Milwaukee Bucks 2011/2012

[Baldkin]

If they draft Leonard I will not attend or watch another Bucks game until Kohl sells the team.

 

He is horrible, disinterested, and doesn't even appear to like playing basketball. I've never seen a guy with his build and raw talent not care as much as he does on the basketball court. He consistently got lost on defense, refused to box out, and never helped his teammates out from the weakside.

 

He doesn't attack the rim against undersized opponents, instead settling for crappy fadeaways and turn around jumpers which he can't make.

 

You can blame Bruce Weber if you want, but the onus falls on the player to self-motivate and get better on their own, especially in the NBA.

[trwi7]

If they draft Leonard I will not attend or watch another Bucks game until Kohl sells the team.

 

He is horrible, disinterested, and doesn't even appear to like playing basketball. I've never seen a guy with his build and raw talent not care as much as he does on the basketball court. He consistently got lost on defense, refused to box out, and never helped his teammates out from the weakside.

 

He doesn't attack the rim against undersized opponents, instead settling for crappy fadeaways and turn around jumpers which he can't make.

 

You can blame Bruce Weber if you want, but the onus falls on the player to self-motivate and get better on their own, especially in the NBA.

 

How can we pass up the oppurtunity to get a younger version of Drew Gooden?

[fondybrewfan]

I agree; Meyers Leonard just screams bust. Like Joe Alexander level bust.

 

I hear the Bucks connected to Austin Rivers and Tyler Zeller quite a bit; I would much prefer Rivers as I think that is a bigger need. I like Udoh at the C position over Zeller

[yoshii8]

I agree, I don't want the Bucks to draft Leonard.

 

I'd love to see the Bucks draft either Zeller or Rivers. I think a Udoh/Zeller front court would be very solid.

[patrickgpe]

meyers screams alexander or pryzbilla, wouldn't want that. i'd take him over zeller though if they must draft a center.

 

the 4 players i am focusing on is Marshall, Perry Jones 111, Terrence Jones, or Sullinger.

[brwrsfan]

meyers screams alexander or pryzbilla, wouldn't want that. i'd take him over zeller though if they must draft a center.

 

the 4 players i am focusing on is Marshall, Perry Jones 111, Terrence Jones, or Sullinger.

 

In fairness to Pryzbilla, he did have a pretty long career and is still somewhat servicable as a backup C. Alexander was a complete and total flop that was out of the NBA within 2 years. Good thing we didn't draft Brook Lopez.

 

I don't know who I want in this draft, but I'm sure Hammond will screw it up. I wouldn't mind Jones or Zeller I guess.

[brwrsfan]

meyers screams alexander or pryzbilla, wouldn't want that. i'd take him over zeller though if they must draft a center.

 

the 4 players i am focusing on is Marshall, Perry Jones 111, Terrence Jones, or Sullinger.

 

In fairness to Pryzbilla, he did have a pretty long career and is still somewhat servicable as a backup C. Alexander was a complete and total flop that was out of the NBA within 2 years. Good thing we didn't draft Brook Lopez. You know, because we had Bogut and we couldn't possibly figure out how to make them work together.

 

I don't know who I want in this draft, but I'm sure Hammond will screw it up. I wouldn't mind Jones or Zeller I guess.

[patrickgpe]

I know pryzbilla went on to have a decent career, but was basically a backup and didn't really start playing well until he left the bucks.

[fondybrewfan]

I don't understand why anyone would actually want Sullinger. He is a short center who has no jumping ability or long range shot. Where exactly is he going to play? It may have worked against college level talent but he won't be able to get his shot off or rebound in the NBA when he is extremely underized. He is like Jon Brockman. He may not be a fat tub of lard like Tractor Traylor but he is going in with a major competitive disadvantage. The best you can hope for is Dajuan Blair.

