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Honestly though, I'm beginning to expect something big in the next week or so. I think you're going to see something unexpectedly big to upgrade 3B. Judging by DM's past I wouldn't be surprised in the elast if he somehow figures a way to acquire a Aramis Ramirez, David Wright or Mark Reynolds type 3B. How that happens is anyones guess because I have no clue, just like I had no clue about us acquiring Greinke.
You may well be right on this part. I hope you are right.

I understand the market for acquiring a shortstop via trade is tough right now. That still didn't preclude Melvin from DFAing Betancourt a month ago, or at least making sure Roenicke used Wilson and Counsell earlier in the season. There was a stretch where those two were rotting on the bench and Betancourt was allowed free reign to suck every day at shortstop. I realize the internal options aren't great hitters, but at least their defense would have been better and they would have exhibited something resembling plate discipline.

 

 

I'm with you on DFA'ing YuBet, however our other options are equally poor in my opinion. Counsell looks done. Nothing he has shown me in 2011 gives me any confidence he could hit over .200 and no matter how good he could he be on D, we can't start a sub .200 singles hitter. I'm definitely not comfortable with Wilson in anything other than a platoon. I don't mind him in the backup role he has now (6th IF/emergency OF) but I wouldn't even trust him in the Counsell role for 2012.

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Honestly though, I'm beginning to expect something big in the next week or so. I think you're going to see something unexpectedly big to upgrade 3B. Judging by DM's past I wouldn't be surprised in the elast if he somehow figures a way to acquire a Aramis Ramirez, David Wright or Mark Reynolds type 3B. How that happens is anyones guess because I have no clue, just like I had no clue about us acquiring Greinke.
You may well be right on this part. I hope you are right.

I understand the market for acquiring a shortstop via trade is tough right now. That still didn't preclude Melvin from DFAing Betancourt a month ago, or at least making sure Roenicke used Wilson and Counsell earlier in the season. There was a stretch where those two were rotting on the bench and Betancourt was allowed free reign to suck every day at shortstop. I realize the internal options aren't great hitters, but at least their defense would have been better and they would have exhibited something resembling plate discipline.

 

 

I'm with you on DFA'ing YuBet, however our other options are equally poor in my opinion. Counsell looks done. Nothing he has shown me in 2011 gives me any confidence he could hit over .200 and no matter how good he could he be on D, we can't start a sub .200 singles hitter. I'm definitely not comfortable with Wilson in anything other than a platoon. I don't mind him in the backup role he has now (6th IF/emergency OF) but I wouldn't even trust him in the Counsell role for 2012.

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Honestly though, I'm beginning to expect something big in the next week or so. I think you're going to see something unexpectedly big to upgrade 3B. Judging by DM's past I wouldn't be surprised in the elast if he somehow figures a way to acquire a Aramis Ramirez, David Wright or Mark Reynolds type 3B. How that happens is anyones guess because I have no clue, just like I had no clue about us acquiring Greinke.
You may well be right on this part. I hope you are right.

I understand the market for acquiring a shortstop via trade is tough right now. That still didn't preclude Melvin from DFAing Betancourt a month ago, or at least making sure Roenicke used Wilson and Counsell earlier in the season. There was a stretch where those two were rotting on the bench and Betancourt was allowed free reign to suck every day at shortstop. I realize the internal options aren't great hitters, but at least their defense would have been better and they would have exhibited something resembling plate discipline.

 

 

I'm with you on DFA'ing YuBet, however our other options are equally poor in my opinion. Counsell looks done. Nothing he has shown me in 2011 gives me any confidence he could hit over .200 and no matter how good he could he be on D, we can't start a sub .200 singles hitter. I'm definitely not comfortable with Wilson in anything other than a platoon. I don't mind him in the backup role he has now (6th IF/emergency OF) but I wouldn't even trust him in the Counsell role for 2012.

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Honestly though, I'm beginning to expect something big in the next week or so. I think you're going to see something unexpectedly big to upgrade 3B. Judging by DM's past I wouldn't be surprised in the elast if he somehow figures a way to acquire a Aramis Ramirez, David Wright or Mark Reynolds type 3B. How that happens is anyones guess because I have no clue, just like I had no clue about us acquiring Greinke.
You may well be right on this part. I hope you are right.

