Mat Gamel to White Sox?

[PrinceEatMeat]

I'm sure they have a backup plan at 1B if Gamel isn't around. Either through free agency or trade in the offseason.

[TheCrew]

Well, I wonder how much Rickie's injury impacts this potential deal. It's funny because I was going to start a thread about Rios on here - I would love seeing him in CF, I still think he has a ton of upside.

 

Wouldn't mind seeing an outfield of Braun/Hart/Rios/Morgan for the next few seasons either. Granted, SS and 3B are bigger needs..... there isn't much out there and you have to upgrade where you can. Have to remember this move improves the bench by default as well.

 

Really it depends on how much money would be eaten by the sox and whose all involved before you can really evaluate this deal and as long as it doesn't impact resigning marcum/greinke and hamper the team in that area, I'm all for it.

[TwinsBrewersWorldSeries]

If Melvin makes this trade, he deserves to be fired. Worst SS/3B in baseball, and we're looking for OF help? Why on earth would we do this?

[TheCrew]

What SS/3B help is out there and how do you know he isn't actively shopping for that help in addition to making this move?

[brewmann04]

Hey Luis Cruz how is Japan?

[Never Outhustled]

Honestly, I'm more than ready to give up on Gamel. No work ethic and he would need a platoon. He also plays over-populated positions.

No work ethic? The guy has been jerked all over the place by this organization, yet continues to go out on a day to day basis and mash the ball, and play whatever position of the day they need him to play. I'd like know where the 'no work ethic' thing comes from.

 

Mat has had issues, I'll leave it at that. I welcome getting something in return for him. Sadly, he's only a few years away from being past his prime. We can easily find a different 1b for next year if we need one.

[tigerbrew]

If Brewers are going to trade Gamel and pay some of Rios awful contract, I hope we get Beckham along with Thornton and Rios in return.

[Weirdos19]

White Sox are trying to shed payroll,. We all know that. I really think they'll overpay for young talent. I'm thinking a big deal is in the works, and it may have escalated to even bigger after the Weeks injury.

Maybe even Narveson and Danks are involved? Who knows? I think the White Sox are going to be blown up.


You look at the number of players they have that have a fit in Milwaukee and it's crazy. Rios, Ramirez, Beckham, Dunn, all the lefty relievers....wowsa

[danzig6767]

I just have a hard time fathoming the White Sox paying off most of Rios deal. It's not like he only has one more year left on the contract.

 

11:$12M, 12:$12M, 13:$12.5M, 14:$12.5M, 15:$13.5M club option ($1M buyout)

 

That's a boatload of cash to largely pay off for any team just to dump a guy, even the Yankees. The Blue Jays didn't even pay off near that much in dumping the ultra hideous contract for Vernon Wells which had 4/yrs and 86 million still left on the deal.

 

Plus, my guess is the Brewers would want Chicago to pay some of Thorton's contract also given he's owed 5.5 million in each of the next two seasons, along with a one million dollar buyout for 2014. We'd be talking about the White Sox sending over something in the 40-45 million dollars range if there actually is something to this "rumor."

 

Yea, Rios has been dreadful this season, but just last year he had a very good season given his numbers for being a CF and a solid defensive one. Plus, it's not like last year was his first really good year. If i'm the White Sox, i'd hope that Rios rebounds next year and in future seasons than basically lighting 30-35 million dollars on fire assuming they'd have to throw in that much, just to get Matt Gamel.

[RockCoCougars]

Alex Rios? Why would they want to take on one of the 5 or 10 worst contracts in the majors? Where would he play? That makes no sense. As for infield help- as I stated above, unless they are dealing Ramirez, I don't see the point. Thornton would be nice, but I'm not taking on a stiff to get him.

[Hate those Rodents]

Yeah, I could see taking on Rios, even if he was hitting like this, if we never got Morgan and had Gomez/Dickerson like we all envisioned. But I'd much prefer Dunn as the bad contract we take on to get better talent in the deal.

[danzig6767]

Alex Rios? Why would they want to take on one of the 5 or 10 worst contracts in the majors? Where would he play? That makes no sense. As for infield help- as I stated above, unless they are dealing Ramirez, I don't see the point. Thornton would be nice, but I'm not taking on a stiff to get him.

While this rumor is very likely bogus, the guy who posted it said that Chicago would pay most of the money owed to Rios over the life of his contract.

 

But I'd much prefer Dunn as the bad contract we take on to get better talent in the deal.

I wouldn't. Dunn is pretty much strictly just a DH now, while Rios is a quality defensive CF. When Rios is hitting well as he did last year and as he has in previous seasons, he's one of the better overall CF's in the game. When Dunn isn't mashing, he's not just worthless as a player, he's a big liability if he's in the NL where he can't be a DH.

 

Trading for Rios makes no sense given our huge needs on the infield instead, but Dunn wouldn't address those either and he can't even play a semi-decent firstbase. At least while Rios struggles at the plate, he is useful defensively and has speed on the bases.

