Milwaukee Bucks 2011/2012

[brwrsfan]

After watching Lebron tonight I am 100% sold on him being the villain in the NBA. I honestly can't see how anyone could every consider him to be the best player ever. He flops, whines, fakes injuries to get calls. One.complete.delta.bravo!

I only saw the final five minutes of of the game but it's hard to disagree with this. His acting job on Bogut's sixth foul was embarrassing.

The worst part of this was that the way the officials handled it. They didn't call the foul right away. Bogut tipped the ball back out, Jennings (I think) had it and was dribbling. The shot clock was at 19, so a full FIVE seconds came off the clock. During this time, Lebron grabs his face and falls to the floor, THEN they called the foul. If it's a foul, and you think it's a foul, then call it. To retroactively call a foul a full FIVE seconds afterwards (confirmed with the shot clock) is a complete joke.

 

[Menotti80]

Yeah, the delay was so long Bogut was more laughing about it than angry at the call. But then again, I'm sure he sees this kind of bad officiating in favor of the superstars all the time, so I doubt he's all that surprised.

[brwrsfan]

Whats the deal with Jon Leuer lately? He's started the last two games, played 4-5 minutes in the first quarter and then never saw the floor again the rest of the way. I knew Leuer and Harris' minutes would dip when Luc and Dunleavy returned, but that was pretty drastic. Why even bother to start him then?

 

It's this type of coaching that irritates me. This team isn't going anywhere this year, and yes, they need to win games, but also need to develop the rookies some and at least give them some time. Both played well in that last stretch before these two games and now either one can barely find the floor.

[yoshii8]

Good wins the last 2 games. I'm hoping there trying to flip Stephen Jackson, although I can't imagine they would get much for him. I'd also love to see them get a legit backup C like Pryzbilla.

[CheezWizHed]

Whats the deal with Jon Leuer lately? He's started the last two games, played 4-5 minutes in the first quarter and then never saw the floor again the rest of the way.

 

He was defending Stoudamire and Bosch in those games. I think Skiles wanted to give him a shot at those guys, but then when he didn't play that well, pulled him for LRMaM. I think just giving him the start is a nice way to work him in.

 

Skiles quote after the Hawk's game:

 

"I don't know if people fully understand what some of these rookies have to go through. He's got Amar'e[/b] ( Stoudemire[/b]) in (Madison Square) Garden and he's got Bosh down (in Miami) - these are difficult things, and he's learning.

[Baldkin]

Now, if anyone can explain Bogut not playing an entire 4th quarter in a close game, in favor of freaking terrible Drew Gooden....

 

edit: Gooden is fine as a backup C, and fine as a PF. But he is not someone you want playing 25 minutes in a game at C.

[yoshii8]

I was also baffled by that coaching decision.

[bthurley19]

Skiles, to me, seems like the type of coach that would do much better as an assistant. His game/player management just does not seem to work at the pro level. I don't really have the time to go through all the box scores to see how bad the Bucks are being outscored in the 3rd quarter this year, but I venture to guess that it is substantial. Seems to me that was an issue last year as well. Doesn't seem like Skiles is making the proper adjustments at the half that the rest of the league is.

[brettac1]

Really nice win tonight, aside from Bogut getting hurt AGAIN.

[Hammer]

Websters has a picture of Bogut next to the word "injury". I swear, **if** he gets healthy and the Bucks are dropping back in the standings they need to unload him while they still can. Who needs to squeak into the 8th place in the East? Trade assets, build for the future and hopefully land something in the draft. I'm sick of 7th or 8th in the East. Blow it up and build for 2013/2014.

[Menotti80]

I didn't see the injury, but did he roll an ankle? I know he's injury-proned but some of it is just bad luck, especially that elbow injury

[Hammer]

Yep...a lot of it looks like bad luck. Let someone else take on that snake-bitten luck...

[homer]

I didn't see the injury, but did he roll an ankle? I know he's injury-proned but some of it is just bad luck, especially that elbow injury

He landed on a guy's foot and rolled his ankle. He has just been cursed.

[fondybrewfan]

The only problem with trading bogut is that I don't think anyone wants to see Gooden as the starting C. They don't have a whole lot of options there; Sanders is too small too hold up consistently.

[brwrsfan]

I know Ersan played extremely well last night, but with Bogut out, I would have thought guys like Leuer and Sanders would get more playing time, but that wasn't really the case as they combined for 10 minutes total. I just don't understand the thinking behind the playing time at this point.

 

In my opinion, this team is no better than .500, if that, why would it be such a bad thing to give young guys like Leuer, Sanders and Harris time on the court to develop a little bit, see what they have? Leuer played well in his starts I thought, then he struggles defensively against two all-star players (Bosh and Stoudamire) and has logged a total of 12 minutes or so in the next three games, even less for Harris. It frustrates me. It's not like we have all stars playing in front of them, it's guys like Mike Dunleavy.

