College Basketball 2011-2012

[TooLiveBrew]

perhaps he is leaving because of threat of reduced playing time because of Dekker.

 

That's the assumption I've made. I can't blame a kid for deciding to go somewhere else so he can play.

if that is the reason it is short-sighted since as a Sophomore he was penciled in to be a starter.

Hmm, I figured he'd be behind Evans at the #3 -- was he slotted in at the #2 spot?

[jjfanec]

perhaps he is leaving because of threat of reduced playing time because of Dekker.

 

That's the assumption I've made. I can't blame a kid for deciding to go somewhere else so he can play.

if that is the reason it is short-sighted since as a Sophomore he was penciled in to be a starter.

Hmm, I figured he'd be behind Evans at the #3 -- was he slotted in at the #2 spot?

 

Evans and Bruiser are seniors next year and Uthoff would have just been a red shirt freshman next year. So with those guys gone there was a lot of minutes for him at the forward spot opposite Dekker

[TooLiveBrew]

Oh ok, there's where I was confused. Forgot he was a redshirt frosh for this coming season. Thanks!

[jjfanec]

I dont like the move, but if kids worried about this type of stuff then recruits would not sign a lot of places. Tom Crean has a history of over-recruiting and then older players "just happen" to transfer. Buzz has had a couple guys who committed to Marquette only to not seem wanted anymore. Read about DJ Newbill. What is my point - kids still love playing for these guys. By all accounts guys love Crean, Buzz and Bo even if they do some things I dont agree with. I dont like the state of college athletics. I think everything favors the coaches and universities. But it is how it is. Up until this Bo had seemed to do most things with players the right way. This is a mistake but I dont think it hurts them long term.

[jjfanec]

Roco said, "OK, Tubby's replacement will be happy then.... The bottom line is that this is a petty Bush League move. I don't see the reason for barring ACC teams as being the ACC/Big 10 Challenge. I think that Ryan feels a threat from ACC teams recruiting in Wisconsin. North Carolina has been pretty aggressive here as of late, and Bennett is now in Virginia. The bottom line is that if I'm a high school coach counseling one of my players who is pretty torn on where to go to school, I'd remind the kid of this precedent. I'm sure that coaches from other schools will as well. This really makes no sense to me, because I see no benefit and very little detriment to letting this kid go where ever he wants. He's already barred from the Big 10 unless he wants to pay his own way, and I don't see him hurting UW if he goes anywhere else."

 

I dont like the move, but if kids worried about this type of stuff then recruits would not sign a lot of places. Tom Crean has a history of over-recruiting and then older players "just happen" to transfer. Buzz has had a couple guys who committed to Marquette only to not seem wanted anymore. Read about DJ Newbill. What is my point - kids still love playing for these guys. By all accounts guys love Crean, Buzz and Bo even if they do some things I dont agree with. I dont like the state of college athletics. I think everything favors the coaches and universities. But it is how it is. Up until this Bo had seemed to do most things with players the right way. This is a mistake but I dont think it hurts them long term.

[RockCoCougars]

I think everything favors the coaches and universities.

 

You hit the nail on the head regarding my primary beef here. Basically, this kid is in indentured servitude while Bo could walk tomorrow if some school wanted to triple his salary and give him a sweet 'shoe deal' and endorsements as fringe benefits. Meanwhile, the UW is making money hand over fist regardless. If this kid really wanted to play for (gasp) Iowa State, I don't think that would derail Bo's championship dreams.

[jjfanec]

I think everything favors the coaches and universities.

 

You hit the nail on the head regarding my primary beef here. Basically, this kid is in indentured servitude while Bo could walk tomorrow if some school wanted to triple his salary and give him a sweet 'shoe deal' and endorsements as fringe benefits. Meanwhile, the UW is making money hand over fist regardless. If this kid really wanted to play for (gasp) Iowa State, I don't think that would derail Bo's championship dreams.

 

Well I think the kid has it better of then maybe you describe (he got a year of school paid for and a ton of coaching to develop as a player) I agree that that athletes are at a disadvantage

[jjfanec]

I think everything favors the coaches and universities.

 

You hit the nail on the head regarding my primary beef here. Basically, this kid is in indentured servitude while Bo could walk tomorrow if some school wanted to triple his salary and give him a sweet 'shoe deal' and endorsements as fringe benefits. Meanwhile, the UW is making money hand over fist regardless. If this kid really wanted to play for (gasp) Iowa State, I don't think that would derail Bo's championship dreams.

