2011-07-20 Brewers (Narveson) at Diamondback (Saunders) - [Brewers win, 5-2, 10 innings]

[pebadger]

You see, they're called "relief" pitchers. They're there to offer relief to a starting pitcher who needs some help. I know that's changed just a bit in modern baseball, but it hasn't changed so much that they aren't still called relief pitchers.

 

If Narvy hadn't given up a hit he would still be in the game. I don't know what in the calculus changed to make it seem like taking him out, without even allowing him to maybe get in trouble with the first batter, was in any way a good idea. Now you've basically traded Narveson for Estrada.

[owbc]

But you can usually tell when he starts to blow up. He should've been allowed to stay in until he allowed a baserunner.

Exactly. But Roenicke almost never makes mid-inning pitching changes. So that option was off the table.

[trwi7]

To be fair, Narveson is prone to big innings from time to time. It's not like he has a history of long outings with unearned runs. The decision is not as bad as you guys are making it out to be.

 

Let's get a run here.

So have a reliever warming up and if he gets into trouble, take him out.

 

[brewmann04]

thanks Prince for giving them an extra out again Bad defense is killing this team.

[jpat]

I have no problem with pulling Narveson there to go to KRod. I hate errors though...especially errors to what ends up being the leadoff hitter for the inning. Leadoff errors and walks are just asking for trouble.

[razzzorsharp]

Let's go Casey. Put a good swing on it.

[Raw Biz]

I will say that the error by Prince is what ultimately lead to this calamity. But it still really hurts, they need to find a way to win or this will go down as one of the more disgusting ones of the year. I'm really angry.

It wasn't ruled an error.

[PrinceEatMeat]

Prince is being let off the hook here too. His miscue to start the inning cost of both runs.

[mastershake76]

I am usually among the first to bash RR but this time I'm not too upset with the move. If he leaves Narvy in there and he walks the leadoff hitter, everyone is screaming "what the bleep did we go out and get K-Rod for, to sit in the bullpen and shine his shoes?"

 

That was just a crap inning by K-Rod, no more and no less.

[Glennron]

While Prince should've made that play, K Rod fell behind every batter but one. You can't go 3-0 on guys like Willie Bloomquist.

[razzzorsharp]

McGehee is running a tight rope with this atbat.

[Polish Falcons]

How can you let Narveson hit here? He's your #5 pitcher for a reason

yeah, good call

[razzzorsharp]

A walk will be here Casey, take it.

[owbc]

It wasn't ruled an error.

I have no idea why, it was hit right at him.

[razzzorsharp]

A walk will be here Casey, take it.

I'm sorry Casey, I was wrong.

[Raw Biz]

I am usually among the first to bash RR but this time I'm not too upset with the move. If he leaves Narvy in there and he walks the leadoff hitter, everyone is screaming "what the bleep did we go out and get K-Rod for, to sit in the bullpen and shine his shoes?"

 

That was just a crap inning by K-Rod, no more and no less.

I think most would've been fine with Narveson leading off the inning with KRod warming up and brought in if Narveson walked the leadoff guy.

[pebadger]

This is already in my head as an L and it's driving me nuts.

[DHonks]

wow, so shocked they weren't pushing Narveson as far as they could. The Dbacks hadn't touched him and the Dbacks--like the Cards--always seem to win these kinds of games. I wasn't happy with the change, but also felt okay with K-Rod. Just a question, how was that not an error? It wasn't even a hard play

[endaround]

Narveson isn't a good pitcher after about 50 pitches. You're playing with fire you let him go too long

[SoCal Brew Crew Fan]

I just hate Casey Mcgehee.

 

Tough to hate that at bat...tough pitch right on the corner...either a ground out or take a chance on a walk. Can't fault him there.

[Raw Biz]

wow, so shocked they weren't pushing Narveson as far as they could. The Dbacks hadn't touched him and the Dbacks--like the Cards--always seem to win these kinds of games. I wasn't happy with the change, but also felt okay with K-Rod. Just a question, how was that not an error? It wasn't even a hard play

Because the DBacks want to go after Prince in the offseason and don't want to make him look bad by charging him with errors.

[yount19.u]

It wasn't ruled an error.

I have no idea why, it was hit right at him.

He had to move slightly. The official scorer gave Prince some leeway knowing the amount of gravity he had to fight against in order to move.

[PrinceEatMeat]

I'm not gonna completely pass judgement until I hear Roenicke's explanation after the game. For all we know, Narveson told him he was tired so he didn't push him.

[TheCrew07]

To be fair, Narveson is prone to big innings from time to time. It's not like he has a history of long outings with unearned runs. The decision is not as bad as you guys are making it out to be.

I'm all for the kids gloves thing with young pitchers, I think it's necessary. However once they've reached physical maturity, let em roll until you absolutely need to take them out of the game. The reason most pitchers in the bullpen are there in the first place is because they couldn't hack it starting, so they aren't as good to begin with. I agree Narvy is prone to the big inning, but so in Greinke and he wouldn't have been pulled there. Generally speaking I don't like it when the 7th inning guy gets through the inning in less than 10 pitches and the 8th inning guy is brought in just because he's the 8th inning guy. I'd rather run the 7th inning through the 8th if he's on.

 

I really don't even like the 100 pitch thing... it's completely arbitrary, most established MLB starting pitchers could probably push up to 120 every start without a problem. Max pitch count will vary by pitcher, start, weather, etc.. I haven't seen a single study proving that 100 pitches was the correct average threshold for MLB starting pitchers.

[owbc]

Narveson isn't a good pitcher after about 50 pitches. You're playing with fire you let him go too long

Are you watching the game or listening to the radio? I can't believe you would say that if you saw Narveson pitch tonight.