College Basketball 2011-2012

[TooLiveBrew]

Yeah, that Syracuse game was horrendous. I watched the last ~15 minutes after class and it was pretty painful to see UNC-A get totally hosed. They still probably would have lost if those calls had gone their way, but they might have had a ~35-45% chance to win if that lane violation hadn't been called. I've never liked Syracuse (don't they just seem like a skeezy program?), but this gives me one more reason to dislike them.

But the lane violation was a lane violation. It's not like a ref can just look the other way intentionally & in good conscience, 'just because'. Mistakes happen, of course, but no mistake was made on that call (or the same call that went against Notre Dame tonight).

[berniebrewer4life]

But the lane violation was a lane violation. It's not like a ref can just look the other way intentionally & in good conscience, 'just because'. Mistakes happen, of course, but no mistake was made on that call (or the same call that went against Notre Dame tonight).

 

It has more to do with the fact that lane violations are never called. If you called lane violation half the time it happens, games would never end. It occurs every time. Is it against the rules? Sure. And the refs were correct in that call. However, when you haven't called it all game, and all of a sudden decide to call it? That's kind of bush league IMO.

[Glennron]

^Exactly. If the ref didn't call a lane violation in that situation, literally no one would have even noticed or complained. I really feel like lane violations occur on every final free throw attempt, it's just that it's probably called about 2% of the time. Just a very lame time to call one.

 

It's also funny to me that Duke losing is grabbing all the headlines over Missouri losing. Basically everyone who has followed college basketball this year knew that Duke was much weaker than the rest of the top teams, but it's somehow a bigger upset because of the name. That Norfolk State upset is once in a generation.

[TooLiveBrew]

Were lane violations actually not called earlier in the UNC-A/Syracuse game? I admit I'd never noticed perimeter lane violations prior to this weekend

[jjfanec]

That particular type of lane violation is rarely called because it rarely happens. Very rarely does a team send one of the back guys crashing in for a rebound. They stay back to stop the other team from getting out in transition. It mainly only happens at the end of the game when a team is desperate for a rebound

[Funketown]

I actually didn't see the lane violation all that well (I was watching on my phone), but the announcers seemed to think it was a pretty odd call. It's kind of one of those things that probably happens all the time but almost never gets called.

 

The Missouri upset was so much bigger than the Duke upset. Lehigh is now ranked 78 by Ken Pomeroy, Norfolk State 186! Duke looked entirely vulnerable many times this season, especially in the last few weeks, when they got pummeled by UNC, lost to FSU, and narrowly escaped VaTech twice.

[jjfanec]

I actually didn't see the lane violation all that well (I was watching on my phone), but the announcers seemed to think it was a pretty odd call. It's kind of one of those things that probably happens all the time but almost never gets called..

 

The announcers actually dont know the rule. Finally one of them realized it and then said, "that is the correct call." They were focused on the guys in the lane not the guy behind the shooter

[trwi7]

^Exactly. If the ref didn't call a lane violation in that situation, literally no one would have even noticed or complained. I really feel like lane violations occur on every final free throw attempt, it's just that it's probably called about 2% of the time. Just a very lame time to call one.

 

Bingo. I can understand calling it if a guy runs from behind the 3 point line to the free throw line before the guy takes his shot or when he just starts taking his shot but to call it right before the ball hits the rim is such a stupid rule and a rule I've never seen enforced until this tournament.

[M Skjellyfetti]

I don't know if I've ever seen someone violate this specific rule, which would lead to it not being enforced. IIRC, you can enter the perimeter arc after the ball hits rim, but those at the lane can enter the lane when the ball is released. If this is in fact the rule, I have absolutely no problem with its enforcement. I would have a problem if it was ignored. Also, I strongly disagree with the sentiment that lane violations could be called every time. That statement just seems hyperbolic and lacking supporting evidence.

[Glennron]

I don't know if I've ever seen someone violate this specific rule, which would lead to it not being enforced. IIRC, you can enter the perimeter arc after the ball hits rim, but those at the lane can enter the lane when the ball is released.

 

Wow you're totally right. To be honest I thought it was the same regardless of where you were. That would make sense as to why I thought there were violations all the time. My mistake.

[pitchleague]

I'm guessing, then, that Clark Kellogg was wrong last night when he was trying to explain it. He said that players outside the 3-point arc can't enter until after release.

 

Which, of course, is what both players did in the two instances of lane violations.

 

If the rule is, in fact, players outside the arc can't enter until the ball hits the rim, then it was the right call.

 

Kellogg had me so confused last night.

[TooLiveBrew]

I'm guessing, then, that Clark Kellogg was wrong last night when he was trying to explain it. He said that players outside the 3-point arc can't enter until after release.

 

Which, of course, is what both players did in the two instances of lane violations.

 

If the rule is, in fact, players outside the arc can't enter until the ball hits the rim, then it was the right call.

 

Kellogg had me so confused last night.

Yep, I was trying to talk to Clark last night through my TV & let him know he was giving the incorrect rule explanation to the national audience. For some reason, he couldn't hear me.

[TooLiveBrew]

I'm itching for this Marquette-Murray St. game to start. It's going to have the kind of pace that will make you tired just watching.

 

And UW-Vanderbilt... I hope the Badgers remember to keep moving on offense, because Vandy has perimeter players who are probably still going to be able to create their own shots, so the Badgers probably won't be able to just defend their way through Vandy.

[owbc]

What an ugly game between Marquette and Murray St. Crowder is completely lost and the teams are running up and down the court but barely scoring any points at all. Hopefully Marquette starts hitting some shots.

[Menotti80]

DJO and Crowder are both broke.

[jjfanec]

Not a good half by either team but that 2 before the half (missed travel) is big for Marquette. Marquette needs someone other than Mayo to hit a three. Each teams has missed a fair amount of shots at the rim.

 

Marquette needs to remember you dont have to push every single time.

[Glennron]

I don't think Marquette's pace has been the problem, they're just missing shots. Same for Murray State. Expecting (hoping for) a much better second half overall.

[Menotti80]

Vander blue is a failure

[PeaveyFury]

Holy crap, that no-charge arc call on Taylor wasn't even close.

 

Officiating in the entire tourney this year has been absolutely abysmal.

[valpocrewsader]

Yeah, Badgers really getting hosed by the officials in that first half. That blocking foul that should have been a charge, a hack call on a clean block, and two blatant push-offs by Vandy that went uncalled. Should be up six or eight at the half instead of just one.

[Menotti80]

Sloppy win for Marquette, with little contribution from DJO.

But sweet 16 baby!!! (Gotta love Buzz!)

[valpocrewsader]

And then they miss a call in our favor at the end at a critical time. Vandy fans probably very upset about that, but on balance the bad calls have likely evened out over the course of the game.

[craigharmann]

I hate Indiana....I hate Crean.....I hope they lose their next game by 20.

[Hammer]

I cannot stand how this tournament is being affected by the refs. This KY vs Iowa State game has been an absolute joke. ISU would actually still be in this game if not for this travesty of officiating. Horrid.

[bjkrautk]

Badgers shot selection was not good, and they looked as though they had never seen a zone defense before when Vandy switched to it (which I'm sure will be a point of emphasis preparing for Syracuse next), but the defense and hustle made the difference.