The Bring up Taylor Green Thread

[Pudster13]

What about putting together a package to trade for Ian Stewart of Colorado. He's 26, hits left-handed and needs a change of scenery.

 

I would like the Brewers to take a chance on Ian as someone who could contribute (McGehee/Stewart platoon?) this year, with an eye on being our 3B of the future.

[MillerBombers]

Taylor Green is 2-2 tonight with 1 HR and 2 RBIs. At this point I really have to think he may be on the PTBNL list. There is no excuse at this point to not at least give him a shot.

 

However, I did also notice that Gamel has a homerun and 2 RBIs. That means that Green won't be successful because the have the same in game stats right now and Gamel didn't have success with inconsistent at bats in the majors this year.

[tyguy20204]

Melvin also has been monitoring players at Class AAA Nashville such as first baseman?/?third baseman Mat Gamel and third baseman Taylor Green, both of whom are having big years. But, barring injury, he considers them to be likely September call-up material.

"We've looked at Taylor Green," said Melvin. "And I still consider Gamel a good hitter even though he struggled (.115) when he was up here.

"Our goal is to help Casey get going. He has looked better lately. Then, in September, we can add to the roster."

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/brewers/126151758.html

Can't say that this is surprising, but it's somewhat upsetting.

Edit: And according to Tom H., Shortstop Yuniesky Betancourt and third baseman Casey McGehee have been liabilities, offensively and defensively, for much of the season though both have swung the bats better recently.

Um, no Tom. That may be true of Betancourt but it definitely is not true with respect to McGehee. And both continue to be liabilities defensively.

[FVBrewerFan]

It's not surprising, but more than somewhat upsetting to me. It's just clear that they will move people in and out of the bullpen like a turn-style, but if you're a position player you have a job for life. I would encourage any light hitting vet looking for employment next year, call DM. Not only do you have the peace of mind you won't be cut, you'll get plenty of playing time. Heck, you'll even get a bobble head.

[trwi7]

The 'K-Rod' deal helped us with our No. 1 need."

Maybe he's just unaware of how bad the left side of the infield is.

[Ando Calrissian]

Incredibly disappointing. Despite our position in the standings, I'm having such a hard time liking our team this year. I'm weary of manager speak and of unbelievable stubbornness. Gah.

[adambr2]

Melvin also has been monitoring players at Class AAA Nashville such as first baseman?/?third baseman Mat Gamel and third baseman Taylor Green, both of whom are having big years. But, barring injury, he considers them to be likely September call-up material.

"We've looked at Taylor Green," said Melvin. "And I still consider Gamel a good hitter even though he struggled (.115) when he was up here.

"Our goal is to help Casey get going. He has looked better lately. Then, in September, we can add to the roster."

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/brewers/126151758.html

 

Can't say that this is surprising, but it's somewhat upsetting.

I would never root for McGehee to get hurt, but it's disappointing that that is what it would take for us to get better at 3rd.

 

 

[FVBrewerFan]

Melvin also has been monitoring players at Class AAA Nashville such as first baseman?/?third baseman Mat Gamel and third baseman Taylor Green, both of whom are having big years. But, barring injury, he considers them to be likely September call-up material.

"We've looked at Taylor Green," said Melvin. "And I still consider Gamel a good hitter even though he struggled (.115) when he was up here.

"Our goal is to help Casey get going. He has looked better lately. Then, in September, we can add to the roster."

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/brewers/126151758.html

 

Can't say that this is surprising, but it's somewhat upsetting.

I would never root for McGehee to get hurt, but it's disappointing that that is what it would take for us to get better at 3rd.

 

Sadly, I really believe Plan B would be Counsell/Wilson platoon.

[LouisEly]

The 'K-Rod' deal helped us with our No. 1 need."

Maybe he's just unaware of how bad the left side of the infield is.

 

 

 

If the Brewers were just league average in blown saves they could easily be four games up in first place.

[MillerBombers]

The 'K-Rod' deal helped us with our No. 1 need."

Maybe he's just unaware of how bad the left side of the infield is.

 

 

 

If the Brewers were just league average in blown saves they could easily be four games up in first place.

Blown holds were a major problem and yes we could easily be in first place if they hadn't happened or Loe was used properly. Having said that, you don't need to stop improving when you have legitimate internal options. I am all for Casey improving but I just don't see it. When you are using Casey's recent so called success to signify improvement, you are reaching.

[theavrock]

So I am not familiar with the PBTNL stuff. Does that mean Green can't be called up and traded later?

[topper09er]

At first I thought maybe DM was only looking at this to evaluate our left side and come to the conclusion they are not terrible.

