College Basketball 2011-2012

[brettac1]

Yeah... the Krabbenhoft syndrome.

[Glennron]

This offense is just a total embarrassment.

[bjkrautk]

Putting the Ugh in Ugly today. http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/frown.gif

[RockCoCougars]

The Badgers are officially a joke. To me, Bennett-ball has run it's course. I'm starting to hear a lot more rumblings of people who have tired of the Ryan era as well.

[jjfanec]

While I dont want Ryan to go just yet, I think this team needs a shake up. Firing a coach after one year of being bad doesnt make sense. Especially when we have some of the best recruits in a while in the 2011-2013 class. Dekker and Koenig have a chance to be a really special pairing especially with guys like Uthoff and Marshall. They could all bomb but good coaches have bad years and this is one of those. It is really hard to watch right now.

 

Of course you are hearing rumblings of people wanting Bo out. His team is losing. If this team somehow got hot and won 5 in a row (not likely) the rumbling would stop. Sadly next year looks to be even worse.

[RockCoCougars]

I don't know. The schedule gets incredibly brutal in two weeks. This team is looking like an NIT team at this point, if that.

[jjfanec]

I don't know. The schedule gets incredibly brutal in two weeks. This team is looking like an NIT team at this point, if that.

I agree they look like an NIT team, but the next four are winnable games. Purdue and Illinois have struggled just like the Badgers and Nebraska and Northwestern at home are games they could win. They finish up with 4 games that are winnable. They need 8 wins to get to the tourney more than likely. If they play like they have been they wont get there. If they play like they did against UNC and UNLV they will get there. Taylor needs to be more aggressive early in the game

[TooLiveBrew]

The Badgers are officially a joke. To me, Bennett-ball has run it's course. I'm starting to hear a lot more rumblings of people who have tired of the Ryan era as well.

I've been tired of the swing offense from the day it began. I love just about everything else Bo Ryan does as a coach, but his teams' lacks of offense & athleticism drive me batty.

[PKBadger]

Bennett-ball is dead. All you have to do is look at the Virginia Cavaliers' record.

 

Everyone needs to take a big step back from the ledge.

[Oldcity]

Bennett-ball is dead. All you have to do is look at the Virginia Cavaliers' record.

 

Everyone needs to take a big step back from the ledge.

For what reason, exactly? The team doesn't have good shooters, and they don't have athletes. The biggest reason they hold opponents to low point totals is more a produce of their long offensive possessions than their defensive ability.

 

Where are the resume wins going to come from?

[Baldkin]

The Badgers are #1 in the country in defensive efficiency -- that is NOT ppg, that is points per possession, so it has nothing to do with how long their offense takes to shoot.

They play defense. Problem with 2 of the last 3 games is they haven't, and their average offense has been well below average.

 

They have 14 games left, and are currently sitting at 12-5. If they go 8-6 they are all but guaranteed an NCAA bid, they are playing in probably the toughest conference in the country.

It might be a down year for Bo Ryan, but only 2 of their top 9 are Seniors. They are a young team, and they were probably ranked much too high at the start of the season. If they keep shooting 10% from 3 point land they won't make the tournament, but I just can't imagine that happening.

[Glennron]

HUGE win for Wisconsin tonight. Only their second win at Purdue since 1972 and it snapped Purdue's 26 game win streak at home. Nice to see Bruiser finally show up during a conference game, he was 4-4 on threes. I thought Evans did a really good job on Hummel as well.

[LouisEly]

Bennett-ball is dead. All you have to do is look at the Virginia Cavaliers' record.

 

Everyone needs to take a big step back from the ledge.

For what reason, exactly? The team doesn't have good shooters, and they don't have athletes. The biggest reason they hold opponents to low point totals is more a produce of their long offensive possessions than their defensive ability.

 

Where are the resume wins going to come from?

Damn near got one at Duke tonight. Missed two 3-point shots in the last few seconds that would have sent it into overtime. The list of teams that have won at Duke in the last 20 years is a very short list.

 

Oh, and their forwards are very athletic.

[PKBadger]

Bennett-ball is dead. All you have to do is look at the Virginia Cavaliers' record.

 

Everyone needs to take a big step back from the ledge.

For what reason, exactly? The team doesn't have good shooters, and they don't have athletes. The biggest reason they hold opponents to low point totals is more a produce of their long offensive possessions than their defensive ability.

 

Where are the resume wins going to come from?

 

I was mainly responding to the idea that Bo Ryan's system didn't work anymore, and the "rumblings" about people wanting him gone (preposterous) that were mentioned upthread.

[brwrsfan]

I think Ryan's system works, but like any college team, it only works to a certain extent. If you look at the years where they were very good, they always had an elite player that could make things happen or could deviate from the system to the teams benefit - like Harris, Leuer and Tucker. The problem is, with the way Bo recruits, these players are few and far between. He almost always recruits to fit the system, and those guys have very specific skill sets. One of these players has to dramatically improve or happen to be elite (with the correct skill set) to come to Wisconsin. Other big name programs get all kinds of elite players, throw them at the wall and some of the stick and become studs. Wisconsin just doesn't have many guys to throw at the wall so to speak. Looking at the current roster, it's hard to even find a player that has a chance to reach that level, they all seem like role players to me.

