Kuroda/Carroll package deal?

[JohnBriggs12]

Danny Knobler suggests Brewers have shown interest in Hiroki Kuroda. We know they have interest in Carroll as well. That begs the question of what the Dodgers would want back for the pair? Who do the Brewers replace in the rotation to make room for Kuroda? Do the Brewers have suitors for Randy Wolf (or would the Dodgers take him back)? Personally, I think the Brewers would want to keep Narveson in the rotation because he's under their control for several more years at less money and is younger.

[Invader3K]

Kuroda has a $12 million contract this year (and is a FA after this season), so if we take on his salary we might not have to give up much in return. I could see Narveson being shifted into the pen with a move like this. Kuroda is having another really good season.

[RockCoCougars]

I'll pass on paying $4 million for 10 starts from Kuroda. Let Detroit have him. I don't think he's that much better than Narveson. The money could be used better elsewhere.

[jjfanec]

I'll pass on paying $4 million for 10 starts from Kuroda. Let Detroit have him. I don't think he's that much better than Narveson. The money could be used better elsewhere.

But it would give us a lefty in the bullpen. It would give us draft picks for next year as well. Now I dont know if it is the move we need but if we got Kuroda and Carroll I think we would be pretty well set. I would like a bat off the bench but hopefully that could be solved by Gamel being promoted later in the season.

[Invader3K]

I'll pass on paying $4 million for 10 starts from Kuroda. Let Detroit have him. I don't think he's that much better than Narveson. The money could be used better elsewhere.

Kuroda's current 3.19 ERA and 1.22 WHIP say otherwise.

[brewerfan82]

Agreed. I think Kuroda is a significant upgrade from Narveson and even Wolf for that matter:

Since the beginning of last season:

Kuroda: 323 1/3 IP, 3.31 ERA, 1.18 WHIP, 7.1 K/9, 2.3 BB/9 ('10 ERA+: 112, '11 ERA+: 113)

Wolf: 347 1/3 IP, 3.96 ERA, 1.37 WHIP, 6.0 K/9, 3.4 BB/9 ('10 ERA+: 98, '11 ERA+: 109)

Narveson: 283 IP, 4.77 ERA, 1.39 WHIP, 7.5 K/9, 3.2 BB/9 ('10 ERA+: 82, '11 ERA+: 89)

[patrickgpe]

depends on what they want, i wouldn't give up a thornburg or peralta for him, but if they want a midlevel prospect to save some cash i'd be fine with that. i don't see them wanting wolf since the dodgers are broke and would be looking to shed salary not take some on.

[HiAndTight]

I'll pass on paying $4 million for 10 starts from Kuroda. Let Detroit have him. I don't think he's that much better than Narveson. The money could be used better elsewhere.

But it would give us a lefty in the bullpen. It would give us draft picks for next year as well. Now I dont know if it is the move we need but if we got Kuroda and Carroll I think we would be pretty well set. I would like a bat off the bench but hopefully that could be solved by Gamel being promoted later in the season.

Absolutely it would. If we could get him for cheap. I still maintain a trade with the Dodgers should include both Furcal and Carroll. If you're also going to include Kuroda, taking back 6 million in salary between the 8 million owed Furcal and Kuroda could greatly limit the value of the prospects heading back as well.

 

Kuroda would be an incredible #4 with Wolf as the #5. Not sure who'd be able to top that.

 

Then you consider that you've got Narveson now available in a Sean Marshall type roll as our LH'er out of the pen. Long man, whatever.

 

Kuroda certainly isn't a necessity, but he would be one helluva luxury. Now just get Braddock back on track for the end of August and Sept and call up Green, and I believe this team would be absolutely set, and would legitimately be a World Series contender. This would just go so far to solving any remaining issues. Furcal and Green replacing Betancourt and McGehee on the left side improves our defense a great deal.

Carroll improves our Defense at 3rd if he were to be placed in a platoon role, and/or provide a huge boost off the bench.

