Brewers have serious interest in Jose Reyes?

[KCBrewerfan34]

Doubtful Rollins will get 5 years, I would think 4 for $40 might get it done.

 

I would love him at 4 years a 5th would be a stretch, A Rollins & Ramirez packgae would be great, trade Wolf to open up the salary.

[brewmann04]

Why is everyone looking to move Wolf?

[Oldcity]

Trading Wolf would not clear up enough salary for both. Plus then, how do you replace Wolf without making the rotation worse? The Brewers need to go with Gamel and Green at first and third in order to be able to simply fill out the rest of the roster.

[paul253]

Why is everyone looking to move Wolf?

Other than Braun Gallardo and maybe Lucroy I'd move anyone on this team if the price was right. But I think people are so willing to move Wolf because he is getting up there in age, he's expensive and only has a year left on his contract and we have two prospects who look like they may be ready to replace him. Plus he's coming off a really good year, a year that will be hard to repeat, and his value may be as high as it's going to be.

[KCBrewerfan34]

what Paul said regarding Wolf http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif

 

Stevo lets do the math here, the Brewers are waiting on Fielder and apparently would go 5 years for $100 million, they sign Rollins and ARAM for $10 million per, you trade Wolf that adds about $11 million to the payroll, you let McGehee go and you don't re-sign Hairston. That tells me the money definitely makes sense. They also realize a savings of about 4-5 million saving Fielders salary and factoring raises for others.

 

The question obviously would be can the Brewers get those 2 players to sign here. If The Brew could pull this off I would argue they will be as good as last years team.

 

 

Rollins

Hart

Braun

ARAM

Weeks

Gamel

LuCroy

Morgan/Gomez

 

I would go to war with that team any day of the week.

[Oldcity]

Ok, let's work under your hypothetical of trading Wolf and signing both of those guys for 10 mil each. MLBTR has estimations for arby-eligible players. Of course, that isn't perfect, but it's better than nothing for now. With those estimations, they see the Brewers adding $16.4 mil to the already guaranteed $58.58 mil in player contracts next year. So that's already 75 mil.

 

-Non-tendering McGehee, which they absolutely need to do, should save around 3 million bucks--72 mil.

 

-Wolf's salary next year is actually $9.5 million, not 11. I'm skeptical you'd find someone to take him without having to kick in some money, but I'll play along for the sake of this scenario. Now we're down to 62.5 mil.

 

-Add 10 mil for Rollins and 10 mil for Ramirez. 82.5 mil

 

That's $2.5 million below last year's final team payroll, and we haven't even filled a fifth starter, a backup infielder (assuming one is Green), and at least three relievers.

 

This is all before even mentioning that Ramirez and Rollins are aging players who should not be expected to play full seasons, and whose performances should be expected to drop by the end of their four-year deals you propose. Or before mentioning the fact that signing them long term would probably kill a chance at a Greinke extension.

 

The Brewers truly don't have much money to spend. They have enough to fill shortstop, bring back Hairston, and add a couple relievers. They'll make up the value of Fielder with a new shortstop upgrade over Yuni, Green's upgrade over McGehee, and Hairston's upgrade over Counsell.

 

The team would be as good as last year with Gamel at first, Green at third, an upgrade at short, and Hairston at number one utility.

[RightFieldCoder]

We'd also be looking at Greinke, Yo, Marcum, Narveson, and a rookie. Now add another rookie to that rotation when a pitcher misses time due to basketball/dizziness/whatever. We'd turn back to the 09-10 Brewers of scoring runs but not nearly enough.

 

Which do you do first? Trade Wolf or sign ARAM/Rollins? What if you easily sign ARAM but find you can't sign Rollins (he wants to stay on the east coast or whatever)? Who plays SS? What if you sign both and nobody will give you anything higher than a rookie ball 1B for Wolf? What do you do if you trade Wolf first and find you can't sign either ARAM or a compentant SS? There is a lot of risk going in this direction. I'm not saying it isn't possible or not a good idea, but I would be very nervous between the events. Like I was last year between the trading for Marcum (signifying we were keeping Fielder and going for it) and signing Greinke. Luckily it wasn't a long wait, but things could have gone badly in '11 if the Greinke trade hadn't fallen to us.

[RockCoCougars]

I want no part of Rollins at big money. Give an eight figure multi-year contract to a guy who's really only had one great season at the plate and will be playing shortstop at the age of 33 years old at the beginning of the contract? Pass. Let Philly give him the standard 'keep our popular veteran', career achievement-type contract that he almost certainly won't earn.

[DHonks]

just curious, but how does Rollins' defense profile for the next few years? If Barmes is worth about $5 million, Rollins should be worth $7.5-10 million per year assuming he can still field and throw

[PKBadger]

We'd also be looking at Greinke, Yo, Marcum, Narveson, and a rookie. Now add another rookie to that rotation when a pitcher misses time due to basketball/dizziness/whatever. We'd turn back to the 09-10 Brewers of scoring runs but not nearly enough.

There's a significant difference between Wily Peralta/Michael Fiers and Mike Burns.

[Hate those Rodents]

I'm not convinced Fiers/Peralta arent upgrades from 2012's Randy Wolf.

[nate82]

I don't see any team trading for Wolf unless the Brewers take on part of his salary and if you are only getting a low end prospect then that trade is not worth it. Narveson is the pitcher that has the most value for the Brewers in a trade right now. If the Brewers are looking to trade one of their bottom of the rotation starters it would have to be Narveson as he is going to bring in more value for the Brewers and the players replacing him will be at league minimum and will be as good or better than Narveson.