 

I can't figure out whats going on though. The last couple of years it's been all three pointers. That was always part of the Ryan system but I just don't remember it being to the extent it has been the past few years. Last year it made some sense as guys like Nankivil, Leuer and Taylor could hit them with a lot of consistency, but this years team just simply can't do that and they haven't adapted at all. It's hard to complain too much about a coach that's never missed the NCAA tournament, won a couple of Big Ten titles and is usually ranked in the top 20, but unfortunately I think this may be the cap for Bo. Solid teams, the occassional Big Ten championship, but in most years, very very little chance at a Final Four or national title contender.

[brettac1]

Dependence on 3's is pretty standard in college hoops now, and it makes sense with how close the line is. Duke is especially a team that is really dependent on it, even though Coach K was resistant to it for a while. Obviously if you don't have anyone that can shoot, it doesn't make as much sense, but theoretically the shooters on this team were supposed to be better.

[brwrsfan]

But we can't shoot it, and when the shots aren't falling, we have virtually no fall back options. Taylor can create his own shot or for his teammates, but he almost never does unless there is 5 seconds on the shot clock, which is very low percentage. Bergeron has some post moves, but they almost never give him the ball there. When the threes aren't falling, good teams find other ways to score and they just don't seem capable of doing that.

[brettac1]

The swing has never been about going down to the post and doing back to the basket type of, it's more about getting open jump shots. So, you get those painful nights when they can't make one. Or, you get the 10 minutes without a FG stretch that happens in virtually every game.

[PKBadger]

I think Ryan's system works, but like any college team, it only works to a certain extent. If you look at the years where they were very good, they always had an elite player that could make things happen or could deviate from the system to the teams benefit - like Harris, Leuer and Tucker. The problem is, with the way Bo recruits, these players are few and far between. He almost always recruits to fit the system, and those guys have very specific skill sets. One of these players has to dramatically improve or happen to be elite (with the correct skill set) to come to Wisconsin. Other big name programs get all kinds of elite players, throw them at the wall and some of the stick and become studs. Wisconsin just doesn't have many guys to throw at the wall so to speak. Looking at the current roster, it's hard to even find a player that has a chance to reach that level, they all seem like role players to me.

What you're seeing this season from the Badgers is a result of a couple consecutive shaky recruiting classes. However, Jarrod Uthoff (redshirting this year) is an exciting prospect, and Sam Dekker and Bronson Koenig will be arriving in 2012 and 2013 respectively - both are top-rated recruits. There are really good things on the horizon for UW.

[TooLiveBrew]

Am I remembering correctly that Dekker is like... uber-top-rated? Like one of the best recruits UW basketball has ever had?

[brettac1]

He's a 5 star guy.

[PKBadger]

Am I remembering correctly that Dekker is like... uber-top-rated? Like one of the best recruits UW basketball has ever had?

Dekker's #18 in the country (#5 at small forward) on Rivals. Wasn't as highly regarded when he committed to the Badgers, but has improved dramatically over the past year or so (lucky us).

 

Koenig is #64 in the country in the 2013 class and had offers from Duke, UNC and Kansas.

[Baldkin]

He's probably the highest since Sam Okey and or Rashard Griffith.

[jjfanec]

KegStand81 wrote:

Dekker's #18 in the country (#5 at small forward) on Rivals. Wasn't as highly regarded when he committed to the Badgers, but has improved dramatically over the past year or so (lucky us).

 

Koenig is #64 in the country in the 2013 class and had offers from Duke, UNC and Kansas.

CBS Sports did a college draft type article where they picked who they would have coach their team and who would be their players and they also said what 5 high seniors they would pick. One of the 4 guys picked Dekker as one of his five. Top 5 in the country! The loss of Tokoto to UNC was lessened by how Dekker has exploded.

This years freshman class looks better than the previous classes as well. As a true freshman Kaminsky already looks like he can play which is impressive for a big. Jackson hasnt played much but has held his own when in the game he is just behind three guys. The two red-shirts - Uthoff who was highly regarded (one service had him at 90) and Marshall looks to be the quick guard this team lacks. Now they could all flop but add in that group with Dekker, Koenig and some other recruits and I think the Badgers are heading in the right direction even if the next two years are a bit of a struggle

[TooLiveBrew]

Dekker's #18 in the country (#5 at small forward) on Rivals. Wasn't as highly regarded when he committed to the Badgers, but has improved dramatically over the past year or so (lucky us).

 

...

 

One of the 4 guys picked Dekker as one of his five. Top 5 in the country!

 

Yeah, thanks guys... I thought I remembered Dekker absolutely blowing up, prospect-status-wise.