Kuroda really improves our rotation, not that it's an issue, but he does clearly make it better and then as a result our BP improves.

[HiAndTight]

I'll pass on paying $4 million for 10 starts from Kuroda. Let Detroit have him. I don't think he's that much better than Narveson. The money could be used better elsewhere.

Kuroda's current 3.19 ERA and 1.22 WHIP say otherwise.

Agreed. And before concerns about Dodger stadium skewing those results coming into play, he's pitched better on the road than at home.

 

3.65/1.23 at home, 2.45/1.20 on the road.

 

Pretty consistent, but quite a bit better on the road, thereby alleviating any concerns about the large ballpark deflating his ERA.

[nate82]

Kuroda would have to waive his no trade. Plus Kuroda doesn't like the east coast at least that is what has been reported. I don't believe Kuroda would accept a deal to Milwaukee. Would be nice to get him but I just don't see why he would accept to be traded to Milwaukee the Angels are probably the only destination he would want to go to. The Dodgers are also not just going to be dumping Kuroda for nothing it will take someone like Thornburg/Peralta to get him.

[RockCoCougars]

Obviously, he's better than Narveson, but is he $4 million plus prospects better for 10 starts? I say no. Those assets should be used for something beside another starting pitcher.

[GoudaBrew]

Isn't he also likely the best starting pitcher that is legitimately on the market making him super hard to acquire? The Brewers have bigger needs IMO.

[Klements Bratwurst]

"I don't believe Kuroda would accept a deal to Milwaukee"

 

I would agree about this concern, but having Saito in a Brewer uniform might help a bit......perhaps?

[HiAndTight]

Kuroda would have to waive his no trade. Plus Kuroda doesn't like the east coast at least that is what has been reported. I don't believe Kuroda would accept a deal to Milwaukee. Would be nice to get him but I just don't see why he would accept to be traded to Milwaukee the Angels are probably the only destination he would want to go to. The Dodgers are also not just going to be dumping Kuroda for nothing it will take someone like Thornburg/Peralta to get him.

There any reason for this other than...he's Japenese and it's Milwaukee? Ie, just a guess?

[adambr2]

I don't understand why we're talking about improving a position of strength. Narveson has done nothing to earn a demotion and with the glaring holes that we have on the left side of the infield, I wouldn't spend all we have left in part to bump Narveson from the rotation. Narveson has a 3.41 FIP and 3.56 xFIP this year (better peripherals than Kuroda). Narveson is not a good fit as a LOOGY, and like the FIP and xFIP show, I'm not sure Kuroda even ends up being an upgrade for those 10 games he ends up pitching. He will suffer from the lack of defense just like every other pitcher we have.

 

I'd much rather focus on improving the defense, specifically the left side of the infield, and thus improve every pitcher on the team, rather than looking to replace one of the best #5 starters in baseball.

[FoxyFoxes]

Furcal/Carroll and kuroda would be the perfect package deal for the Brewers. CAn never have too much pitching. Narveson could take the place of Dillard and the team would be primed for a big run.

 

Greinke, Marcum, Galllardo, Kuroda Wolf. Fun stuff.

[adambr2]

Again...as we are learning with Greinke, we can't just bring these guys over, put them out there in front of a bad defense, and expect their ERA's to just carry over to us.

 

Narveson = 3.41 FIP, 3.65 xFIP

Kuroda = 3.73 FIP, 3.63xFIP

 

Narveson strikes out about a batter more per 9, too, so if anything we'd see slightly more balls in play over the rest of the season.

 

How does this swap us better at all, much less making us better enough over 10 starts to make it worth it?

 

And Kuroda already has interest from plenty of teams who actually need a starter. So I don't see us being nearly competitive enough in any bidding war for him to even be in the discussion, and if we did I think it would involve us giving up a lot more than we should.