NL SS:

Tm	#Fld	G	CG	Inn	Ch	PO	A	E ?	DP	Fld%
	55	1632	1492	14631.2	7438	2449	4775	214	958	.971
SFG	4	102	89	928.1	432	125	287	20	49	.954
STL	5	102	86	919.2	463	140	303	20	64	.957
CHC	2	102	101	900.2	476	182	276	18	51	.962
CIN	3	102	81	922.1	513	171	325	17	55	.967
SDP	3	103	99	928.2	479	173	289	17	69	.965
NYM	3	102	99	909.1	452	152	284	16	60	.965
WSN	3	101	94	906.1	511	157	338	16	64	.969
FLA	4	102	92	920.0	407	157	235	15	55	.963
MIL	3	103	91	910.2	419	127	279	13	59	.969
LgAvg	3	102	93	914	465	153	298	13	60	.971
HOU	3	102	99	897.0	464	142	310	12	56	.974
LAD	4	102	91	901.0	416	146	258	12	52	.971
PIT	4	100	89	897.2	517	166	342	9	67	.983
ARI	5	102	96	913.1	435	143	284	8	61	.982
ATL	4	103	98	938.0	468	135	325	8	57	.983
PHI	3	101	96	919.1	457	141	309	7	62	.985
COL	3	103	91	919.1	529	192	331	6	77	.989

But when you look at this even DM and Rock types must think McGehee is really sticking up the joint.

NL 3B:

Tm	#Fld	G	CG	Inn	Ch	PO	A	E	DP	Fld% ?
	85	1632	1368	14631.2	4254	1052	3013	189	272	.956
CIN	6	102	90	922.1	278	68	204	6	22	.978
SFG	6	102	92	928.1	311	81	223	7	26	.977
PHI	5	101	95	919.1	282	66	208	8	12	.972
LAD	5	102	85	901.0	266	71	187	8	9	.970
ARI	5	102	94	913.1	279	74	196	9	18	.968
SDP	4	103	89	928.2	281	87	182	12	16	.957
CHC	4	102	93	900.2	235	51	174	10	15	.957
LgAvg	5	102	86	914	266	66	188	12	17	.956
STL	8	102	67	919.2	278	54	211	13	26	.953
ATL	7	103	85	938.0	255	51	192	12	15	.953
HOU	4	102	94	897.0	232	62	158	12	25	.948
WSN	4	101	79	906.1	251	59	178	14	15	.944
PIT	6	100	78	897.2	315	73	224	18	23	.943
FLA	6	102	69	920.0	238	68	156	14	13	.941
COL	7	103	77	919.1	248	58	175	15	17	.940
NYM	5	102	93	909.1	249	73	161	15	10	.940
MIL	4	103	88	910.2	256	56	184	16	10	.938

[pebadger]

The whole wierd thing about upgrading the pen and seemingly ignoring teh left side of the IF is that Milwaukee has such a good record in 1-run games. I'm not disputing that the pen has been a problem at times but I attribute a fair amount of that to mismanagement of the talent out there as much as to the talent out there. And they still have won a whole bunch of one-run games anyway.

 

I always thought that the inability of the offense to tack on, especially in about the middle third of the season when Loe was stacking up losses, was just as big a problem for the team. I don't think it's unfair to say that it was a problem becuase half of the lineup was simply awful and the team had no real alternatives to turn to with respect to the awful guys. Yet the blame always fell on the bullpen, when in fact virtually every loss is a collaboration of failures.

 

I'm kind of resigned to the fact that nothign good is going to happen on the left side, unless it's a miraculous turnaround by the guys already on the roster.

[FVBrewerFan]

I hear what you're saying, but the reason their record is so good in 1 run games is becasue usually when Loe imploded, it wasn't just one run, it was 3 or 4. With that said, sure...more runs is always a good way to win more games.

[pebadger]

Yeah, I made that same observation, only in a more snide manner, just the other day in one of the IGT.

 

Essentially, the Brewers 1-run game record is good because when they lost late earlier this season they were good at turning close games into blowouts. I know many here think its a terrible way to run a railroad, but I just remember way too many cases of the Brewers failing to add-on in games. It may all just be psychological, but perhaps even just one extra run in some of those games relieves a bit of pressure on the late inning guys and helps them perform a bit better.

 

To me it still comes down to having way too many holes in the everyday lineup, compounded by the fact that, other than Gomez, nobody on the bench had anything of a plus nature to offer even in a limited role.

[crossface21]

As much as I can't stand the guy, Betancourt is not the main problem right now, it's McGehee. At least Betancourt has hit the ball since June 1, hitting .290. His defense still sucks, but at least he's hitting. McGehee, although has had better at bats lately, still isn't getting the hits and he still can't play defense. 3B is the black hole right now that needs to be improved.

[monty57]

As much as I can't stand the guy, Betancourt is not the main problem right now, it's McGehee.