I understand the market for acquiring a shortstop via trade is tough right now. That still didn't preclude Melvin from DFAing Betancourt a month ago, or at least making sure Roenicke used Wilson and Counsell earlier in the season. There was a stretch where those two were rotting on the bench and Betancourt was allowed free reign to suck every day at shortstop. I realize the internal options aren't great hitters, but at least their defense would have been better and they would have exhibited something resembling plate discipline.

 

 

I'm with you on DFA'ing YuBet, however our other options are equally poor in my opinion. Counsell looks done. Nothing he has shown me in 2011 gives me any confidence he could hit over .200 and no matter how good he could he be on D, we can't start a sub .200 singles hitter. I'm definitely not comfortable with Wilson in anything other than a platoon. I don't mind him in the backup role he has now (6th IF/emergency OF) but I wouldn't even trust him in the Counsell role for 2012.

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Honestly though, I'm beginning to expect something big in the next week or so. I think you're going to see something unexpectedly big to upgrade 3B. Judging by DM's past I wouldn't be surprised in the elast if he somehow figures a way to acquire a Aramis Ramirez, David Wright or Mark Reynolds type 3B. How that happens is anyones guess because I have no clue, just like I had no clue about us acquiring Greinke.
You may well be right on this part. I hope you are right.

I understand the market for acquiring a shortstop via trade is tough right now. That still didn't preclude Melvin from DFAing Betancourt a month ago, or at least making sure Roenicke used Wilson and Counsell earlier in the season. There was a stretch where those two were rotting on the bench and Betancourt was allowed free reign to suck every day at shortstop. I realize the internal options aren't great hitters, but at least their defense would have been better and they would have exhibited something resembling plate discipline.

 

 

I'm with you on DFA'ing YuBet, however our other options are equally poor in my opinion. Counsell looks done. Nothing he has shown me in 2011 gives me any confidence he could hit over .200 and no matter how good he could he be on D, we can't start a sub .200 singles hitter. I'm definitely not comfortable with Wilson in anything other than a platoon. I don't mind him in the backup role he has now (6th IF/emergency OF) but I wouldn't even trust him in the Counsell role for 2012.

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Honestly though, I'm beginning to expect something big in the next week or so. I think you're going to see something unexpectedly big to upgrade 3B. Judging by DM's past I wouldn't be surprised in the elast if he somehow figures a way to acquire a Aramis Ramirez, David Wright or Mark Reynolds type 3B. How that happens is anyones guess because I have no clue, just like I had no clue about us acquiring Greinke.
You may well be right on this part. I hope you are right.

I understand the market for acquiring a shortstop via trade is tough right now. That still didn't preclude Melvin from DFAing Betancourt a month ago, or at least making sure Roenicke used Wilson and Counsell earlier in the season. There was a stretch where those two were rotting on the bench and Betancourt was allowed free reign to suck every day at shortstop. I realize the internal options aren't great hitters, but at least their defense would have been better and they would have exhibited something resembling plate discipline.

 

 

I'm with you on DFA'ing YuBet, however our other options are equally poor in my opinion. Counsell looks done. Nothing he has shown me in 2011 gives me any confidence he could hit over .200 and no matter how good he could he be on D, we can't start a sub .200 singles hitter. I'm definitely not comfortable with Wilson in anything other than a platoon. I don't mind him in the backup role he has now (6th IF/emergency OF) but I wouldn't even trust him in the Counsell role for 2012.

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Honestly though, I'm beginning to expect something big in the next week or so. I think you're going to see something unexpectedly big to upgrade 3B. Judging by DM's past I wouldn't be surprised in the elast if he somehow figures a way to acquire a Aramis Ramirez, David Wright or Mark Reynolds type 3B. How that happens is anyones guess because I have no clue, just like I had no clue about us acquiring Greinke.
You may well be right on this part. I hope you are right.

I understand the market for acquiring a shortstop via trade is tough right now. That still didn't preclude Melvin from DFAing Betancourt a month ago, or at least making sure Roenicke used Wilson and Counsell earlier in the season. There was a stretch where those two were rotting on the bench and Betancourt was allowed free reign to suck every day at shortstop. I realize the internal options aren't great hitters, but at least their defense would have been better and they would have exhibited something resembling plate discipline.