[nate82]

Kuroda would have to waive his no trade. Plus Kuroda doesn't like the east coast at least that is what has been reported. I don't believe Kuroda would accept a deal to Milwaukee. Would be nice to get him but I just don't see why he would accept to be traded to Milwaukee the Angels are probably the only destination he would want to go to. The Dodgers are also not just going to be dumping Kuroda for nothing it will take someone like Thornburg/Peralta to get him.

There any reason for this other than...he's Japenese and it's Milwaukee? Ie, just a guess?

During free agency Kuroda wouldn't even consider any of the teams that were not on the west coast specifically in Los Angeles. There are rumors he may waive his no trade but I don't see him waiving it to go to Milwaukee it is basically New York or Boston he would do it for. I don't see him waiving it for the teams interested in him like the Indians, Tigers, or Rangers.

[Invader3K]

Actually peple are saying he would waive it to go to a contender, and then probably re-sign with the Dodgers in the offseason. It's not like he'd have to move his family to Wisconsin or something.

[TheCrew]

He has said he wants to stay on the west coast and while he does have a no trade clause, he has refused to submit the list of teams he'd accept a trade to. He has said he wants to review it on a case by case basis.

[HiAndTight]

Kuroda would have to waive his no trade. Plus Kuroda doesn't like the east coast at least that is what has been reported. I don't believe Kuroda would accept a deal to Milwaukee. Would be nice to get him but I just don't see why he would accept to be traded to Milwaukee the Angels are probably the only destination he would want to go to. The Dodgers are also not just going to be dumping Kuroda for nothing it will take someone like Thornburg/Peralta to get him.

There any reason for this other than...he's Japenese and it's Milwaukee? Ie, just a guess?

During free agency Kuroda wouldn't even consider any of the teams that were not on the west coast specifically in Los Angeles. There are rumors he may waive his no trade but I don't see him waiving it to go to Milwaukee it is basically New York or Boston he would do it for. I don't see him waiving it for the teams interested in him like the Indians, Tigers, or Rangers.

Per MLBTR-

http://www.mlbtraderumors...geles_dodgers/index.html

The Dodgers believe Kuroda can be persuaded to waive his full no-trade

clause, wrote Knobler. I am guessing a financial incentive in the

$1-2MM range might compel Kuroda to pitch in the midwest or on the East

Coast for a few months.

[Warning Track Power]

Actually peple are saying he would waive it to go to a contender, and then probably re-sign with the Dodgers in the offseason. It's not like he'd have to move his family to Wisconsin or something.

If this is the case, then I wouldn't be inclined to give up much in the way of prospects. Additionally, as of today, it appears that Kuroda is the #1 arm on the market (assuming Ubaldo isn't dealt). I don't think we could offer a package as enticing as the other teams in the market for an arm given the Yankees and Tigers interest level.

 

I'd prefer DM focus on upgrading SS, 3B and the bench before exploring an area like SP.

[FoxyFoxes]

I'm not saying trade for Kuroda solely, as that doesnt sollve any of the Brewers problems besides maybe a lefty in the pen. However, if he comes in a package with a short stop a little cheaper so the Dodgers can save $ then we should do it .

[TheCrew]

Brewers need to improve the team where ever they can - SS seems very unlikely as there just isn't much out there and a number of contenders could use an upgrade there.

 

3B has a few options but really, it should just be Green.

 

So if Kuroda can be had at the right price, then I'm all for it - especially if they can pick up a guy like Carroll to fill in at 3b/ss when needed.

[monty57]

I'd rather just go for Carroll / Furcal straight up. They would be salary dumps, so probably could be had for mid-level prospects if we pick up all the salary. If you start putting together a package deal then you'll have to start looking at better prospects (or someone like Narveson) sent back. We have to do something about SS, so I agree with WTP that Melvin should focus all of his attention on that. The marginal improvement of adding Kuroda over Narveson is far less than the marginal improvement of any decent SS over Yuni. Throw in the fact that there are plenty of teams looking at SP help, and the price tag (in terms of prospects) would be out of the Brewers' range. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if the Yankees would agree to pay for the McCourt's divorce if they thought it would help them beat out the Sawx and win the World Series.