Sopranos (spoilers)

[danzig6767]

I ate my share of shrooms back in the day,but never tried gambling while doing it.Tony caught a break that he didn't lose every penny he had on him.

 

Solid episode,kinda figured that Tony was going to off Chrissy before the show ended.I hope all the air time and buildup with AJ leads to something worthwhile because Robert Iler is a bad actor and his character has rarely been interesting in large doses.

[Fatter than Joey]

Wow. I didn't see that coming. I figured he'd end up looking at the wrong side of the grass sooner or later but but not that way.

 

Agreed, I figured that it would have something different,

 

I hope all the air time and buildup with AJ leads to something worthwhile because Robert Iler is a bad actor and his character has rarely been interesting in large doses.

 

Agreed as well, however, I have always felt that this show is about Tony and his family, and the show needs to address the "full circle" with Tony's son, and I think in a large part the show will end on how Tony deals with his son. I suspect the largest payoff in the next 3 episodes will be about AJ.

[JoeHova]

Every episode so far this year except the premier has included the conclusion of a pretty big character's storyline:

 

Episode 2: Johnny Sack dies

Episode 3: Junior Soprano is resigned to his life in a home

Episode 4: Hesh and Tony fall out over money

Episode 5: JT Dolan is killed by Chrissy

Episode 6: Chrissy is killed by Tony

 

Also, depending on how the final 3 episodes go, episode 1 could have been the last episode that focused on Janice Soprano and/or Bobby Bacala.

 

 

This episode was a great one, imo. I figured after the crash that Tony would take the opportunity to kill Chrissy and he did, but it was still somewhat shocking. AJ's attack of conscience is interesting and I hope it's explored more over the final episodes. After implying inn episode 5 that AJ had found his niche in "collections", episode 6 showed that he perhaps was not as comfortable with violence as he first thought he was.

[RobertR]

One of the best things about The Sopranos is how the dramatic beats and major events defy the conventions of episodic television. It's the anti-24 in that regard, where major events can happen at any time in the episode, not just in the last 5 minutes.

 

While not surprising in the big picture, the way that Tony cold bloodedly took care of Chrissy had plenty of impact.

 

A couple of thoughts.

 

I'm not a big fan of AJ, but the father/son storyline fits in the big picture. How one deals with your family is one of the big themes of the series. Tony doesn't see any way out of his life, but he doesn't have to drag his son down with him.

 

It wouldn't surprise me if the Phil/Tony confrontation never really comes to pass. Phil dropping dead from a massive coronary wouldn't be an out of left field ending. Especially since Tony does plenty to aggravate him.

 

I wonder if the FBI are going to appear again. They're obviously in the deep background, but the FBI agents investigating Tony have been avoided for the most part since Episode 1. They're notable by their absence.

 

Did I hear ducks outside the Sopranos' home while Tony was having breakfast?

 

I wonder if the big finale for the series is simply going to be Tony quitting / Melfi throwing him out of therapy.

 

Robert

[Klements Bratwurst]

What did you guys take from the end of the episode on Sunday with Tony sitting in the desert and seeing that flash of the sun? Kind of like when he was shot last season, when he was in "limbo", he kept seeing that light in the distance that flashed. Plus what was the significance of Tony starring at the "bright white light" in the waiting room or whereever he was ?

 

Didn't he yell, "I get it!!!" at the end of the episode with the flash of the sun? Probably the shrooms....

 

Sometimes I miss the symbolism of things, so I thought I would ask.

 

For a minute, at the end of the episode, I thought I was seeing some sort of "I see dead people" scene from that Bruce Willis movie where he doesn't realize he is dead yet.

 

Tony being in Vegas, kind of wandering around, seemed to remind me again of that "limbo" status he was in while in that coma a season ago.

 

Thoughts?

[homer]

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I wonder if the big finale for the series is simply going to be Tony quitting / Melfi throwing him out of therapy.

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My bold prediction: AJ is going to kill Tony. Son despises what father does, son kills father, son turns into father. It's Shakepeare, baby!

[bullox]

Didn't he yell, "I get it!!!" at the end of the episode with the flash of the sun? Probably the shrooms....

 

I thought he yelled "I did it!" As in, he killed Chris and got that monkey off his back.

[Klements Bratwurst]

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I thought he yelled "I did it!" As in, he killed Chris and got that monkey off his back.

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See that is what I get trying to watch the show while struggling to get me 2 year old from constantly getting out of his bed. Thanks for clarifying this!

[BrewCrewForever]

My bold prediction: AJ is going to kill Tony. Son despises what father does, son kills father, son turns into father. It's Shakepeare, baby!

 

That would awesome and just crazy!

 

Do you think Tony may turn into an addict now because he can win at gambling while hi as a kite with some skank.

[Fatter than Joey]

I thought he yelled "I did it!" As in, he killed Chris and got that monkey off his back.

 

I thought it was "I get it" as well.. That peyote stuff usually gets tied into people going on self-discovery trips.

[jschris]

I'm thinking the same thing as Klements. I wonder if Tony wasn't killed in the car wreck.

 

He mentioned never trying the shrooms before because he always had responsibilities. And now he doesn't? After vomiting, he looked up and was fixated on the light in the bathroom--just like the airport beacon he saw in limbo. Then the desert scene--again, staring at the light. I even wonder if this Christopher ex he hooked up with is some sort of symbol of Adrianna, who Tony obviously liked. I'm probably looking way too deeply for clues, though.

 

Oh, I think he said "I get it", too, but I could be wrong.

[BrewCrewForever]

jschris, that does actually make some sense. You could be on to something.

[Klements Bratwurst]

Glad to know that someone else thought the same thing too. As I stated above, It just reminded me of that last season after Tony got shot.

 

That flashing light in the desert at the end of the last episode was odd.