 

 

I'm with you on DFA'ing YuBet, however our other options are equally poor in my opinion. Counsell looks done. Nothing he has shown me in 2011 gives me any confidence he could hit over .200 and no matter how good he could he be on D, we can't start a sub .200 singles hitter. I'm definitely not comfortable with Wilson in anything other than a platoon. I don't mind him in the backup role he has now (6th IF/emergency OF) but I wouldn't even trust him in the Counsell role for 2012.

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Honestly though, I'm beginning to expect something big in the next week or so. I think you're going to see something unexpectedly big to upgrade 3B. Judging by DM's past I wouldn't be surprised in the elast if he somehow figures a way to acquire a Aramis Ramirez, David Wright or Mark Reynolds type 3B. How that happens is anyones guess because I have no clue, just like I had no clue about us acquiring Greinke.
You may well be right on this part. I hope you are right.

I understand the market for acquiring a shortstop via trade is tough right now. That still didn't preclude Melvin from DFAing Betancourt a month ago, or at least making sure Roenicke used Wilson and Counsell earlier in the season. There was a stretch where those two were rotting on the bench and Betancourt was allowed free reign to suck every day at shortstop. I realize the internal options aren't great hitters, but at least their defense would have been better and they would have exhibited something resembling plate discipline.

 

 

I'm with you on DFA'ing YuBet, however our other options are equally poor in my opinion. Counsell looks done. Nothing he has shown me in 2011 gives me any confidence he could hit over .200 and no matter how good he could he be on D, we can't start a sub .200 singles hitter. I'm definitely not comfortable with Wilson in anything other than a platoon. I don't mind him in the backup role he has now (6th IF/emergency OF) but I wouldn't even trust him in the Counsell role for 2012.

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Honestly though, I'm beginning to expect something big in the next week or so. I think you're going to see something unexpectedly big to upgrade 3B. Judging by DM's past I wouldn't be surprised in the elast if he somehow figures a way to acquire a Aramis Ramirez, David Wright or Mark Reynolds type 3B. How that happens is anyones guess because I have no clue, just like I had no clue about us acquiring Greinke.
You may well be right on this part. I hope you are right.

I understand the market for acquiring a shortstop via trade is tough right now. That still didn't preclude Melvin from DFAing Betancourt a month ago, or at least making sure Roenicke used Wilson and Counsell earlier in the season. There was a stretch where those two were rotting on the bench and Betancourt was allowed free reign to suck every day at shortstop. I realize the internal options aren't great hitters, but at least their defense would have been better and they would have exhibited something resembling plate discipline.

 

 

I'm with you on DFA'ing YuBet, however our other options are equally poor in my opinion. Counsell looks done. Nothing he has shown me in 2011 gives me any confidence he could hit over .200 and no matter how good he could he be on D, we can't start a sub .200 singles hitter. I'm definitely not comfortable with Wilson in anything other than a platoon. I don't mind him in the backup role he has now (6th IF/emergency OF) but I wouldn't even trust him in the Counsell role for 2012.

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Honestly though, I'm beginning to expect something big in the next week or so. I think you're going to see something unexpectedly big to upgrade 3B. Judging by DM's past I wouldn't be surprised in the elast if he somehow figures a way to acquire a Aramis Ramirez, David Wright or Mark Reynolds type 3B. How that happens is anyones guess because I have no clue, just like I had no clue about us acquiring Greinke.
You may well be right on this part. I hope you are right.

I understand the market for acquiring a shortstop via trade is tough right now. That still didn't preclude Melvin from DFAing Betancourt a month ago, or at least making sure Roenicke used Wilson and Counsell earlier in the season. There was a stretch where those two were rotting on the bench and Betancourt was allowed free reign to suck every day at shortstop. I realize the internal options aren't great hitters, but at least their defense would have been better and they would have exhibited something resembling plate discipline.

 

 

I'm with you on DFA'ing YuBet, however our other options are equally poor in my opinion. Counsell looks done. Nothing he has shown me in 2011 gives me any confidence he could hit over .200 and no matter how good he could he be on D, we can't start a sub .200 singles hitter. I'm definitely not comfortable with Wilson in anything other than a platoon. I don't mind him in the backup role he has now (6th IF/emergency OF) but I wouldn't even trust him in the Counsell role for 2012.