[JJHardy7]

Any word on how long Bogut is out?

 

The only problem with trading bogut is that I don't think anyone wants to see Gooden as the starting C. They don't have a whole lot of options there; Sanders is too small too hold up consistently.

 

I'm not saying he's great, but Gooden has a fair share of haters. I'd guess these haters and those that want to tank would LOVE to seey Gooden play at center all year.

 

I'm not against blowing things up, but I think we may have a few young pieces in place. IMO, it really depends on BJ. He's still very young. If he wants too much money or isn't going to continue to develop, I think we blow it up.

 

I'm not against trying to get a high lottery pick, but my idea of blowing it up would be to stop getting guys like Gooden, Dunleavy, Jackson, etc. Let the young guys play. If we win, we win. If not, we'll only get better. I'm sick of bringing in veterans who can somewhat play, but are preventing our young guys from playing. I'd rather have the young guys with potential play and land in the lottery than continuing to bring in different veterans every year. I think you need to bring in the veterans after you've established something and can give them a specific role that they will succeed in.

[homer]

I didn't see the injury, but did he roll an ankle? I know he's injury-proned but some of it is just bad luck, especially that elbow injury

And the migraines.

[nate82]

The only problem with trading bogut is that I don't think anyone wants to see Gooden as the starting C. They don't have a whole lot of options there; Sanders is too small too hold up consistently.

I would love to see Gooden as the starting C as that would mean the Bucks would get a guaranteed top 5 pick in the draft.

[fondybrewfan]

The only problem with trading bogut is that I don't think anyone wants to see Gooden as the starting C. They don't have a whole lot of options there; Sanders is too small too hold up consistently.

I would love to see Gooden as the starting C as that would mean the Bucks would get a guaranteed top 5 pick in the draft.

Don't be so sure; there are some really bad teams.

 

Bucks would get unlucky in the lottery anyways and end up picking farther back. I always think it was unlucky that the Bucks lucked out and got the #1 pick the year after Lebron and the year before Dwight Howard. Bogut is a good player but not a #1 type.

 

[trwi7]

How is that unlucky? They had a chance to pick Chris Paul or Deron Williams. The scouting and drafting just suck.

[brwrsfan]

At the time of that draft, I think almost everybody had Bogut as the consensus #1 pick. It just wasn't a great overall draft class with a dominate player in it.

 

Bogut was great in college, was young and played a premium position. Unfortunately, Bogut never really got any better or developed into the stud a lot of people thought he could be.

[Corn Trader]

The perception in the draft that year was either Bogut or Marvin Williams were the two potential stars in the draft. Looking at it that way, we got kind of lucky

[Gobias Industries]

The perception in the draft that year was either Bogut or Marvin Williams were the two potential stars in the draft. Looking at it that way, we got kind of lucky

If we would've drafted Williams over Bogut we probably would've started a complete rebuild by now. Just sayin.

 

Bogut is a good player who can help a team but he's more of a complementary piece and not a centerpiece. He's been just good enough to keep us from being lolbad the last few years. Instead we're mediocre every year which is much worse.

 

If Skiles wakes up and makes the C/PF rotation LRMAM-Ersan-Sanders-Leuer and more importantly benches Gooden while Bogut is out they shouldn't miss a beat. I think Bogut's days of being an elite C are gone. He looks absolutely terrible this year. His offense is so bad he's basically just a one-way player now. If he's on the team the start of the next year I'm gonna lose it.

[CheezWizHed]

Unfortunately, Bogut never really got any better or developed into the stud a lot of people thought he could be.

 

Actually, I disagree. He is probably the 2nd best center in the league... (wait for it)... when healthy.

 

But given the team and his constant health issues, we probably better off going into rebuilding mode.

[RockCoCougars]

I tire of the whole second guessing with Paul and/or Williams. First of all, they were never in the discussion. It was going to be Bogut/Williams or Williams/Bogut. It's smacks of the whole 'We should have drafted Will Clark over Surhoff' (1989-1993) later replaced with 'We should have taken Barry Bonds over Surhoff (1994-). Secondly, neither of them would be currently playing in Milwaukee now anyway, as both whined until they were traded. Frankly, I think that both are somewhat overrated anyway.

 

Look at the Top 3 picks over the past several years, they are about a 50/50 proposition. For every Durant, there is a Marvin Williams. For every Dwight Howard, there is a Kwame Brown. Tanking does not insure success, especially with the way that drafts have been watered down the past 20 years or so, not to mention that there are several horrible teams in the league right now. The Bucks could tank and end up with the #7 lottery pick, then get jumped by two teams that get lucky. I'd rather make the playoffs than get a pick in the 7 to 10 range.