Mat Gamel to White Sox?

[FoxyFoxes]

Which is why I'd much rather have Ramirez even if he comes more expensively. Ramirez/Rios/Thornton/Danks for Narveson/Gamel/Heckathorn/lots of Cash.

[NievesNoNO]

Which is why I'd much rather have Ramirez even if he comes more expensively. Ramirez/Rios/Thornton/Danks for Narveson/Gamel/Heckathorn/lots of Cash.

I just don't see the Sox selling on all those guys together. Each one alone could bring back some nice pieces. If Danks were available he'd be the best pitcher out there behind Ubaldo and command probably 2 of Narveson/Gamel/Heckathorn. I don't think you'd even touch Ramirez alone with those three. I get maybe wanting to unload the Rios contract, but not to the extent of just throwing in guys that could bring back substantial returns.

[TheCrew]

If we did get Beckham, why would we worry about playing him at SS when the bigger need is at 3rd and he's already played there?

[RockCoCougars]

Beckham has regressed the past few years. He's young-ish, but I don't think he's going to match the hype. He's really only been a tad better than McGehee this year, and I don't think that the difference is worth the haul that the White Sox would likely want for him.

[PrinceEatMeat]

If we did get Beckham, why would we worry about playing him at SS when the bigger need is at 3rd and he's already played there?

Exactly.

[RockCoCougars]

Beckham was bad defensively at 3rd. That's why he's playing second now.

[lbb020]

Dude that started this rumor is going at it again......http://twitter.com/#!/mrfantasyexpert

[Warning Track Power]

Yeaaaaaaaaaaaah....grain of salt.

 

This may happen but it sure does seem like we have bigger fish to fry now that Rickie is hurt. If Rios is involved I would hold steady for Beckham or Alexei and if they don't want to deal either of them then I don't see a fit.

[PrinceEatMeat]

I have a hard time believing that Melvin is worrying about a trade like this with the injury to Weeks and his search for infield help going on. If I were him, there's no way I'd do it unless I could get Beckham or someone else like Ramirez into the trade. Although I guess it depends mostly on the money issues involved. I have a hard time believing we'd need to add prospects to get another piece. Probably would just have to take on more salary and that would do it. I also have a hard time believing this guy would make up a random trade like this for no reason, so it's definitely possible.

[jwill535]

If he is nothing else, he is persistent. He has put a lot of effort in to this for it to be a joke. He must have really heard something that he believes. Now whether his source is correct, remains to be seen.

[PrinceEatMeat]

If he is nothing else, he is persistent. He has put a lot of effort in to this for it to be a joke. He must have really heard something that he believes. Now whether his source is correct, remains to be seen.

Yeah I'd agree with that. If anything the source is wrong.

[Warning Track Power]

I just don't believe that we will take on Rios just to acquire a LRP like Thornton. Certainly there is another LRP out there that doesn't require us to take on any salary such as Rios. If we are taking on a salary like Rios, even at a reduced cost, it most certainly would involve a larger hole like SS than LRP.

[PrinceEatMeat]

There is a SS prospect that we would be getting in the trade also. Not really an option for this year, but possibly in the future.

[HiAndTight]

I will get blasted for this, but what about taking on Adam Dunn's contract and really getting a ton from CWS in doing so? He sure was good for the Nats and in the NL in general. He could be our 1B after Prince leaves. And we can maybe do a Gamel straight up for one of Ramirez/Beckham IF we take on Dunn's deal.

 

Thoughts?

I know I'm late to the party, but I'd be ALL for this.

 

Dunn+Beckham+Thorton for Gamel+Heckathorn and the White Sox still throwing in 10 million total.

 

I think Dunn goes back to being a .245/.375 type hitter who hits 35 again next year.

 

Beckham WILL be our SS for the next decade(if we re-sign him) and will be a multiple time All Star IMO. Just got called up too early, and a change may be a huge benefit to him.

Thorton is a guy who throws 96 and can blow you away. AND he's our 7th inning guy/loogy?

 

Dunn serves as a bench guy/backup corner OF'er this year and our 1st basemen next year.

[HiAndTight]

Beckham has regressed the past few years. He's young-ish, but I don't think he's going to match the hype. He's really only been a tad better than McGehee this year, and I don't think that the difference is worth the haul that the White Sox would likely want for him.

How often do you watch Beckham play? The talent is still absolutely there.

 

I think you tend to look at stat lines and little else. Beckham still has star written all over him. He was rushed to the big leagues, but he has great bat speed, and he has a tenacity to him, ala, Rickie Weeks. Just a hard nosed guy.

 

I love Beckham and believe he can be a .300/.375/.500 type player. And he's still what, 25 years old?

 

 

I'd take Beckham everyday over Ramirez.

[Bnowell4evr]

I just don't believe that we will take on Rios just to acquire a LRP like Thornton. Certainly there is another LRP out there that doesn't require us to take on any salary such as Rios. If we are taking on a salary like Rios, even at a reduced cost, it most certainly would involve a larger hole like SS than LRP.

If this trade went down I'd have to assume its because Rios was "Bill Halled" and the White Sox are paying almost all of his salary for him to leave.

