Mat Gamel to White Sox?

[Invader3K]

I really don't get why people would want Dunn....... what the heck would you do with him the rest of this season.

Use him as a pinch hitter or a replacement for Prince in blowout games, and that's probably about it.

[patrickgpe]

i think its shortsided to trade away next season's first base man for a fill in for weeks. I guess if you get alexi, he is your SS next season and you figure out 1st base in the off season. Thorton and Rios would be horrible.

 

that being said he doesn't appear to be a whack job just throwing out rumors like people do on twitter. Still don't give much credence to this.

[PilprinBuddha]

if we could get Beckham for Gamel.....I'd do it. I see Gamel as Billy Jo Robideaux....a very good AAAA player.

[Invader3K]

that being said he doesn't appear to be a whack job just throwing out rumors like people do on twitter. Still don't give much credence to this.

Yeah, I don't get the sense he's just making stuff up to get a rise out of people. If he was, why would he pick a relatively obscure prospect like Mat Gamel?

There's always the possibility this is something the Brewers and White Sox had discussed but never got off the ground. We should see soon enough whether or not this plays out.

[GoudaBrew]

I'm sure the rumor is legit, but it makes me wonder how many of these situations there are at any given moment. I mean:

the only things slowing down the trade is prospects with Gamel matched with salary owed on Rios's contract

Sounds like not one, but two HUGE hurdles need to be crossed before a deal is agreed upon to me. DM could have half a dozen deals as close to being completed at this during this time of year and most of them fizzle out when negotiations get to a critical point.

[Invader3K]

That's a great point. I'm sure every year there are plenty of "serious" negotiations that fizzle out when they reach a critical juncture, and we never hear about them at all.

[Invader3K]

Nothing new on this posted from @MrFantasyExpert in past couple days, so I'm guessing these talks might be dead if they were ever real to begin with.

[PrinceEatMeat]

Doubt this trade has any chance of happening now that we got Hairston. Not saying it did to begin with, but I'm sure it's dead now. Hairston is the new CF platoon option, and Melvin will likely get a LH reliever in a waiver deal in August when they'll come cheaper.

[RockCoCougars]

if we could get Beckham for Gamel.....I'd do it. I see Gamel as Billy Jo Robideaux....a very good AAAA player.

That may be the case, but at least Robidoux got a chance to play every day at the big league level for a stretch. Gamel was Machaed. Since we are talking about mid-80's phenoms, I think Beckham smacks a lot of Gregg Jefferies. They both had tons of hype, that's for sure. All that said, would I make the trade? Of course, but the Sox will want a lot more than Gamel.

[Funketown]

This rumor is...

 

http://www.coldtoast.com/images/toastSliceWhiteBkgd.jpg

[jmeks23]

Yeah, that guy has moonwalked out of those rumors. There's a reason in the hottest rumor time of the year he backed out and hasn't said a word in 3 days.

[markedman5]

Yep...that guy was full of it

 

http://twitter.com/AdamMc...atuses/97690216759959553

[HiAndTight]

Beckham has regressed the past few years. He's young-ish, but I don't think he's going to match the hype. He's really only been a tad better than McGehee this year, and I don't think that the difference is worth the haul that the White Sox would likely want for him.

How often do you watch Beckham play? The talent is still absolutely there.

 

I think you tend to look at stat lines and little else. Beckham still has star written all over him. He was rushed to the big leagues, but he has great bat speed, and he has a tenacity to him, ala, Rickie Weeks. Just a hard nosed guy.

 

I love Beckham and believe he can be a .300/.375/.500 type player. And he's still what, 25 years old?

I'd take Beckham everyday over Ramirez.

Wow.

 

I don't know what you've seen in Beckham that I haven't, but I completely disagree. Ramirez is a plus plus defender (at shortstop no less) and a better hitter.

 

I agree with you on most stuff, but Ramirez is a much more valuable player than Beckham.

If all you're going off of are past results, there is very little need for most people in baseball.

[HiAndTight]

I really don't get why people would want Dunn....... what the heck would you do with him the rest of this season.

Lower the price of Beckham/.Ramirez? Has that not been made clear?