 

But that's sort of like saying "I'm stuck in a swamp and the alligators aren't as bad a problem as the piranhas." Both of the positions are problems, and both should be addressed. The reason I am more frustrated abouth 3B is that we have an easy in-house solution which we refuse to utilize, whereas we'll have to go outside of the organization to correct SS.

 

I'll have mixed feelings if we trade for a 3B. On the positive side, we'll have erased a black hole, but on the negative side we will have given up something of value when we may not have had to. I will be very happy if we trade for a SS, as we will have erased a black hole which we couldn't have erased without giving up something of value.

 

Melvin has seemingly made up his mind on the subject, so I guess I should just stop complaining, but man is this a case of bad roster management.

[brettac1]

The thing is, even when McGehee was "hot" for a week or whatever, he still wasn't hitting the ball with any authority. All of his hits were singles.

[adambr2]

Taylor Green (Nashville) - .321, 15 HR, 61 RBI, .954 OPS

Casey McGehee (Milwaukee) - .226, 5 HR, 38 RBI, .586 OPS

 

This is getting insane, Taylor is outperforming Casey by almost 400 OPS points right now, and he may not even be the first option for 3B out of Nashville. He could come up and play relatively poorly and drop about 300 points from his AAA OPS and still be outperforming McGehee by a pretty signficant margin.

 

Taylor, I'm sorry. I really don't know what else to say at this point. This feels just like the Nieves/Kottaras situation from earlier this year except for you knew on that one that Melvin would eventually have to cave.

 

It's also different because Nieves only hurt us one out of every 5 days, not every day.

[TheCrew07]

The 'K-Rod' deal helped us with our No. 1 need."

Maybe he's just unaware of how bad the left side of the infield is.

 

If the Brewers were just league average in blown saves they could easily be four games up in first place.

Once again how much of that was the players and how much was the manager? There is simply no way 1 reliever is a bigger problem than having 2 of the worst players in the league at their starting positions every inning of every game.

[endaround]

At this point I wonder if they are just waiting to see if they can get say Ramirez cheap and not burn an option on Green since its only 4 days. I've been talking about Green now since June 4th. What's another 4 days?

[3Putt]

For those who ask why McGehee gets the star treatment I'd suggest his numbers the last two years are star worthy. If you project his 2009 numbers for a full year he'd have been an MVP contender. That being said I agree he's hurting the team right now but I understand the leash management is giving him. His defense is below average but Gamel would make him look like Brooks Robinson. As for Taylor Green it's getting late in the season to make the change. You don't want near rookies heading into the playoffs. If we were going to make the change we needed to do it in June.

 

Year Age Tm Lg G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+ TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB Pos Awards

2009 26 MIL NL 116 394 355 58 107 20 1 16 66 0 2 34 67 .301 .360 .499 .859 126 177 13 1 0 4 2 54/3D9 RoY-5

2010 27 MIL NL 157 670 610 70 174 38 1 23 104 1 1 50 102 .285 .337 .464 .801 113 283 18 2 0 8 5 *5/3D

2011 28 MIL NL 100 396 363 30 82 15 0 5 38 0 2 27 68 .226 .278 .309 .586 61 112 11 1 0 5 2 *5/3D

[trwi7]

If you project his 2009 numbers for a full year he'd have been an MVP contender.

On what planet?

[adambr2]

For those who ask why McGehee gets the star treatment I'd suggest his numbers the last two years are star worthy. If you project his 2009 numbers for a full year he'd have been an MVP contender. That being said I agree he's hurting the team right now but I understand the leash management is giving him. His defense is below average but Gamel would make him look like Brooks Robinson. As for Taylor Green it's getting late in the season to make the change. You don't want near rookies heading into the playoffs. If we were going to make the change we needed to do it in June.

 

Year Age Tm Lg G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+ TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB Pos Awards

2009 26 MIL NL 116 394 355 58 107 20 1 16 66 0 2 34 67 .301 .360 .499 .859 126 177 13 1 0 4 2 54/3D9 RoY-5

2010 27 MIL NL 157 670 610 70 174 38 1 23 104 1 1 50 102 .285 .337 .464 .801 113 283 18 2 0 8 5 *5/3D

2011 28 MIL NL 100 396 363 30 82 15 0 5 38 0 2 27 68 .226 .278 .309 .586 61 112 11 1 0 5 2 *5/3D

I'm sorry but I believe this is little more than a cliche. Some rookies acclimate to the big leagues just fine, you never know til you find out. I would say that I'd much rather have a capable rookie heading into the playoffs than continue starting a .586 OPS'ing defensive liability 3rd baseman who may prevent you altogether from getting into the playoffs.

 

 

[mothershipconnection]

Here's all I can come up with:

 

Green was dating Melvin's daughter and cheated on her with Roenicke's son's fiancee. When confronted, he cursed out their wives and made his getaway by stealing Attanasio's car.