[RockCoCougars]

I think that Sullinger is going to drop like a rock. I also think that Austin Rivers, who I've targeted for awhile is going to go in the Top 10. I see Perry Jones associated with the Bucks a lot... he reminds me a lot of Tim Thomas, and I'm not sure if that's a good or a bad thing. I don't think that Jones is going to last until the Bucks pick anyway. My gut is telling me Tyler Zeller right now unless someone like Lamb (who I think will either be very good or terrible, can't figure him out) drops. It wouldn't shock me if Zeller was taken before the Bucks either. There is some upside with Zeller, and I don't think that barring injury he will ever be a complete bust. That said, the upside is pretty limited... if he could bulk up and get a little toughness, I could see him being a Brad Miller type. He's not going to be a star but he could be someone who could pull down close to a double/double average in time.

 

I shudder to think about Meyers Leonard, but I can't see Hammond making yet another risky pick.... unless he wants to get fired (which actually may not be a stretch).

[patrickgpe]

from what i saw he was a decent low power scorer, but doesn't have the size to be a dominant bigman. i'd rather get someone like Perry Jones, but I think Sullinger will be a decent PF in the NBA. Ersan was able to play the 4 and didn't have the size either. Sullinger has a decent jump shot too. not saying he will be an Ersan type player but it can be done.

 

also on NBAdraft.net's site his NBA comparison in Boozer.

[Gobias Industries]

sully tested really poorly at the combine, but he was very productive from the word go at OSU. I'm a little skittish after he bombed at the combine though. I still would absolutely pick him before Zeller, and most likely Leonard.

[rwa12]

Sullinger couldn't produce against bigger competition. I think his most favorable comp would be Blair from San Antonio. I don't think he has anything in common with Ersan. Not sure who he will be able to guard in the NBA either. I really smell bust on him. I think Zeller is a rotation guy, not a superstar, but should enjoy a career barring injury. If they play Perry Jones at the 3, he may be worth a flyer. Crazy talent, hates playing the 4. Leonard scares me, there is a lot of talent there, but lack of effort and Scott Skiles = not good.

[FVBrewerFan]

Three guys that intrigue me are:

 

Moe Harkless- Quick, lanky, length. Translates well to NBA, Improved as the year went on. Like many young guys, needs to work on jumper.

 

Royce White- That X factor type. NBA body. Finds ways to score. Can defend, rebound. Brings lots of intangibles. Seems like at times he can play bigger than he is, and also plays smaller when necessary. He does have a phobia about flying. If that can/ has been handled I like him a lot.

 

Festus Ezeli- Here's a guy who really improved as the year went on. Long, shot blocker, real defensive presence. Developed some post moves by the end of the season. I think he'll continue to get better. Reminds me of Hibbard.

 

All three of these guys would be considered a reach at 12. But like them all better than Lamb, Zeller, Meyers, Sullinger, or Jones. Rivers is the only guy near the 12th pick that I like. I don't like guys like that who are surrounded by a ton of talent and don't really stand-out. And as others have siad, Meyers just looks dis-interested. Now give him some money, and really watch him disappear.

 

This franchise needs to role the dice on upside. Fast forward 3 or 4 years and I'll bet you my 3 are better players than any of those other guys.

[RockCoCougars]

Royce White intrigues me, but I'd worry how his game will translate to the NBA as he seems to be the classic tweener. Depending on who is on the board, I may take a flyer on him.

[fondybrewfan]

From everything I have read; drafting White that high would be a pretty big reach. I wouldn't be opposed to trading down and taking him if Hammond doesn't like what is left on the board at #12.

 

Atleast right now it seems that Hammond is hell bent on drafting a big guy and that scares the crap out of me.

[trwi7]

Have to get a big man because he was stupid and took a garbage trade for the big man he did have.

[patrickgpe]

Have to get a big man because he was stupid and took a garbage trade for the big man he did have.

i disagree, there is no point in taking a big man just to take one. If you think Leonard or Zeller will turn into atleast an good starter, than take him. If you don't, don't waste another pick. This is Hammond's fifth draft and lets just say he has shown he is no Ted Thompson on draft night. They need to get a player that can help them instead of drafting for position of need.

 

Trading Bogut might have been short sided, and was probably dictated by Kohl in a lame attempt to back into the playoffs, but that mistake shouldn't cause JH to make another one.