 

And after doing that you can at least hope he can become the player he was in the past.

[TheCrew]

No, it wasn't clear because it still doesn't make sense. Brewers are a small market team, they can't take on a $56 million dollar contract and have the guy be nothing more than a pinch hitter for roughly 12.5% of the contract (1/2 of 1 season). The guy would have negative value to this team in 2011....... major negative value considering he would have zero defensive value to this team since Prince never leaves the diamond, and on that note - he sure as heck isn't going to get out of his hitting slump when he gets 1 at bat a night (at most).

 

Adam Dunn is on his way to one of the worst offensive seasons in the history of baseball. Think about that for a minute.

 

Furthermore, adding in that contract along with Ramirez's contract would make it much harder to sign Marcum and/or Greinke to an extension.

 

Sure, the move makes sense if your only concern is making sure we have a power hitting 1B next year - even then it comes with some pretty big risk because your counting on a player on the wrong side of 30 to bounce back. Usually a bet that a small market team is better off avoiding. That said, in terms of trying to win a world series in 2011...... it makes little to no sense.

[StearnsFTW]

How often do you watch Beckham play? The talent is still absolutely there.

 

I think you tend to look at stat lines and little else. Beckham still has star written all over him. He was rushed to the big leagues, but he has great bat speed, and he has a tenacity to him, ala, Rickie Weeks. Just a hard nosed guy.

 

I love Beckham and believe he can be a .300/.375/.500 type player. And he's still what, 25 years old?

I'd take Beckham everyday over Ramirez.

Wow.

 

I don't know what you've seen in Beckham that I haven't, but I completely disagree. Ramirez is a plus plus defender (at shortstop no less) and a better hitter.

 

I agree with you on most stuff, but Ramirez is a much more valuable player than Beckham.

If all you're going off of are past results, there is very little need for most people in baseball.

I honestly don't know what this means.

 

This discussion is moot anyways, I guess.

[HiAndTight]

No, it wasn't clear because it still doesn't make sense. Brewers are a small market team, they can't take on a $56 million dollar contract and have the guy be nothing more than a pinch hitter for roughly 12.5% of the contract (1/2 of 1 season). The guy would have negative value to this team in 2011....... major negative value considering he would have zero defensive value to this team since Prince never leaves the diamond, and on that note - he sure as heck isn't going to get out of his hitting slump when he gets 1 at bat a night (at most).

 

Adam Dunn is on his way to one of the worst offensive seasons in the history of baseball. Think about that for a minute.

 

Furthermore, adding in that contract along with Ramirez's contract would make it much harder to sign Marcum and/or Greinke to an extension.

 

Sure, the move makes sense if your only concern is making sure we have a power hitting 1B next year - even then it comes with some pretty big risk because your counting on a player on the wrong side of 30 to bounce back. Usually a bet that a small market team is better off avoiding. That said, in terms of trying to win a world series in 2011...... it makes little to no sense.

It's as you've missed every single point I made and just went on your own rant to reiterate the points you've already made.

 

First of all, if we want to get a little more specific, not sure how the math comes out that we're 1/2 way through this season. We're closer to a 3rd of the way though it.

 

 

And AGAIN the biggest benefit to gettting Dunn is to get Ramirez OR Bekcham much cheaper, ie, Dunn is NOT the integral pieces, he's the means to the end(ie, one of the two stud SS who are young and cost controlled). Aside from THAT which you made the main point, there is ALSO the hope that he could return to the player he's always been. And the 56 million also means absolutely nothing at this point as your 2/3rds through one season and the Sox would be taking SOME money back in this scenario, so you're really trying to exaggerate at every turn to make it sound as bad as possible.

 

 

So...in terms of winning the 2011 world series, putting a player like Alexei Ramirez or Gordon Beckham goes a whole long way to helping.

[TheCrew]

Ummm....... so you want to take Dunn and his contract to get Ramirez and Beckham cheaper, but then you want the sox to kick in a portion of Dunn's contract?!?!? What incentive would the Sox have for trading 2 young talented players at that point? Heck, why not just make it a 3 way and call the phillies and have them throw halladay and lee in.

