Trading for Carlos Beltran or another Outfielder?

[adambr2]

Hart is posting an .814 OPS which is well in line with his career norms. I don't think he has the greatest work ethic on the team, but I don't think by any means he quit or has been bad. Actually he's been about a league average defender in RF again this year as well.

 

I'm not the biggest fan of Corey Hart but I would ask anyone who is disappointed with him this year exactly what they expect out of him.

[RockCoCougars]

I said simply comparing the PLAYERS, Beltran is a better BASEBALL PLAYER than Corey Hart. I understand Hart's contract, I understand Beltran's. No one's disputing that, whatsoever.

 

I got you, Beltran has been better than Hart this year, but this is the trade forum. I'd definitely pull the trigger in fantasy baseball, but I'd be irate if the Brewers did this. As we stand right now, Ryan Vogelsong has pitched better than Greinke in 2011. Would I swap them even up? Absolutely not.

[DannoMac21]

I said simply comparing the PLAYERS, Beltran is a better BASEBALL PLAYER than Corey Hart. I understand Hart's contract, I understand Beltran's. No one's disputing that, whatsoever.

 

I got you, Beltran has been better than Hart this year, but this is the trade forum. I'd definitely pull the trigger in fantasy baseball, but I'd be irate if the Brewers did this. As we stand right now, Ryan Vogelsong has pitched better than Greinke in 2011. Would I swap them even up? Absolutely not.

Corey Hart has nothing on what Carlos Beltran has done in his career...not just THIS season. Hart will never be the player Beltran was.

[HiAndTight]

I said simply comparing the PLAYERS, Beltran is a better BASEBALL PLAYER than Corey Hart. I understand Hart's contract, I understand Beltran's. No one's disputing that, whatsoever.

 

I got you, Beltran has been better than Hart this year, but this is the trade forum. I'd definitely pull the trigger in fantasy baseball, but I'd be irate if the Brewers did this. As we stand right now, Ryan Vogelsong has pitched better than Greinke in 2011. Would I swap them even up? Absolutely not.

Corey Hart has nothing on what Carlos Beltran has done in his career...not just THIS season. Hart will never be the player Beltran was.

Not even close. There was a thread on the Cardinals board in which several suggested he was merely thought of as a good player because of his Astro's playoff performance...which is absurd.

 

He's been a great player for long stretches in his career. Better than Braun has at any point...(at each players best).

[JohnBriggs12]

Great tweet from Joel Sherman (who's been tweeting that Brewers are still pursuing Beltran) quoting an AL executive as saying "Mark Attanasio is a go-for-it guy. He has a big market gene."

 

Exactly why I don't think Fielder in 100% certain to be playing elsewhere in 2012.

[brwrsfan]

I haven't read through this entire thread, but I just fail to see how trading for Beltran makes any sense whatsoever, unless we're trading Hart in another move.

 

1 - Hart can NOT play CF. He tried this before and was brutal at it and he's older and much slower now.

 

2 - Anyone else in CF moves Morgan to the bench. Morgan has the highest average on the team and plays good defense. Yes, he can't play against lefties, but a majority of pitchers are right handed anyway.

 

So where exactly is Beltran going to play? Outside of trading Hart (or moving him to the bench, which would be a complete disaster) or putting Braun back at third (please no)....I just don't see it at all. Not to mention that we don't really have a great prospect to trade for 2 months of Beltran.

[Invader3K]

I don't get it either. Just seems like putting a square peg in a round hole. Granted, we'd be getting a very nice square peg, but I still don't see how it fits with this team. I have to admit I would get excited if he was acquired, but then question the logic of the move for some time.

[PrinceEatMeat]

Heyman just tweeted that he heard via Knobler that the Brewers are trying to get Beltran, but likely won't matchup. More likely to get Barmes.

[markedman5]

http://brewersbeat.mlblog...beltran-melvin-wont-say/

[The Truth]

So where exactly is Beltran going to play?

RF vs rhp. CF vs lhp

 

Corey Hart has a career .878 OPS vs lhp

 

I don't see that getting Beltran is likely, but I think that'd be the plan and would be an upgrade, a significant upgrade for the Brewers. Beltran has a .903 OPS this season. His career OPS vs rhp is .846, vs lhp is .886

[Weirdos19]

I don't see why we wouldn't deal Corey for Beltran.