[fondybrewfan]

Milwaukee Bucks last 10 1st Round Picks:

 

2011 - Tobias Harris (TBD; likely role player at best)

2010 - Larry Sanders (Role player at best)

2009 - Brandon Jennings (Ok PG; probably Top 15 in League, good pick)

2008 - Joe Alexander (Think he works at Burger King now)

2007 - Yi Jianlan (not with team; role player at best)

2006 - No first round pick

2005 - Andrew Bogut (Good Pick)

2004 - No first round pick)

2003 - TJ Ford (Out lof league, back problems)

2002 - Marcus Haislip (Think he works at Hardees now)

 

That is exactly 2 good picks allbeit with no all star appearances out of the last 10 years and virtually all of them were Top 15 picks with 6 being in the top 10. This is why the Bucks have been a middling crappy franchise

[rwa12]

I would argue that Ford was a good pick, who got seriously injured in game. Ford was the reason we never considered Chris Paul with the top pick, and there wasn't much of an argument about it.

[RockCoCougars]

Look at the last five picks. All were flyers with fairly high picks, I'll give them a 25% success rate and an incomplete on Harris (who showed potential at times last season). Two of these guys were unmitigated busts, and I'm not a fan of Sanders either. I know that a lot of people love Sanders elsewhere, but he looks as bad on offense as Gooden is on defense. Unless he does turn in to a Theo Ratliff clone, he's never going to be a solid starter in the league. I sure hope that they don't take another flyer this year. More specifically, if they draft Meyers Leonard or some 'toolsy' guy from a small school that has 'rocketed up their board', I'm going Elvis on my TV.

[Baldkin]

Milwaukee Bucks last 10 1st Round Picks:

 

2011 - Tobias Harris (TBD; likely role player at best)

2010 - Larry Sanders (Role player at best)

2009 - Brandon Jennings (Ok PG; probably Top 15 in League, good pick)

2008 - Joe Alexander (Think he works at Burger King now)

2007 - Yi Jianlan (not with team; role player at best)

2006 - No first round pick

2005 - Andrew Bogut (Good Pick)

2004 - No first round pick)

2003 - TJ Ford (Out lof league, back problems)

2002 - Marcus Haislip (Think he works at Hardees now)

 

That is exactly 2 good picks allbeit with no all star appearances out of the last 10 years and virtually all of them were Top 15 picks with 6 being in the top 10. This is why the Bucks have been a middling crappy franchise

 

 

You can't really do this analysis without looking at where they picked and who was picked after them. There were almost NO all-stars drafted after the Bucks picks in any season, aside from Bogut.

 

The reason they've been a middling franchise is that they have only picked in the top 5 3 times in 25 years (Bogut, Allen, Big Dog). Top-5 is where the talent is. It's where all the talent has been drafted in the last 12 years.

[fondybrewfan]

You are probably right there. The Bucks have been far better in the 2nd round than the 1st.

 

It is rather amazing that virtually all stars in the NBA were extremely high draft picks. You would think a later pick would sneak up on some people like always happens in NFL and MLB; but it just doesn't happen in the NBA. Not sure if there is a good explanation for it either.

[RockCoCougars]

It's one thing not to be in position to draft a star, but drafting pure garbage with a 6 pick and an 8 pick in back to back years was a killer. Tons of serviceable to good players went after those guys.

[patrickgpe]

the problem is that Kohl never let Hammond do a full rebuild job. He made the bogut trade this season to make the playoffs which was stupid because there was no way the bucks were going to get out of the first round (in hindsight they may have with Rose going down). they seem to have been picking in the 10-15 range for the last decade. It is obviously much harder to get a player that can contribute than in the top 5.

 

Honestly the 3 picks in the last decade that i hated were Jennings, Yi and Harris. Therefore i can't really complain about the Sanders or Alexander picks since i liked them too on draft day.

 

This draft is going to be very interesting because there will be tons of options at 12. In past years it seemed like there was a drop down right as the bucks made there pick.