b? Prince can't be replaced....the position will take a dramatic downturn offensively....but thats the life of a small-med market team.

[The Truth]

Teams do not trade major league ready young pitching. Especially not SP's.

I was advocating trading for pitching prospects, not major league ready pitching. Highly regarded prospects who might be ready in 2013 or 2014. Thinking about it more, if the Brewers cannot sign Fielder (and that remains to be seen), I could get behind using some of that money towards Greinke

[RockCoCougars]

Outside of freeing up some cash for Prince, there is no reason for this team to trade anybody for prospects until mid season next year, and that's if they tank.

[PrinceEatMeat]

Well, Barmes is going to Pittsburgh. Plan officially crushed.

[chickinbrickin]

Meant to add: I think trading Corey Hart could bring a fairly significant pitching prospect. Hart is a very good player signed to a pretty affordable contract for 2012 & 2013.

 

Overall I would much prefer trading for 3 or 4 excellent pitching prospects than shelling out big money to extend Greinke and/or Marcum. Greinke is a career 3.82 ERA, 1.250 WHIP guy, I don't think he's worth a huge money contract

 

I would prefer to go into 2013 with Fielder & Peralta, Thornburg plus 3 or 4 top young pitching prospects than going into 2013 with big money shelled out to Greinke, no Fielder, and not much in pitching prospects other than Thornburg & Peralta

 

And I think there's every reason to believe that Caleb Grindl could be just as good as Corey Hart

 

Completely agree, all the Caleb Gindl projects at most as a 4th OF talk is garbage. I have been high on him for a long time and all he has ever done is produce at every stop in the minors. Might not have the power Hart has but he has pop and will be a better defender. I really would like to see Hart traded for pitching propects or an upgrade at 3B or SS. Hart has a lot more trade value that people think.

 

I could go either way with Prince. If he was re-signed it would be great, but I wouldn't be upset if he left.