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Honestly though, I'm beginning to expect something big in the next week or so. I think you're going to see something unexpectedly big to upgrade 3B. Judging by DM's past I wouldn't be surprised in the elast if he somehow figures a way to acquire a Aramis Ramirez, David Wright or Mark Reynolds type 3B. How that happens is anyones guess because I have no clue, just like I had no clue about us acquiring Greinke.
You may well be right on this part. I hope you are right.

I understand the market for acquiring a shortstop via trade is tough right now. That still didn't preclude Melvin from DFAing Betancourt a month ago, or at least making sure Roenicke used Wilson and Counsell earlier in the season. There was a stretch where those two were rotting on the bench and Betancourt was allowed free reign to suck every day at shortstop. I realize the internal options aren't great hitters, but at least their defense would have been better and they would have exhibited something resembling plate discipline.

 

 

I'm with you on DFA'ing YuBet, however our other options are equally poor in my opinion. Counsell looks done. Nothing he has shown me in 2011 gives me any confidence he could hit over .200 and no matter how good he could he be on D, we can't start a sub .200 singles hitter. I'm definitely not comfortable with Wilson in anything other than a platoon. I don't mind him in the backup role he has now (6th IF/emergency OF) but I wouldn't even trust him in the Counsell role for 2012.

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Honestly though, I'm beginning to expect something big in the next week or so. I think you're going to see something unexpectedly big to upgrade 3B. Judging by DM's past I wouldn't be surprised in the elast if he somehow figures a way to acquire a Aramis Ramirez, David Wright or Mark Reynolds type 3B. How that happens is anyones guess because I have no clue, just like I had no clue about us acquiring Greinke.
You may well be right on this part. I hope you are right.

I understand the market for acquiring a shortstop via trade is tough right now. That still didn't preclude Melvin from DFAing Betancourt a month ago, or at least making sure Roenicke used Wilson and Counsell earlier in the season. There was a stretch where those two were rotting on the bench and Betancourt was allowed free reign to suck every day at shortstop. I realize the internal options aren't great hitters, but at least their defense would have been better and they would have exhibited something resembling plate discipline.

 

 

I'm with you on DFA'ing YuBet, however our other options are equally poor in my opinion. Counsell looks done. Nothing he has shown me in 2011 gives me any confidence he could hit over .200 and no matter how good he could he be on D, we can't start a sub .200 singles hitter. I'm definitely not comfortable with Wilson in anything other than a platoon. I don't mind him in the backup role he has now (6th IF/emergency OF) but I wouldn't even trust him in the Counsell role for 2012.

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Honestly though, I'm beginning to expect something big in the next week or so. I think you're going to see something unexpectedly big to upgrade 3B. Judging by DM's past I wouldn't be surprised in the elast if he somehow figures a way to acquire a Aramis Ramirez, David Wright or Mark Reynolds type 3B. How that happens is anyones guess because I have no clue, just like I had no clue about us acquiring Greinke.
You may well be right on this part. I hope you are right.

I understand the market for acquiring a shortstop via trade is tough right now. That still didn't preclude Melvin from DFAing Betancourt a month ago, or at least making sure Roenicke used Wilson and Counsell earlier in the season. There was a stretch where those two were rotting on the bench and Betancourt was allowed free reign to suck every day at shortstop. I realize the internal options aren't great hitters, but at least their defense would have been better and they would have exhibited something resembling plate discipline.

 

 

I'm with you on DFA'ing YuBet, however our other options are equally poor in my opinion. Counsell looks done. Nothing he has shown me in 2011 gives me any confidence he could hit over .200 and no matter how good he could he be on D, we can't start a sub .200 singles hitter. I'm definitely not comfortable with Wilson in anything other than a platoon. I don't mind him in the backup role he has now (6th IF/emergency OF) but I wouldn't even trust him in the Counsell role for 2012.

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Honestly though, I'm beginning to expect something big in the next week or so. I think you're going to see something unexpectedly big to upgrade 3B. Judging by DM's past I wouldn't be surprised in the elast if he somehow figures a way to acquire a Aramis Ramirez, David Wright or Mark Reynolds type 3B. How that happens is anyones guess because I have no clue, just like I had no clue about us acquiring Greinke.
You may well be right on this part. I hope you are right.

