Trading for Carlos Beltran or another Outfielder?

[StearnsFTW]

If we could somehow make sure to sign Beltran for the next 2-3 seasons we could afford to trade Gamel+ for him. The Mets do have Wright and Ike Davis at the corner but they could consider throwing Gamel in the Corner OF, Corey Hart only played 4 games in the OF before AAA. Next season we could go Hart 3, Morgan 8, Braun 7, Beltran 9, Weeks 4, Lucroy 2, McGehee/Green 5, SS 6. We will have the money with Prince coming off the books, but still a big hole at SS. Also, Beltran is 34 so aging and injuries make him a big risk but make it more likely we could get him to agree to a 3-year deal.

 

However, for the remainder of this season we suddenly have by far the best lineup in the NL, and most of the time have Hart on the bench ready to pinch hit since he wouldnt start against a RHP.

I agree with a lot of this. Couple of problems are: Beltran would be a huge risk on a 3 year deal, but I might take that gamble. We can do that either way. Secondly, our defense would be unbelievably terrible against LHP this season. It's pretty tough to make our defense worse, but this would do it.

[Warning Track Power]

Sorry guys...The only way I am trading a Gamel, Thornburg or Peralta or package of them is if it is for a David Wright or Ryan Zimmerman at 3B or Hanley Ramirez at SS. In fact, I would be more than comfortable on July 21, 2011 trading that package and almost entirely emptying our farm system for David Wright or Hanley Ramirez. Having three cornerstones on offense with Braun, Weeks and Wright/Ramirez would keep the window open a lot longer and assuming we could sign Greinke and/or Marcum, I would feel real nice about our team for the next 3-4 years.

[rcon14]

Only way I can see a Beltran trade happening is a 3-team deal that involves Corey Hart going to a 3rd team, that 3rd team sending back a SS to MIL and prospects to NY, and MIL sending prospects. Crazy, but I can't see it otherwise.

[ramssuperbowl99]

Sorry guys...The only way I am trading a Gamel, Thornburg or Peralta or package of them is if it is for a David Wright or Ryan Zimmerman at 3B or Hanley Ramirez at SS. In fact, I would be more than comfortable on July 21, 2011 trading that package and almost entirely emptying our farm system for David Wright or Hanley Ramirez. Having three cornerstones on offense with Braun, Weeks and Wright/Ramirez would keep the window open a lot longer and assuming we could sign Greinke and/or Marcum, I would feel real nice about our team for the next 3-4 years.

Too bad New York or Florida would hang up the phone laughing.

Couple years ago the Red Sox called about Hanley - Theo offered something like Lester, Pedroia, Ellsbury. The Marlins hung up in 20 seconds.

[rcon14]

Sorry guys...The only way I am trading a Gamel, Thornburg or Peralta or package of them is if it is for a David Wright or Ryan Zimmerman at 3B or Hanley Ramirez at SS. In fact, I would be more than comfortable on July 21, 2011 trading that package and almost entirely emptying our farm system for David Wright or Hanley Ramirez. Having three cornerstones on offense with Braun, Weeks and Wright/Ramirez would keep the window open a lot longer and assuming we could sign Greinke and/or Marcum, I would feel real nice about our team for the next 3-4 years.

Too bad New York or Florida would hang up the phone laughing.

Couple years ago the Red Sox called about Hanley - Theo offered something like Lester, Pedroia, Ellsbury. The Marlins hung up in 20 seconds.

 

Haha, WHOOPS!

[jjkoestler]

Sorry guys...The only way I am trading a Gamel, Thornburg or Peralta or package of them is if it is for a David Wright or Ryan Zimmerman at 3B or Hanley Ramirez at SS. In fact, I would be more than comfortable on July 21, 2011 trading that package and almost entirely emptying our farm system for David Wright or Hanley Ramirez. Having three cornerstones on offense with Braun, Weeks and Wright/Ramirez would keep the window open a lot longer and assuming we could sign Greinke and/or Marcum, I would feel real nice about our team for the next 3-4 years.

Too bad New York or Florida would hang up the phone laughing.

Couple years ago the Red Sox called about Hanley - Theo offered something like Lester, Pedroia, Ellsbury. The Marlins hung up in 20 seconds.