 

Well I think the kid has it better of then maybe you describe (he got a year of school paid for and a ton of coaching to develop as a player) I agree that that athletes are at a disadvantage

[fondybrewfan]

Bo is looking more and more like a petty tool regarding this Uthoff situation. Just let him transfer anywhere but B10 and Marquette and be done with it. Why the heck should Bo care that Uthoff might end up at Florida or ACC where the Badgers might play them in a regular season game? Who the heck cares? Just let him transfer and move on; he is getting killed in the media right now and is getting what he deserves

[bjkrautk]

http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/story/2012-04-19/wisconsins-bo-ryan-seeks-answers-not-disdain-in-attempt-to-block-jarrod-uthoffs-

 

Per the above report, all non-Big Ten restrictions on Uthoff's transfer have been lifted, following his appeal.

 

Ryan had made it clear he had been bothered that Uthoff was leaving the program without so much as a face-to-face meeting, instead declaring his intent in a telephone call when Ryan was taking a postseason vacation with his wife.

 

Uthoff, a 6-8 forward from Iowa who redshirted last season, had more than a week to speak with Ryan personally following the Badgers’ loss to Syracuse in the NCAA Sweet 16. If he’d waited a few days until Ryan returned from California -- Ryan even offered to cut his trip short to meet with Uthoff -- there were another three weeks or so before Wisconsin’s semester ended.

[MJLiverock]

Lots of missing information and misunderstandings in this whole situation. ESPN ran with the AaU coach's story of 25 teams submitted by Uthoss and half getting banned. The UW comes out today an says 16 schools submitted, only 4 banned and only 3 appealed.

 

ESPN rags on Bo but in the very next blog article regarding the B10 they mention Ohio State blocked the B10 for both their transfers and Michigan's coach says he has blocked not only the conference but anyone on the schedule for 2 years. Doesn't seem to be a concern for their recruiting or anyone's since it is so common. But them again ESPN didn't decide to have a tizzy over any of the countless similar examples that exist.

[TooLiveBrew]

In reading some of the coverage of Ryan's presser today, it certainly sounds like the main thing he was after from Uthoff was to talk about the decision with him.

 

I admit I don't know anything, really, about how this all went down... but I don't think it's out of line for a coach to ask a player to talk with him about why he's decided to transfer.

[jjfanec]

Not a good week for Wisconsin schools in terms of treating players well. i didnt the like the ACC restrictions on Uthoff, but at least in the end Wisconsin did the right thing. From Bo's interviews even before the Appeal meeting this seemed like the plan all along. They just wanted him to have to explain why he was doing it since he never did that. Dont know if that was the best approach though

 

Now Marquette has an incoming freshman, Durley, who signed a letter of intent who is no longer coming. The university will never say this but this looks completely like a kid getting run off. He struggled his senior year but still had an offer and signed on signing day. Marquette then started to recruit Trent Lockett who is transferring even though they dont have any open spots. Here is a timeline

 

April 17 - Aaron Durley tweet "...I'm going to Marquette...": https://twitter.com/#!/ADurley...362034145398785

 

April 18 & 19 - Trent Lockett visits Marquette

 

April 20 - Aaron Durley released from LOI

 

I doubt there will be the uproar to this because it happened over the weekend but this is a bad way to treat a student athlete. Once the kids signs he should be on the team unless his academics or personal conduct get him kicked off.

[patrickgpe]

was looking at the marquette 2012-13 schedule this afternoon and uwm is not on it, doesn anyone know if they rivalry between the 2 schools is over. i believe they signed a 4 year deal (which may have expired) it would be sad that 2 schools in the same city cannot figure out a way to get this done. Wonder if getting 2 new AD's in the last year made it harder to figure this out.

[Marc Newfield of Dreams]

was looking at the marquette 2012-13 schedule this afternoon and uwm is not on it, doesn anyone know if they rivalry between the 2 schools is over. i believe they signed a 4 year deal (which may have expired) it would be sad that 2 schools in the same city cannot figure out a way to get this done. Wonder if getting 2 new AD's in the last year made it harder to figure this out.

 

When did the rivalry start?

 

Regardless, they had planned on renewing, but MU had the chance to play OSU on the carrier and took it. That was the last non-conference slot they had available due to Maui and the BE-SEC Challenge against Florida.

 

Not sure if they'll renew next season or not... I'm sure MU's scheduling needs will change when the Big East gets weakened in the coming years.