Collective Bargaining Agreementâ?¦ Latest: agreement announced (reply #109)

[Invader3K]

I think the 1-game playoff is stupid. After 162 games, to have it decided by a single game (unless you're tied) is just not enough. I'm much more excited by a tight wild card race that goes down to the wire than the race being over far sooner while waiting for a 1-game playoff round.

I think the main thing it accomplishes is giving another team (often a small market one) a shot at the playoffs in each league, while making it a bit tougher for the Wild Card winner to advance (a criticism often brought up).

[endaround]

Which is a stupid criticism since many times the Wild Card team is better than a division winner. And a 1 game playoff is stupid from just a revenue standpoint. Cut the season by 6 games.

[joepepsi]

This makes it more likely a worse team advance farther into the playoffs.

[adamb100]

This makes it more likely a worse team advance farther into the playoffs.

How so? It's going to be harder for the wild cards to make it deep in the playoffs. Wildcard teams will most likely be using there ace pitcher for the 1 game playoff's, so they may not have there best pitching for the divisional series, increasing the chances of them losing there.

[Patrick425]

I'd be slightly more in favor of the one game playoff if they would get rid of the divisions and just have the top 6 teams from each team in the playoffs. I have also always hated the rule that you can't play a team from your own division in the first round of the playoffs.

[Team Canada]

I don't mind it from the sense that it gives added incentive to win your division.

[PrinceEatMeat]

I'm not a big fan of the extra wild card. I just don't think that a team should be eliminated based on 1 game. I like the wild card getting a guaranteed shot at a 5 game series.

[PrinceFielderx1]

I like the set-up. If you don't want it to come down to a 1 game playoff, then you better win the division.

[Patrick425]

I like the set-up. If you don't want it to come down to a 1 game playoff, then you better win the division.

Yes, however, one could argue that some divisions are a bit tougher than others. The American League east is a tougher division to win than say the AL West and often times the wild card team from one division has proven to be a better team over 162 games than the winner of another division. There were a few years back in the late 70's, early 80's that I thought the Brewers were a better team than the winner of the AL West, but yet the Brewers were left on the outside looking in.

[The Truth]

Wasn't sure if I should start a new thread or not, but there's quite a few new rules changes in the CBA. Instant replay on fair or foul calls and catches or traps in the outfield? Expanding rosters to 26 for double-headers?. Changes in the way Arbitration is done...

 

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/134334233.html

[NievesNoNO]

Wasn't sure if I should start a new thread or not, but there's quite a few new rules changes in the CBA. Instant replay on fair or foul calls and catches or traps in the outfield? Expanding rosters to 26 for double-headers?. Changes in the way Arbitration is done...

 

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/134334233.html

Here's the link to the changes over at MLBtraderumors.

 

Interesting stuff. I think I like the draft slotting rules. It was encouraging to read that a world draft is a real possibility in the near future. I don't like the extra draft pick lottery for the small market teams. I also really like the changes to the free agent compensation. No more type A/B; it doesn't matter the player or position. If you offer the player arbitration at the average of the top 125 players (about 12 million this year) and they sign somewhere else you're compensated.

 

Overall, it's encouraging to see changes taking place behind the scenes to keep the game moving forward. It's nice to have the two sides negotiating on things that aren't just how to split up the big pile of money. Yes, in the end it's still about the bottom line but at least they're being creative and have more advanced thoughts on how to get there.

[RightFieldCoder]

Major changes:

Clubs with the 10th lowest revenues and in the 10th smallest markets will be placed into a lottery with a chance at six additional picks after the first round. I'm not sure how this will prevent a team from intentionally slashing payroll certain years to get bonus picks

Teams will be assigned Signing Bonus Pools of $2.9 million for international signings as well, subject to taxes if they are exceeded. I doubt the super rich will care much

The agreement also will eliminate Class A and Class B free agents ...only players who were with a club all season will be subject to compensation...[and the team] offers a one-year contract with a salary equal to the average salary of the 125 highest-paid players from the previous season. The offer must be made by the end of a five-day "quiet" period after the World Series - so renting players cost more now since you don't get compensation picks. Also means poor teams need to trade players before 6th season starts

CBA also will allow for an expansion of instant replay beyond home-run calls to foul-fair calls down the lines as well as trapped balls in the outfield, contingent on agreement with the umpires. - so no rules yet, just that MLB can institute the new rule about traps and fair/foul. I'd like to see how it's implemented before judging on it.

[super 2 status will be]expanded from the top 17% to the top 22%. get rid of the late May call ups

Participation in the All-Star Game will be required

All players will be subject to a policy regarding the use of social media. (Might be called the "Tony Plush Rule.").

[Patrick425]

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Clubs with the 10th lowest revenues and in the 10th smallest markets will be placed into a lottery with a chance at six additional picks after the first round. I'm not sure how this will prevent a team from intentionally slashing payroll certain years to get bonus picks

It compensates clubs with lowest revenues and market size. Size of payroll is not a factor.