That is incorrect. The package was big, but not insane. Ellsbury & Buchholz were the rumored centerpieces.

[FoxyFoxes]

"The package was big, not insane"............

 

that's what she said?

 

But seriously, I don't see the Brewers trading Prince in the middle of this run. I also don't see Hart making a position change in the middle of the run either. Therefore, I cannot see this trade happening.

[paul253]

I keep seeing rumors about Milwaukee inquiring about Beltran and then either playing him in center or moving Hart to center. That makes no sense to me. I'd say both the offense and defense are better with Nyger Morgan in center field. Someone mentioned it earlier, but unless Corey Hart is part of the trade I see no need for Carlos Beltran. If we are going to make a move it needs to be for a shortstop. I'd rather call Taylor Green up to replace McGehee than to make a trade for a third basemen. At the very least the defense would be better and I can't imagine Green hitting much worse than McGehee.

[brewerfan82]

Gosh heck it. Hart, Green, Gamel, and whatever else it takes for Beltran, Reyes and Wright... hmmm...

[nate82]

Apparently the Mets are looking at Zack Wheeler, Brandon Belt, and Gary Brown from the Giants. None of those players should even be mentioned in a trade for Beltran as in any one of those players is a sever over pay. The Mets better get serious or they are going to be stuck with Beltran. If I am a GM I would just hang up on the Mets GM and start laughing at him in the process of hanging up the phone. No way Beltran is worth any of those players.

[pingman]

agree, the Muts are crazy.....they deserve to be stuck with Beltran then watch him wave bye-bye via free agency.....per the Atlanta papers the latest is Beltran & Boras have a clause in the contract that Beltran can NOT be offered arbitration this winter therefore the team holding his contract will NOT get draft choices.....YIKES

 

1) Phillies.....Muts want Dom Brown + more.....you've got to be kidding

2) Braves.... Muts have been scouting Minor but would "settle" for any of the big 4 (Teheran, Delgado, Vizcaino) .....please Braves, just say "no"

3) Giants.... see above ....also a joke

[jmeks23]

Apparently now the Brewers are the dark horses on Beltran again. Still cannot figure out why for the life of me. Beltran can't play CF, and he would take Morgan's playing time anyway which isn't necessarily a good thing at this point. He'll probably cost a decent amount, even though he shouldn't because he's a Borass client and part of the deal would be not offering arby. Unless Hart is traded in this deal or another there would be no plausible reason why to trade for Beltran.

[RockCoCougars]

I think the Mets are going to be stuck with Beltran on August 1st unless they are willing to take a lot less. I wouldn't give up much more than a couple of A ball prospects for a 2 month rental. I don't see a fit with the Brewers... unless they are going to pull a Mickey Stanley and move him to shortstop.

[Invader3K]

Could this possibly be some kind of crazy three way trade where Hart is dealt to a third team, Beltran comes to the Brewers, and the Mets get one decent prospect from each of the other two teams? Just a thought.

[RockCoCougars]

All things considered, I'd prefer Hart over Beltran and it's not even close.

[Invader3K]

Yeah, I wouldn't be in favor of dealing Hart for two months of Beltran and no draft pick compensation. Just speculating.

[Invader3K]

Michael Bourn of the Astros is supposedly available. I wonder if Doug Melvin kicks the tires at least.

[Warning Track Power]

This situation is reminiscent of the Carl Pavano flirtation in the offseason. Everyday I pray I read that Beltran is traded somewhere not Milwaukee because it makes zero sense and like RockCo said, "I prefer Hart over Beltran and its not even close."

[Bernman23]

What about trading for Franklin Gutierrez, if the Mariners would agree to pick up some of his salary? I'm thinking like 1 million this year and 2.5 each of the next 2. He has to be viewed as a disaster right now in Seattle where in the 2nd year of a 4-year/20 million dollar contract he's sporting a .461 OPS through 182 AB's. But for our purposes he'd be part of a platoon only facing lefties who he has hit a much more respectable .630. That's coming off a 3-year split where he hit .818 against them. And Seattle can be hell for hitters. For example, Cirillo went in the tank there before reviving his career with the Crew. Chone Figgins has been brutal there as well. If a change of ballparks doesn't get Gutierrez out of his slump, at least he'd still bring an outstanding glove and plus baserunner, ala Gomez. In addition to being part of a CF platoon he could provide some relief/insurance for Braun and Hart, for this and the next couple of years.