[HiAndTight]

Ummm....... so you want to take Dunn and his contract to get Ramirez and Beckham cheaper, but then you want the sox to kick in a portion of Dunn's contract?!?!? What incentive would the Sox have for trading 2 young talented players at that point? Heck, why not just make it a 3 way and call the phillies and have them throw halladay and lee in.

You DO understand what the word OR means? It generally means one OR the other, not both.

 

As in taking on some of Dunn contract would make it CHEAPER to get Beckham or Ramirez in terms of prospects. See?

 

 

So when I repeatedly say Ramirez OR Beckham and then talking about taking back a chunk of Dunn's contract could make them easier to acquire, ie CHEAPER, you're really obnoxious mocking in which you totally miss the point about as badly as it can possibly be missed...doesn't really hit it's mark. Try harder, come back with a better insult, and THEN we can play along.

[TheCrew]

Yup, I missed the word OR in your latest post. Your trade still makes zero sense from either side.

 

Also, fwiw, your the one that came back like an ass and said "has that not been made clear" on the last page. Clearly you are defensive about someone not agreeing with your proposed trade. Which, since we are done being nice, is probably one of the worst trade ideas I've ever seen proposed. It benefits neither team and would have hampered the Brewers this season and the next 3 seasons with Dunn.

 

All I said is I don't get why people would want Dunn. That's it, you got your panties in a bunch then.

 

I'm done arguing about trades that would only be plausible in MLB the show.

[stoutdude04]

Im assuming that taking Dunn would put him at 1b next year as he is typically a OBP and SLUG machine. Just guessing thats why people would like Dunn.

 

(Thats what I'm assuming he was mentioning at least.)

[RockCoCougars]

In lieu of the Brewers having a Suppan-esque stiff (thankfully) to send to the South side, I see no way the Dunn deal could happen. I'd require at least half of his salary going forward, and there's pretty much no way that the White Sox would bail this soon into his contract. I'm also not a fan of taking an albatross-type contract to get a 'good' player to sweeten the pot. At any rate, I'm holding out hope that the 1% chance Prince resigns gets bumped up to maybe 10% if the club makes the World Series, so I'd refrain from frying next year's payroll- just in case.

[JJHardy7]

So confused after the last few posts...why would we want to take on Dunn's contract? I don't get that. The White Sox would be thrilled to trade him w/o picking up the money. I don't think too many teams in baseball would do that at all.

 

Trading for Dunn and paying him...we might as well go back to the early 2000s again. Dunn has no value unless the Sox pick up all of his contract. His defense is pretty terrible as well. I know this forum hates Yuni...Dunn this year would make the forum crash...

[Schlitz001]

So confused after the last few posts...why would we want to take on Dunn's contract? I don't get that. The White Sox would be thrilled to trade him w/o picking up the money. I don't think too many teams in baseball would do that at all.

 

Trading for Dunn and paying him...we might as well go back to the early 2000s again. Dunn has no value unless the Sox pick up all of his contract. His defense is pretty terrible as well. I know this forum hates Yuni...Dunn this year would make the forum crash...

This is an understatement. I'd rather employ a plastic bag at first base than take Adam Dunn. I'm sure he'll have a halfway decent rebound year offensively next year, but he's not worth a backup Rookie ball catcher for the money he's owed and the hole he'll put at first base. We have Mat Gamel ready to go at first base, not to mention the FA 1st basemen that will be available next year. I don't think the Brewers will trade Gamel and if they do it will be for some pitching help.

[StearnsFTW]

So confused after the last few posts...why would we want to take on Dunn's contract? I don't get that. The White Sox would be thrilled to trade him w/o picking up the money. I don't think too many teams in baseball would do that at all.

 

Trading for Dunn and paying him...we might as well go back to the early 2000s again. Dunn has no value unless the Sox pick up all of his contract. His defense is pretty terrible as well. I know this forum hates Yuni...Dunn this year would make the forum crash...

I'm assuming we already know this is true. I'd be surprised if the White Sox hadn't already put him on waivers this month.

 

It is absolutely amazing to me how bad Dunn has been this year. I thought he'd have a terrific year in that bandbox. Shows what I know.