I understand the market for acquiring a shortstop via trade is tough right now. That still didn't preclude Melvin from DFAing Betancourt a month ago, or at least making sure Roenicke used Wilson and Counsell earlier in the season. There was a stretch where those two were rotting on the bench and Betancourt was allowed free reign to suck every day at shortstop. I realize the internal options aren't great hitters, but at least their defense would have been better and they would have exhibited something resembling plate discipline.

 

 

I'm with you on DFA'ing YuBet, however our other options are equally poor in my opinion. Counsell looks done. Nothing he has shown me in 2011 gives me any confidence he could hit over .200 and no matter how good he could he be on D, we can't start a sub .200 singles hitter. I'm definitely not comfortable with Wilson in anything other than a platoon. I don't mind him in the backup role he has now (6th IF/emergency OF) but I wouldn't even trust him in the Counsell role for 2012.

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If putting up numbers in AAA meant instant success at the major league level, rumors would be rampant about teams wanting to pick up 35 year old Cody Ransom, who can play 3B and SS and currently has a 1.055 OPS for Reno and guys like Lyle Mouton would have been major league All Stars.

 

Green's played just 85 games at AAA, and has never played in the majors. The thought that "he has nothing to prove at AAA" is wishful thinking for a guy who was slowed by injuries the previous two seasons. He needs to prove he can put up numbers over a full season at AAA.

 

I'm sure the Brewers are well aware of Green and that Melvin has poured over reports from his scouts and Don Money, who knows a thing or two about playing 3B. But it's obvious they don't think it's smart to stick him in the middle of a heated pennant race.

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If putting up numbers in AAA meant instant success at the major league level, rumors would be rampant about teams wanting to pick up 35 year old Cody Ransom, who can play 3B and SS and currently has a 1.055 OPS for Reno and guys like Lyle Mouton would have been major league All Stars.

 

Green's played just 85 games at AAA, and has never played in the majors. The thought that "he has nothing to prove at AAA" is wishful thinking for a guy who was slowed by injuries the previous two seasons. He needs to prove he can put up numbers over a full season at AAA.

 

I'm sure the Brewers are well aware of Green and that Melvin has poured over reports from his scouts and Don Money, who knows a thing or two about playing 3B. But it's obvious they don't think it's smart to stick him in the middle of a heated pennant race.

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If putting up numbers in AAA meant instant success at the major league level, rumors would be rampant about teams wanting to pick up 35 year old Cody Ransom, who can play 3B and SS and currently has a 1.055 OPS for Reno and guys like Lyle Mouton would have been major league All Stars.

 

Green's played just 85 games at AAA, and has never played in the majors. The thought that "he has nothing to prove at AAA" is wishful thinking for a guy who was slowed by injuries the previous two seasons. He needs to prove he can put up numbers over a full season at AAA.

 

I'm sure the Brewers are well aware of Green and that Melvin has poured over reports from his scouts and Don Money, who knows a thing or two about playing 3B. But it's obvious they don't think it's smart to stick him in the middle of a heated pennant race.

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If putting up numbers in AAA meant instant success at the major league level, rumors would be rampant about teams wanting to pick up 35 year old Cody Ransom, who can play 3B and SS and currently has a 1.055 OPS for Reno and guys like Lyle Mouton would have been major league All Stars.

 

Green's played just 85 games at AAA, and has never played in the majors. The thought that "he has nothing to prove at AAA" is wishful thinking for a guy who was slowed by injuries the previous two seasons. He needs to prove he can put up numbers over a full season at AAA.

 

I'm sure the Brewers are well aware of Green and that Melvin has poured over reports from his scouts and Don Money, who knows a thing or two about playing 3B. But it's obvious they don't think it's smart to stick him in the middle of a heated pennant race.

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If putting up numbers in AAA meant instant success at the major league level, rumors would be rampant about teams wanting to pick up 35 year old Cody Ransom, who can play 3B and SS and currently has a 1.055 OPS for Reno and guys like Lyle Mouton would have been major league All Stars.

 

Green's played just 85 games at AAA, and has never played in the majors. The thought that "he has nothing to prove at AAA" is wishful thinking for a guy who was slowed by injuries the previous two seasons. He needs to prove he can put up numbers over a full season at AAA.

 

I'm sure the Brewers are well aware of Green and that Melvin has poured over reports from his scouts and Don Money, who knows a thing or two about playing 3B. But it's obvious they don't think it's smart to stick him in the middle of a heated pennant race.