[brewmann04]

I think the Brewers can add a Hitter as well as some defense all in guys

[HiAndTight]

All things considered, I'd prefer Hart over Beltran and it's not even close.

I assume all things really comes down to one being a rental, because Beltran's so clearly a superior player to Hart.

[RockCoCougars]

All things considered, I'd prefer Hart over Beltran and it's not even close.

I assume all things really comes down to one being a rental, because Beltran's so clearly a superior player to Hart.

He's been better this season in a contract year, but he's old and has been injured a ton the past few years. I certainly would rather have Hart for the next two seasons at what he is signed for than Beltran. For this season, Beltran will make about as much from this point forward as Hart will the entire year. Beltran is aging and overpaid, and I don't think that it's a stretch to project Hart putting up better numbers for the rest of this season, 2012 and 2013. We aren't even factoring in the haul the Mets want in return for him. I would want no part in signing Beltran after this season either.

[DannoMac21]

All things considered, I'd prefer Hart over Beltran and it's not even close.

I assume all things really comes down to one being a rental, because Beltran's so clearly a superior player to Hart.

He's been better this season in a contract year, but he's old and has been injured a ton the past few years. I certainly would rather have Hart for the next two seasons at what he is signed for than Beltran. For this season, Beltran will make about as much from this point forward as Hart will the entire year. Beltran is aging and overpaid, and I don't think that it's a stretch to project Hart putting up better numbers for the rest of this season, 2012 and 2013. We aren't even factoring in the haul the Mets want in return for him. I would want no part in signing Beltran after this season either.

But talking about the players in general, contracts and future contracts aside, Beltran is a better baseball player than Corey Hart.

[RockCoCougars]

I assume all things really comes down to one being a rental, because Beltran's so clearly a superior player to Hart.

He's been better this season in a contract year, but he's old and has been injured a ton the past few years. I certainly would rather have Hart for the next two seasons at what he is signed for than Beltran. For this season, Beltran will make about as much from this point forward as Hart will the entire year. Beltran is aging and overpaid, and I don't think that it's a stretch to project Hart putting up better numbers for the rest of this season, 2012 and 2013. We aren't even factoring in the haul the Mets want in return for him. I would want no part in signing Beltran after this season either.

But talking about the players in general, contracts and future contracts aside, Beltran is a better baseball player than Corey Hart.

As we stand right now for the 2011 season, yes. A year from now after he's gotten paid? Questionable. He's no spring chicken, and he's been injured/pedestrian the past few years- obviously, he's playing for a contract right now.

 

Simply put

 

Hart locked in for next 2 seasons >>>>>>> 2 month Beltran rental

[DannoMac21]

He's been better this season in a contract year, but he's old and has been injured a ton the past few years. I certainly would rather have Hart for the next two seasons at what he is signed for than Beltran. For this season, Beltran will make about as much from this point forward as Hart will the entire year. Beltran is aging and overpaid, and I don't think that it's a stretch to project Hart putting up better numbers for the rest of this season, 2012 and 2013. We aren't even factoring in the haul the Mets want in return for him. I would want no part in signing Beltran after this season either.

But talking about the players in general, contracts and future contracts aside, Beltran is a better baseball player than Corey Hart.

As we stand right now for the 2011 season, yes. A year from now after he's gotten paid? Questionable. He's no spring chicken, and he's been injured/pedestrian the past few years- obviously, he's playing for a contract right now.

 

Simply put

 

Hart locked in for next 2 seasons >>>>>>> 2 month Beltran rental

I said simply comparing the PLAYERS, Beltran is a better BASEBALL PLAYER than Corey Hart. I understand Hart's contract, I understand Beltran's. No one's disputing that, whatsoever.

I don't think it's "obvious" he's playing for a contract right now. Look at his stats when healthy after the contract the Mets gave him. It's not like the dude quits or has been bad...like Hart this year after his contract.