Narv to bullpen, Marco in rotation?

[bcvilly24]

It might be good do get narv firmilier w a bullpen role because in the postseason he will not be starting. We could give Estrada a couple more starts and re-evaluate from there. It can't hurt...thoughts?

[Thurston Fluff]

It can hurt. We haven't won the division and Narveson is the more accomplished pitcher. He's already worked in the pen so i don't know what he's going to learn now that he didn't when he was doing it then. It could also hurt as much as help. Messing with something that is working is playing with fire.

[TheCrew]

With the lead and as well as Estrada is pitching, I'd take my time with Narvy - I'd also maybe use Estrada over the last few weeks in some spot starts to give guys an extra days rest.

[monty57]

Didn't Narveson stink in the bullpen last year and pitch much better as a starter? As TheCrew said, no reason to rush him back, but I'd definitely keep him starting when he returns. Estrada has pitched well, but so has Narvy, and he can go more than five innings.

[brwrsfan]

Narveson was NOT good when he was in the pen before. He struggled a great deal and only improved when he came back into the rotation. He needs to be starting. Plus, I really don't think Estrada is all that good of a pitcher unless he's just that much better as a starter. He had give up a run in 5 of 7 outings before these two starts.

[paul253]

I don't think either is very good as a reliever. Do we control Estrada next year? He may be a good candidate to be traded to a team in desperate need of pitching. With Rogers as a possible long man and Peralta likely the first choice for a replacement starter if needed, I don't see the need to keep Estrada if you can get something for him.

[StearnsFTW]

I don't think either is very good as a reliever. Do we control Estrada next year? He may be a good candidate to be traded to a team in desperate need of pitching. With Rogers as a possible long man and Peralta likely the first choice for a replacement starter if needed, I don't see the need to keep Estrada if you can get something for him.

I agree with everything but the Rogers bit. There's no reason to believe Mark Rogers will ever be healthy enough to pitch for the Brewers.

[Raw Biz]

I don't think either is very good as a reliever. Do we control Estrada next year? He may be a good candidate to be traded to a team in desperate need of pitching. With Rogers as a possible long man and Peralta likely the first choice for a replacement starter if needed, I don't see the need to keep Estrada if you can get something for him.

I agree with everything but the Rogers bit. There's no reason to believe Mark Rogers will ever be healthy enough to pitch for the Brewers.

Well supposedly he will be at 100% well before Spring Training since he's having the surgery now. Whether he can remain at 100% is another question.

[rluzinski]

Narveson has only faced 208 batters as a reliever. That is simply not enough data to conclude that he's basically a freak of nature and pitches better as a starter than reliever. The average pitcher preforms MUCH better as a reliever for obvious reasons.

[SoCal Brew Crew Fan]

I'd want to secure the division first, but transitioning Narv to a LOOGY role for the postseason earlier could make some sense. Keep Estrada stretched out as the long man by making a few starts at year end could help too. They will have some flexibility with the Sept call ups not to burn the pen. I wouldn't go there now, but maybe with 2 weeks left in the season it could work.

[StearnsFTW]

I don't think either is very good as a reliever. Do we control Estrada next year? He may be a good candidate to be traded to a team in desperate need of pitching. With Rogers as a possible long man and Peralta likely the first choice for a replacement starter if needed, I don't see the need to keep Estrada if you can get something for him.

I agree with everything but the Rogers bit. There's no reason to believe Mark Rogers will ever be healthy enough to pitch for the Brewers.

Well supposedly he will be at 100% well before Spring Training since he's having the surgery now. Whether he can remain at 100% is another question.

I know. Then it'll be something else. He'll never pitch 50 innings for the Brewers IMO.

 

Of course I'm the same guy who said Nelson Cruz would never hit 50 HR in his major league career, so take it for what it's worth.

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[Roderick]

I do like the idea of getting Estrada starts after we have it all locked up and getting the main 4 guys an extra couple of days rest.

[JohnBriggs12]

I do like the idea of getting Estrada starts after we have it all locked up and getting the main 4 guys an extra couple of days rest.

My preference would be to give those starts to guys who will not be on the playoff roster, in particular Peralta and De la Cruz.

 

Narveson has made 55 starts in a Brewer uniform. That's enough to have pretty safe assurance he won't be exposed. He's still a year away from arbitration. Pre-arby guys, that are at least adequate bottom rotation guys have a lot of value on a team. We have a pretty good idea Narveson can fill a 4-5 role in a rotation for a full season. The same can't be said for Estrada. Until a guy does it, you don't know if the league will catch up to him.

 

Left handed bullpen specialists generally rely on sliders as out pitches. Narveson's slider is probably his 4th best pitch. He's just better suited to start as he needs to have a good feel for his changeup and good fastball command to be successful. That requires innings that he's not going to get in the bullpen. He needs to keep getting innings heading into the playoffs so if he's called upon he has a better chance of being sharp.

 

Estrada, Peralta, De la Cruz, are all guys that could allow the Brewers to deal a Wolf if they needed to save some cash.

[monty57]

I'd just stick with what got us here. There could be injuries, people could get thrown off schedule and so on. Narveson's better than Estrada, so why mess with what's working?

[Roderick]

I do like the idea of getting Estrada starts after we have it all locked up and getting the main 4 guys an extra couple of days rest.

My preference would be to give those starts to guys who will not be on the playoff roster, in particular Peralta and De la Cruz.

If Estrada, DLC, Narveson or Dillard is even in a 9 inning playoff game, that means we are way behind anyways - so who cares who is pitching?

[ilovebeer]

Per jsonline, Narv will come off the dl monday and start on of the games.

[razzzorsharp]

I would assume the latter as then Frankie can pitch long relief on the first one if needed.

[YoungGeezy]

For Peralta, I can deal with (actually would love but doubt will happen) but for Estrada nooooooo. Guy is not that good.