[MadScientist]

Does anyone know what the average of the 125 highest paid players was last year?

[Nader Raider Tim]

I know earlier in the week mlbtraderumors was saying that the new Type A money was going to be $11.5 million or something around that.

[jjfanec]

Will this all take place for this coming draft? It says only players who were with a team for a full year will return compensation. Does that mean Type A and B guys who were traded during this year wont return compensation.

 

Will this change what the Brewers will get this coming draft for Prince and others?

[Glennron]

Does anyone know what the average of the 125 highest paid players was last year?

I read ~ $12.4 million on ESPN.

[kramnoj]

Albert Pujols, Prince Fielder, C.J. Wilson, David Ortiz, Jonathan Papelbon, Roy Oswalt, Jose Reyes and Jimmy Rollins were also Type A free agents this offseason. They will cost one draft pick to sign. Their teams will obtain two total picks if they decline offers of arbitration to sign elsewhere, as expected. Takashi Saito and Carlos Beltran, two other Type As, cannot be offered arbitration. Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports first reported the changes.

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors...-type-a-free-agents.html

[paul253]

These draft changes are confusing. It seems like there should be a much simpler way of doing this.

[paul253]

http://www.baseballameric...t/news/2011/2612639.html

 

I don't know if this link has been posted yet, but it's another explanation about the new CBA. I think this one is a little more clear in terms of the changes to the draft and international signings.

[SenatorShriv]

Anyone seen a list of the teams that fall into the 10 smallest markets and revenues?

[nate82]

Anyone seen a list of the teams that fall into the 10 smallest markets and revenues?

The only thing I could find for the smallest revenue is from Forbes from earlier in the year. In the rankings Milwaukee would be tied with Cincinnati but the top 15 teams that will be eliminated are: Yankees, Mets, Dodgers, Angels, Cubs, White Sox, Phillies, Red Sox, Rangers, Braves, Nationals, Blue Jays, Astros, Giants and Athletics. I know the A's will still get revenue sharing until they get a new stadium or move to San Jose. So a process of elimination if you use the Forbes article would mean the Reds, Brewers, Orioles, Indians, Rays, Royals, Padres, Marlins, Diamondbacks, and Rockies would be the 10 lowest in revenue. Now we all know Milwaukee is the smallest market in all of baseball so we have at least one. I think the Rays would come in next followed by the Reds, Indians, Royals, Padres, Diamondbacks, Orioles, Rockies, and the Marlins. Not sure on the Marlins because they could actually be removed from both lists here with the next eligible team being the Tigers.

http://www.forbes.com/lis...-valuations-11_land.html

Revenue ($mil)

Cincinnati Reds

179

Baltimore Orioles

175

Cleveland Indians

168

Toronto Blue Jays

168

Tampa Bay Rays

166

Oakland Athletics

161

Kansas City Royals

160

Pittsburgh Pirates

160

San Diego Padres

159

Florida Marlins

143

[paul253]

So I've got a a few questions. MLB changed the status on several free agents, including KRod, that said the signing team does not have to give up a first round pick BUT the team that loses him gets a pick before the pick of the signing team.

 

First, let's say a team like SF signs Prince Fielder. The Brewers then get SF's first round pick. But what happens if SF also signs one of the other free agents whose class was change (KRod for instance). Since SF does not have a first round pick anymore, would Milwaukee still get the pick before where SF's pick was supposed to be (For instance, let's say SF's pick was #20 but they lose it for signing Fielder. Would the Brewers still get the 19th pick even though SF no longer picks at #20)? Or do they get the pick before whatever SF's first pick is?

 

Next, is there any chance that the Brewers DO NOT get a first round pick if KRod signs elsewhere? Let's say a team in the bottom half of the standings signs KRod. Do the Brewers still get a pick in the first round before that team's pick? Or do the Brewers get a pick before the signing team's second round pick since the signing team would not have lost a first rounder, rather a second rounder, under the old rules? For instance, if Houston signs KRod, would the Brewers get the first overall pick? Or would they get the pick before Houston's second round pick?

 

The question I really want to know, which I guess is more of a comment, I'll wait on until I know the answer to these two questions. Can someone help me out?

[Raw Biz]

If KRod signs elsewhere, the Brewers will get a 1st round pick and a supplemental no matter what.

[paul253]

So doesnt that make him more valuable to us than Prince? Wouldn't it have made sense for MLB to list those six free agents to be listed (Fielder, Reyes, Pjuols, Wilson etc) as the guys whom the teams that lose him get the pick before the signing team? Think about it. We lose KRod to a team in the lower half and we get a first round pick no matter what. We lose Prince to a team in the lower half and we may only get a second round pick even though Prince is a better player. Seems kind of backwards.