 

1. It improves us this year.

 

2. We'd get 2 draft picks for Beltran after the season.

 

3. We'd get out of Hart's contract. Last year I thought Corey's contract was team friendly. Now I'm not sure.

 

4. It gets us another LH bat in our lineup against good RH pitching. Do we want Corey facing Halladay, Lincecum, Cain, Hudson, Jurrjens, or even Carpenter in the playoffs? I think not. He's clueless against good RHP.

[Warning Track Power]

Getting more and more prepared to see Carlos Beltran in a Brewers uniform by next week and Corey Hart not in one. Such a lateral move...

 

Having said that, the only thing about this deal that makes even the least bit of sense to me is if MA and DM are clearing Hart's contract to give that money to Prince. If this deal goes down, I believe it is a move to clear payroll to give Prince the $25MM/season he's looking for.

[benji]

Don't know if Hart for Beltran is rumor or speculation on this board, but I agree with those saying that Beltran doesn't make sense. Beltran is better than Hart for sure. If it takes many resources to get Beltran and the Brewers dont have a chance to upgrade 3B or SS because of the cost it is a mistake in my opinion.

[StearnsFTW]

Well, if we acquire Beltran and make the playoffs, we may well be the worst defensive team to ever play in the postseason. That's.....something..........I guess.

[brewmann04]

I just don't know how that going to improve the left side of the infield.

[nate82]

I don't see why we wouldn't deal Corey for Beltran.

 

1. It improves us this year.

 

2. We'd get 2 draft picks for Beltran after the season.

 

3. We'd get out of Hart's contract. Last year I thought Corey's contract was team friendly. Now I'm not sure.

 

4. It gets us another LH bat in our lineup against good RH pitching. Do we want Corey facing Halladay, Lincecum, Cain, Hudson, Jurrjens, or even Carpenter in the playoffs? I think not. He's clueless against good RHP.

Your first part maybe true but point number two is false. Beltran can't be offered arbitration so no compensation picks for Beltran.

[HiAndTight]

Well, if we acquire Beltran and make the playoffs, we may well be the worst defensive team to ever play in the postseason. That's.....something..........I guess.

I don't see how you could say Beltran is anything but an upgrade to our corner OF spots.

[endaround]

I think the fear is that Beltran would play CF at least against LHers.

[DannoMac21]

2. We'd get 2 draft picks for Beltran after the season.

That's untrue.

[RockCoCougars]

It would be the height of stupidity to trade an asset like Hart for a rental like Beltran UNLESS they have an extension for Fielder in the can, and they need to shed salary to make it work. The odds of that are probably .1%, so I say bad deal here.

[The Truth]

I think the fear is that Beltran would play CF at least against LHers.

Considering that we have a manager who will put Kotsay at CF, that is still an upgrade!

 

Beltrans' deficiencies in CF plus Beltran's bat are still an upgrade over Brett Carroll or Mark Kotsay, right? We're talking about maybe 2 games a week. The rest of the time he'd be in RF

[DHonks]

pretty simple to me. Beltran plays CF vs lefties and plays RF vs righties.

[StearnsFTW]

I think the fear is that Beltran would play CF at least against LHers.

Considering that we have a manager who will put Kotsay at CF, that is still an upgrade!

 

Beltrans' deficiencies in CF plus Beltran's bat are still an upgrade over Brett Carroll or Mark Kotsay, right? We're talking about maybe 2 games a week. The rest of the time he'd be in RF

I was speaking strictly defensively. The net is a positive because only about 1/3 of the games would put Beltran in CF. And I don't believe he's much of an upgrade in RF defensively. The defense of Luc, Fielder, Weeks, Betancourt, McGehee, Braun, Beltran and Hart would be an abomination. That's all I was saying.

[Invader3K]

Heyman keeps mentioning the Rangers and Giants being in on Beltran. No mention of the Brewers, which makes me think Melvin has moved on from this idea.

[Warning Track Power]

Heyman keeps mentioning the Rangers and Giants being in on Beltran. No mention of the Brewers, which makes me think Melvin has moved on from this idea.

Please! Like I've said previously, the only way a Beltran deal makes sense is if Hart is involved and it is a means to clear salary to afford a Prince extension.

 

Let's focus on making 3 modest moves for an SS (Ryan/Barmes), a backup IF (Carroll) and a backup OF (Reed Johnson, Ryan Spilborghs) instead of the big splash