I also don't see any way the Brewers would be able to add both Rollins and Ramirez to the team. You would have to trade Wolf for a AAAA player if you are even lucky to get that without taking on some of Wolf's salary. You would also have to let both Hawkins and Saito go and rely on either injury prone bullpen guys at a smaller cost or use what you have in the minors and what is on the roster. Next you would have to trade McGehee as just letting him go would be a bad decision as you are getting nothing in return for him something is better than nothing and a team or two will gamble on McGehee for a low end prospect. The Phillies come to mind for a team that would be interested in McGehee I seem to keep on coming back to Rizzotti with the Phillies. Rizzotti would be a good back up plan if Gamel struggles. Loe in this scenario would not be offered arbitration so that is another bullpen piece you are going to have to replace. The bullpen is going to be bad in this scenario and overall I believe the team is worse off if the Brewers sign both Ramirez and Rollins not just this year but in the following years until both Ramirez and Rollins deals are done.

I still prefer Reyes and then the 1b being Gonzalez and 1c Betancourt and Hairston.

[KCBrewerfan34]

I think you guys are low on the payroll. I think the Brewers can go 95-100 million if they're "going for it" again.

 

 

GO BREW

[Hate those Rodents]

I agree that there is room to fit both with minimal creative trades. What about trading Wolf for a good utility if that makes 3-4 million as well as a decent prospect?

[markedman5]

Of course you do....but what you or I think makes no difference its what MA thinks that counts.

 

No evidence to suggest that he will go to 100 Million but I guess we can always hope.

 

I think you guys are low on the payroll. I think the Brewers can go 95-100 million if they're "going for it" again.

 

 

 

 

 

GO BREW

[Oldcity]

It was 85 last year. Maybe 90 is realistic, but jumping 10-15 million dollars isn't, really.

[endaround]

Wolf is paid right about his value. He won't bring much if anything back. McGehee has no trade value. Rollins and Ramirez are both old and will hamper any team that signs them in their out years. Ramirez gave up a guaranteed $15m for one year with the Cubs, he'll likely be looking for like 3 years/$ 40m.

[paul253]

It was 85 last year. Maybe 90 is realistic, but jumping 10-15 million dollars isn't, really.

If it is a stretch to suggest that raising the payroll $10 million after the team went to the NLCS and is raising ticket prices again then I am going to be pretty mad.

[Hate those Rodents]

Wolf is paid right about his value. He won't bring much if anything back. McGehee has no trade value.

A double negative isn't the right term for you sentences above, but they just don't really jive. Wolf does have value and would bringsomething back

[YoungGeezy]

Wolf does not have the value some of you believe he does. Really his production is close to that of Narvy however Narvy cost abou 9-10 million less. Wolf has one year left plus an option which in my guess will not be picked up unless they lose both Greinke and Marcum. He is not a guy that teams are dying to deal for. He is a reliable pitcher but Brewers would have to eat just about all the cost and will net a decent utility or a mid-level prospect. Really not worth trying to move him for what we will receive for him.

 

McGehee has little to no value was of right now. No need to try to trade him. Let him compete and try to bounce back. He is under contract for 3 more years at a reasonable price tag so its not do or die to get rid of him. He bounces back, then he has trade value again. If he doesn't well we are just in the same situation as we are right now.

[brettac1]

McGehee has little to no value was of right now. No need to try to trade him. Let him compete and try to bounce back. He is under contract for 3 more years at a reasonable price tag so its not do or die to get rid of him. He bounces back, then he has trade value again. If he doesn't well we are just in the same situation as we are right now.

 

I would prefer that they non-tender him.

[KCBrewerfan34]

If they're not willing to stretch the payroll then why are they waiting on Fielder????

 

He would put right in that range ($95-$100 million)?????

[Oldcity]

They aren't waiting on Fielder. It's lip service.

 

And yeah, they really need to non-tender McGehee.

[RockCoCougars]

No excuse whatsoever that we shouldn't see at least at 10 percent increase in payroll. Three million in attendance, six home playoff games, a new TV deal, tons of new bandwagon fans across the state likely increasing merchandising and advertising revenue, even in a terrible economy. Sorry, I'm not buying the small market mentality anymore. If the Twins can have roughly a $110 million payroll last year, there is no reason whatsoever that the Brewers can't be in the mid to upper 90's. I don't want to hear market size stuff either. The Twin Cities metro is much bigger than the Milwaukee metro, but outstate Wisconsin has much more population density. You can't tell me that Fox Sports North gives the Twins that much extra to televise the games in the Dakotas. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the main advantage that the teams in the big markets have is the media revenue.

[Raw Biz]

No excuse whatsoever that we shouldn't see at least at 10 percent increase in payroll. Three million in attendance, six home playoff games, a new TV deal, tons of new bandwagon fans across the state likely increasing merchandising and advertising revenue, even in a terrible economy. Sorry, I'm not buying the small market mentality anymore. If the Twins can have roughly a $110 million payroll last year, there is no reason whatsoever that the Brewers can't be in the mid to upper 90's. I don't want to hear market size stuff either. The Twin Cities metro is much bigger than the Milwaukee metro, but outstate Wisconsin has much more population density. You can't tell me that Fox Sports North gives the Twins that much extra to televise the games in the Dakotas. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the main advantage that the teams in the big markets have is the media revenue.

It's not that they can't up payroll for next year. They probably could. It's that they can't lock themselves into a $100+ million payroll long-term. They no doubt brought in a lot of extra money this year but chances are, we won't have all those extra playoff games, 3+ million in attendance, new fans, etc. every year to sustain that type of payroll. If they had a chance to sign a guy like Prince, Reyes, etc. at 1 or 2 year deals for $20+ million annually, they would do it. But these guys are asking for at least 4-5 years and the Brewers can't afford that without sacrificing other areas, ultimately making the team worse.