[Warning Track Power]

Dunn+Beckham+Thorton for Gamel+Heckathorn and the White Sox still throwing in 10 million total.

I would do this deal. Don't know if the White Sox would but it's mandatory that Beckham or Ramirez are in any deal that includes Dunn or Rios and their salary. I don't care either way what the combo is (Beckham/Rios, Beckham/Dunn, Ramirez/Rios, Ramirez/Dunn) but that's the only way I do it.

[jmeks23]

I personally don't discredit the guy, because Jim Breen (granted, he is a blogger and more privy to knowledge) broke the Greinke trade with an unknown source. Then others chimed in and it eventually was completed.

 

HOWEVER, this trade seems to make littler sense. We get a LHP in the bullpen sure, and perhaps Rios could be a backup OF but why take on all his salary? Apparently we would get Escobar as well in the deal, which certainly sweetens it considering he's a SS, but he's still probably not MLB ready.

 

I don't know, as others have said it certainly could happen (stranger things have) but it just doesn't seem likely.

[HiAndTight]

Dunn+Beckham+Thorton for Gamel+Heckathorn and the White Sox still throwing in 10 million total.

I would do this deal. Don't know if the White Sox would but it's mandatory that Beckham or Ramirez are in any deal that includes Dunn or Rios and their salary. I don't care either way what the combo is (Beckham/Rios, Beckham/Dunn, Ramirez/Rios, Ramirez/Dunn) but that's the only way I do it.

Right, as I could see either player being worth 10 million a year over the life of their contracts(each year). More likely, they'll be burdensome contracts, but with the addition of Beckham or Ramirez, I think it'd make it WELL worth it.

 

 

Really, Dunn and Beckham are the two I'd target. I'd suck still having to deal with a terrible 1st basemen defensively, but Dunn's still a big time offensive threat, and I truly believe Beckham has star ability.

[HiAndTight]

Beckham was bad defensively at 3rd. That's why he's playing second now.

I don't believe that was the reason he was moved whatsoever. He graded out at neutral according to fangraphs, it was his first year at 3rd base, they didn't have a 2nd basemen, and their top prospect was coming up at 3rd.

 

Unless you have some link where they say that's the reason they moved him, I'm inclined to believe it was the most obvious reasons in falling in line with their plans all along.

[RockCoCougars]

Beckham has regressed the past few years. He's young-ish, but I don't think he's going to match the hype. He's really only been a tad better than McGehee this year, and I don't think that the difference is worth the haul that the White Sox would likely want for him.

How often do you watch Beckham play? The talent is still absolutely there.

 

I think you tend to look at stat lines and little else. Beckham still has star written all over him. He was rushed to the big leagues, but he has great bat speed, and he has a tenacity to him, ala, Rickie Weeks. Just a hard nosed guy.

 

I love Beckham and believe he can be a .300/.375/.500 type player. And he's still what, 25 years old?

 

 

I'd take Beckham everyday over Ramirez.

Actually, I'm just the opposite. I rely more on the sniff test than stats. I will admit that I haven't watched Beckham play extensively, but when I do watch White Sox games, I haven't been impressed with Beckham. Yes, I know that he was great in college, so were a lot of guys. Players with better skill sets have failed. I'm sure he will have a few decent seasons, but why would the Brewers give up a lot for him- especially considering he's playing second now? Heck, maybe I'm wrong, and he'll blossom like Weeks has. The career paths are pretty similar thus far. When Weeks was in his third season, a lot of folks wanted to run him out of town. In Chicago ( at least based on the internet pundits and radio talk shows) they still overvalue Beckham. I don't think he's lived up to the hype, and there's been lots of it.

[Team Canada]

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/126287858.html

 

From TH: I also asked Melvin about trade rumors going around about a deal with the White Sox and he said he hasn't talked to Chicago GM Kenny Williams.

Huge grain of salt. As I said earlier, this makes it more likely IMO.

Also, note that Doug said he hasn't talked to Kenny. That doesn't mean he hasn't talked to others, or Gord hasn't talked to Kenny, or whatever.

Still, it'd be sad to not see a Gamel/Weeks/SS/Green infield next year..

 

[StearnsFTW]

Beckham has regressed the past few years. He's young-ish, but I don't think he's going to match the hype. He's really only been a tad better than McGehee this year, and I don't think that the difference is worth the haul that the White Sox would likely want for him.

How often do you watch Beckham play? The talent is still absolutely there.

 

I think you tend to look at stat lines and little else. Beckham still has star written all over him. He was rushed to the big leagues, but he has great bat speed, and he has a tenacity to him, ala, Rickie Weeks. Just a hard nosed guy.

 

I love Beckham and believe he can be a .300/.375/.500 type player. And he's still what, 25 years old?

I'd take Beckham everyday over Ramirez.

Wow.

 

I don't know what you've seen in Beckham that I haven't, but I completely disagree. Ramirez is a plus plus defender (at shortstop no less) and a better hitter.

 

I agree with you on most stuff, but Ramirez is a much more valuable player than Beckham.

[brewtank34]

Yeah, but ARam is a Cub. Yar!!

[TheCrew]

I really don't get why people would want Dunn....... what the heck would you do with him the rest of this season.