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If putting up numbers in AAA meant instant success at the major league level, rumors would be rampant about teams wanting to pick up 35 year old Cody Ransom, who can play 3B and SS and currently has a 1.055 OPS for Reno and guys like Lyle Mouton would have been major league All Stars.

 

Green's played just 85 games at AAA, and has never played in the majors. The thought that "he has nothing to prove at AAA" is wishful thinking for a guy who was slowed by injuries the previous two seasons. He needs to prove he can put up numbers over a full season at AAA.

 

I'm sure the Brewers are well aware of Green and that Melvin has poured over reports from his scouts and Don Money, who knows a thing or two about playing 3B. But it's obvious they don't think it's smart to stick him in the middle of a heated pennant race.

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If putting up numbers in AAA meant instant success at the major league level, rumors would be rampant about teams wanting to pick up 35 year old Cody Ransom, who can play 3B and SS and currently has a 1.055 OPS for Reno and guys like Lyle Mouton would have been major league All Stars.

 

Green's played just 85 games at AAA, and has never played in the majors. The thought that "he has nothing to prove at AAA" is wishful thinking for a guy who was slowed by injuries the previous two seasons. He needs to prove he can put up numbers over a full season at AAA.

 

I'm sure the Brewers are well aware of Green and that Melvin has poured over reports from his scouts and Don Money, who knows a thing or two about playing 3B. But it's obvious they don't think it's smart to stick him in the middle of a heated pennant race.

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If putting up numbers in AAA meant instant success at the major league level, rumors would be rampant about teams wanting to pick up 35 year old Cody Ransom, who can play 3B and SS and currently has a 1.055 OPS for Reno and guys like Lyle Mouton would have been major league All Stars.

 

Green's played just 85 games at AAA, and has never played in the majors. The thought that "he has nothing to prove at AAA" is wishful thinking for a guy who was slowed by injuries the previous two seasons. He needs to prove he can put up numbers over a full season at AAA.

 

I'm sure the Brewers are well aware of Green and that Melvin has poured over reports from his scouts and Don Money, who knows a thing or two about playing 3B. But it's obvious they don't think it's smart to stick him in the middle of a heated pennant race.

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If putting up numbers in AAA meant instant success at the major league level, rumors would be rampant about teams wanting to pick up 35 year old Cody Ransom, who can play 3B and SS and currently has a 1.055 OPS for Reno and guys like Lyle Mouton would have been major league All Stars.

 

Green's played just 85 games at AAA, and has never played in the majors. The thought that "he has nothing to prove at AAA" is wishful thinking for a guy who was slowed by injuries the previous two seasons. He needs to prove he can put up numbers over a full season at AAA.

 

I'm sure the Brewers are well aware of Green and that Melvin has poured over reports from his scouts and Don Money, who knows a thing or two about playing 3B. But it's obvious they don't think it's smart to stick him in the middle of a heated pennant race.

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If putting up numbers in AAA meant instant success at the major league level, rumors would be rampant about teams wanting to pick up 35 year old Cody Ransom, who can play 3B and SS and currently has a 1.055 OPS for Reno and guys like Lyle Mouton would have been major league All Stars.

 

Green's played just 85 games at AAA, and has never played in the majors. The thought that "he has nothing to prove at AAA" is wishful thinking for a guy who was slowed by injuries the previous two seasons. He needs to prove he can put up numbers over a full season at AAA.

 

I'm sure the Brewers are well aware of Green and that Melvin has poured over reports from his scouts and Don Money, who knows a thing or two about playing 3B. But it's obvious they don't think it's smart to stick him in the middle of a heated pennant race.

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If putting up numbers in AAA meant instant success at the major league level, rumors would be rampant about teams wanting to pick up 35 year old Cody Ransom, who can play 3B and SS and currently has a 1.055 OPS for Reno and guys like Lyle Mouton would have been major league All Stars.

 

Green's played just 85 games at AAA, and has never played in the majors. The thought that "he has nothing to prove at AAA" is wishful thinking for a guy who was slowed by injuries the previous two seasons. He needs to prove he can put up numbers over a full season at AAA.

 

I'm sure the Brewers are well aware of Green and that Melvin has poured over reports from his scouts and Don Money, who knows a thing or two about playing 3B. But it's obvious they don't think it's smart to stick him in the middle of a heated pennant race.

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