 

But then when they showed the previews for next week, there was Tony fighting with Phil Leotardo again.

[Roscoe Chill]

Pretty intense episode last night.

 

Is anyone in agreement with me when I say I wish it was Butch, the little lazy-eyed big mouth who was the one bothering Meadow? I seriously cannot wait until that guy goes down, and have no doubt that he will in the next two weeks.

 

Any other thoughts/predictions?

[jschris]

Yeah, I guess my theory is out the window now. The next two episodes can go in any number of directions. Does anyone think it will be sort of left open just enough so a future movie could be made to tie up loose ends?

 

How about something way out there? Tony works with the Feds to bring down Phil, getting his family away from the life now that Tony "gets it". Like somebody on some message board said--what do Sopranos do? They sing.

 

Solid episode last night. Glad to see the pace pick up a little.

[PKBadger]

I'm curious to find out what (if anything) happens with those Arabs. No clue where that is leading.

[iluvlamp]

It was intense. Tony reaction and how he just left the room after talking to Meadow was priceless. I was surprised he only did what he did and didn't kill him. I found it odd that Phil acted the way he did. Avoiding confrontation but still yelling at him through his bedroom window.

 

As for predictions, I am always wrong so I will just enjoy the ride. I do think they will leave everything relatively open at the end though because I believe they will make at least one movie.

[JoeHova]

That was yet another excellent episode. They are really going out on some high notes. The guy who plays AJ may not be that good of an actor, but I actually think he is good for the role.

 

I liked the scene where all the other guys tried to console Tony by mentioning their kids problems.

 

I also like how Melfi's douchebag psychiatrist basically told her that she was ennabling Tony's antisocial behavior. I really have no idea why she would keep going to him, he's such a dick. I love it.

[BrewCrewForever]

Great episode. I have a feeling Phil is going to try to have Tony whacked and an all out war is going to insue. Should be intense.

 

Man that was crazy when Tony "curbed" coco, that made my jaw and whole head hurt thinking about it.

[MKE alz]

The episode was meh, an AJ suicide attempt went about how I expected it. just before he threw the brick in the water I actually said outloud "You don't have the balls".

 

As for how Phil acted at the end. To me it seemed clear that Phill probably JUST found out about something that Tony didn't know about. Some information that made him not want to meet with Tony. Perhaps something happened at the camp that Tony sent little Vito to, maybe one of his guys is feeding phil "inside" information, who knows. I'm betting we find out early in the next episode what that was.

 

I'm pretty convinced that 2 episodes is not enough for any kind of overall statisfaction for me. I like the prospect of allout mob war between jersey and ny, but 2 episodes isn't nearly enough to do it right.

 

In fact I can't think of an ending that I'd like that can be done in two episodes. the most likely endings are "Tony dies", "Tony goes to jail", and "Tony goes in Witness Relocation" but I want to see the fallout of all of them...the power grab. and we're not going to.

 

The closer we get to the end the more I fear ending with "The status quo" which I think would be a really terrible way to end.

[colbyjack]

I wanted to make sure to bump this thread, since it has been two weeks since the last episode.

 

After tonight's show I felt like I had to watch my own back. This is the one that I think most people have been waiting for.

 

I still think the series ends like it started, with Tony on top. Without a doubt, there's a lot of killing left to be done, but I just don't feel Tony is going to be one of them, unless they try to tie back to his whole dream sequence from his coma.

 

The guys that met their end tonight are the ones that were sloppy. Tony has never been sloppy, which I think will help him survive, which he has always done. I just get the sense that most people expect that he will die.

 

I do wonder if the FBI gets substantially involved in the last episode. They have been lingering, yet not overly actively involved, and they are the ones that tipped Tony on him being a target of the NY mob. If they have that kind of info, you wonder if that is going to turn into something more, and don't forget, Tony does have a get out of jail free card of sorts that he can play.

 

While I have been critical of the show since I started watching it, it has never fallen short for its pure entertainment value.

[iluvlamp]

I always wonder where Tony's guys are. He does have his close knit guys as in the last scene. I do feel that they will find out where Phil is and dispose of him. This is war. The FBI was very generous to Tony and I think that it is reciprocation for the terrorist link he gave up. I also loved the trains falling of the tracks when Bobby was killed. That is great writing because the whole family has the same feeling. Chase is one of a kind.

[gypcasino]

After tonight's show I felt like I had to watch my own back. This is the one that I think most people have been waiting for.

 

I agree. I'll read discussions about the show on other forums where people will say that they're going to immediately watch the episode again and I always wonder why. Once is always enough for me. But this one I'm definitely watching again. I rewound the DVR a bunch of times to rewatch certain scenes. And how about the preview for next week? It didn't give us a whole lot of hints about what's to come.

[colbyjack]

I think it did give one hint in that Tony survives the night. All Tony has done is survived, and even as Phil said in tonight's episode, he's never gone to jail either.

 

Although I would argue the preview's never really give much of a hint of what's to come. They're made to be a tease. Remember when everyone thought Paulie was as good as gone a few weeks ago because of the previews?

 

BTW, speaking of Paulie, I found his converation with Bobby and Sil to be very interesting in which he asked if Tony was aware of the situation that he was put in charge of. A lot has been made of Paulie's history of being a tough guy, and despite his talking and his converations with Johnny Sac, he has always been loyal to Tony, and he too has survived through quite a few tough situations.

 

Bobby and Sil were never really involved (at least on the show) in much adversity in which they had to use their experience and wits to survive (not that Paulie is particularly witty http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif ).

[PeaveyFury]

I have a very odd feeling that AJ plays a huge role in the final episode. Something like either saving his dad, or being the one that does him in (after he escapes from Phil's goons) or something like that.

 

Great episode last night. I was sitting there wondering if anyone was safe.