[RockCoCougars]

All things equal (salary), I'd still choose Morgan over Rios. When you factor in what Rios is getting paid, it's the no-brainer of no-brainers. Melvin had better run fast unless Rios comes with a $35 million check. People want to send McGehee to Nashville but they want Rios when he's been worse at the plate, when there is already a viable option in center? One man's trash is another man's treasure, I guess.

[danzig6767]

All things equal (salary), I'd still choose Morgan over Rios. When you factor in what Rios is getting paid, it's the no-brainer of no-brainers. Melvin had better run fast unless Rios comes with a $35 million check. People want to send McGehee to Nashville but they want Rios when he's been worse at the plate, when there is already a viable option in center? One man's trash is another man's treasure, I guess.

What? I haven't seen people on here wanting us to trade for Rios, given our pressing needs on the infield instead. I simply was stating that you weren't correct in saying that the hypothetical trade would involve the Brewers taking on Rios contract as it.

 

If though we were without Morgan, and thus did have a huge need in CF and Chicago really would pay of most of Rios contract, i'd listen if i was Melvin given that Rios has had multiple really good years, including just last season and he's only 30 years old.

 

We obviously do have Morgan though, and with Weeks injury, now have three big holes on the infield. That all said, very little about this rumor strikes me as plausible from either side.

[jmeks23]

The proposed deal makes absolutely no sense at this point. We get prospects and Rios for Gamel? With most of the money being paid? What? Rios is unnecessary first of all, then second of all what prospects? And why? We need MLB talent at this point. Next year is for rebuilding the farm.

 

The only deal I could see from the Sox is one that involves a terrible contract and Alexei Ramirez or Gordan Beckham. That way we give up less to take on part of a crappy contract and we also get a great infielder.

 

And just a caviat, I saw earlier that Haudricourt specifically asked Melvin if he had talked to the White Sox about any deals and he said he hasn't even spoken to Kenny Williams at all. Considering when he's usually talking to people he pulls the "I don't want to discuss that" card, seems pretty clear-cut he doesn't have any deal in the works. Who knows though.

[Nader Raider Tim]

Late to the party here but color me intrigued. Rios and prospects for Gamel. That seems to be potentially very intriguing. A Brewers Outfield of Rios, Morgan and Braun looks like a nice defensive setup with some nice offensive upside. Trading Hart or having Hart as the 1st Baseman seems to be nice in this scenario. (Yes Braun at 1st and Hart in LF looks better I just don't think the Brewers would do it)

 

Prospects could potentially be flipped for a SS or 2nd or 3rd.

 

Strike while the iron is hot, the White Sox just made one bad trade try and get in on another.

[Kelbysdaddy]

gamel/narveson/yuni/heckathorn for alexei/rios/danks(not sure how long is left on his contract)/dayan viciedo/cash. it would get alot of money off the books for chicago, brewers get the 2nd best rotation 1-5 in the nl, get rid of yuni, viciedo can play 1st after prince leaves, and get one of the best ss in baseball.

[TheCrew]

Only way the Chisox would do that trade is if Milwaukee was eating all of Rios's contract. People are really massively undervaluing Alexei on here, heck he is probably worth more than Reyes right now with his favorable contract - he's signed through 2015 or 2016 and I don't think it even hits 10 million until the last season.

[Kelbysdaddy]

i'm not saying it'll happen, heckathorn and gamel could be two cheap impact players for the sox, yuni would on the hook for the rest of this season, narvy still has a couple years on the cheap. eduardo escobar could very well be ready to take over ss for the sox next season and would be even cheaper than the team friendly alexei contract(with how much bad money they have tied up 25 mil or so over the next few years would be a help) danks will probably cost them around 8 mil next season and is a free agent after that while narveson doesnt hit arby until 2013 and free agency until 2016. or swap out danks with gavin floyd(even though floyd is much cheaper, just not as good). they have dug themselves into a financial hole and if they do go into fire sale mode it could work out. i'm not a g.m. or anything but it seems like it could help the sox out. it will never happen though, it would be way to much money for the brewers to take on unless chicago pays at least half of rios' contract

[TheCrew]

No offense, but if the Sox were going to pay half of his contract, and throw in Alexei and Danks not to mention Vicideo....................... they would be able to get a package that would blow gamel/narveson/heckathorn out of the water, it seriously wouldn't even be close imo.(Adding yuni just hurts that package)

[Warning Track Power]

Might be willing to take on a portion of Dunn/Rios if Beckham was a part of the deal now.

[tigerbrew]

With Weeks injuried, Beckham plays 2B. When Weeks return, switch Beckham to SS to replace Yuni permanently.

[PrinceEatMeat]

With Weeks injuried, Beckham plays 2B. When Weeks return, switch Beckham to SS to replace Yuni permanently.

Beckham doesn't play SS. He's a 2B and 3B.

[And That]

Beckham was a SS at Georgia and for most of his short minor league career. I don't know how great he'd be, but he's definitely played a lot there.

[tigerbrew]

Why can't Beckham play SS ? He played SS quite a bit in the minors.