Trading for Carlos Beltran or another Outfielder?

[JohnBriggs12]

The other problem with Beltran is that his contract specifically states he won't be offered arbitration after this season, so you don't get any comp picks when he leaves in free agency.

I don't see that as a problem. It's just the opposite. Teams looking at Beltran aren't going to be offering as much to get him and the Mets aren't giving up as much either.

[PrinceEatMeat]

I just don't see Melvin being able to put together the right package to satisfy the Mets. All indications are that they are looking for a lot in return for Beltran. Don't see it happening, especially with all the other teams in the running for him. And if our top prospects are heading out, I want a really good SS or 3B in return. Someone that we'd have beyond this year.

[Invader3K]

So many reasons this makes no sense to me...

 

1. Any acquisition of Beltran would likely require us to part with Peralta, Thornburg or Gamel. No thanks for a 2 month rental without arbitration picks

2. He's blocked by Braun and Hart at the corner OF and he's not a CF. I have no interest in dealing Hart for a guy who will leave in 2 months. If we deal Hart it shouldn't be for his 2 month replacement.

3. If DM is deadset on using trade chips like a Thornburg, use them to upgrade a true need position like 3B or SS. If he's going to create a Gamel, Thornburg and Peralta package I'd much rather see David Wright at 3B or Hanley Ramirez at SS (or someone of their talent level) then Carlos Beltran in the OF. He isn't the difference maker that those other two or their equivalents are.

 

A Beltran deal will frustrate me to no end.

I agree that if you're going to really gut the farm system any further, it should be for an infielder around for more than just this season.

[JohnBriggs12]

So many reasons this makes no sense to me...

 

1. Any acquisition of Beltran would likely require us to part with Peralta, Thornburg or Gamel. No thanks for a 2 month rental without arbitration picks

2. He's blocked by Braun and Hart at the corner OF and he's not a CF. I have no interest in dealing Hart for a guy who will leave in 2 months. If we deal Hart it shouldn't be for his 2 month replacement.

3. If DM is deadset on using trade chips like a Thornburg, use them to upgrade a true need position like 3B or SS. If he's going to create a Gamel, Thornburg and Peralta package I'd much rather see David Wright at 3B or Hanley Ramirez at SS (or someone of their talent level) then Carlos Beltran in the OF. He isn't the difference maker that those other two or their equivalents are.

 

A Beltran deal will frustrate me to no end.

Carlos Beltran is not blocked by Corey Hart nor would they trade Hart to get him. Hart would be blocked by Beltran until the end of the season against RHP. Hart may not like it, but he's under contract through 2013 and there's not much he could do about it. Beltran's OPS vs RHP is .952. Hart's is .762. Beltran would only play CF vs. LHP.

 

I'm not so sure the Brewers are as sold on Gamel as the 1B next year as many on here are. Trading for Beltran, might put the Brewers in position to sign Beltran in the off season with some of the Fielder money, and to then trade Hart or move him or Beltran to 1B.

 

A lineup against RHP of Morgan, Beltran, Braun, Fielder, Weeks would be very impressive. Against LHP, it would be Hart, Beltran, Braun, Fielder and Weeks and equally imposing. In either case, it would leave either Morgan or Hart as bench threats too.

[Warning Track Power]

Carlos Beltran is not blocked by Corey Hart nor would they trade Hart to get him. Hart would be blocked by Beltran until the end of the season against RHP. Hart may not like it, but he's under contract through 2013 and there's not much he could do about it. Beltran's OPS vs RHP is .952. Hart's is .762. Beltran would only play CF vs. LHP.

 

I'm not so sure the Brewers are as sold on Gamel as the 1B next year as many on here are. Trading for Beltran, might put the Brewers in position to sign Beltran in the off season with some of the Fielder money, and to then trade Hart or move him or Beltran to 1B.

I seriously doubt we would re-sign Beltran in your scenario, mainly because the Brewers will need the cash to re-sign Greinke and/or Marcum. I could absolutely see Hart or Braun moving to 1B and us going after an OF, but I don't see us spending the amount of $ necessary to re-sign Beltran (at least $10+MM per year and more likely $13-$15MM) given Greinke and Marcum's impending free agency after 2012.

[DannoMac21]

If it's Olney's theory, and we don't give up a whole lot, then I'm fine with that.

 

Why wouldn't you want a guy who's batting nearly .300 with 16 HR's in your outfield? It would make our lineup that much more dangerous.

 

Don't rip me apart BF!

[PrinceEatMeat]

No doubt you take him if it doesn't cost much. I just doubt that's the case. I think anyone would take Beltran on their team without having to give up much.

[TooLiveBrew]

The Mets' indications that they'd take on most or all of Beltran's remaining salary certainly suggests that they're not looking to get just a flyer for him. However, if no team is willing to step up & pay what the Mets hope to get, in terms of prospects, the Mets will just have to take what's out there. As Invader mentioned earlier in this thread, they can't offer him arby & get comp pick(s) for him.

[Hammer]

I still wish a 3 team trade was possible. Fielder to the AL, Beltran to the Brewers and a great prospect from the AL team to the Mets. Move either Hart or Braun to 1st and call the OF good. I know it won't happen but I'm just sayin...

[endaround]

What does the trade actually do? Neither Hart nor Braun is ready to play 1B and trading away Fielder for Beltran accomplishes very little while the Brewers lose draft picks.

[Hammer]

Neither Braun or Hart could possibly be as bad as Prince over at 1st. Hart was drafted as a 1st baseman and his wingspan alone should make a significant improvement to the left side of the IF's throwing accuracy. Add the fact that Hart seems to be slowing down very quickly in the OF and 1st seems a natural fit for him sooner than later...

[RockCoCougars]

I'll pass on Beltran. He will be extremely expensive in terms of prospects, and I want no part of resigning him. He's having a nice season, but so is Melky Cabrera- who is also reportedly on the market, can still play center field and switch hit. I would guess Cabrera would be much cheaper than Beltran.

[StearnsFTW]

I still wish a 3 team trade was possible. Fielder to the AL, Beltran to the Brewers and a great prospect from the AL team to the Mets. Move either Hart or Braun to 1st and call the OF good. I know it won't happen but I'm just sayin...

This makes the Brewers worse and costs them draft picks.

 

Now, if the AL team were kicking a great prospect to the Brewers as well as the Mets, it'd make more sense. Still wouldn't do it, but your proposal doesn't help us at all. It makes us marginally better defensively (and that's up for debate) and worse offensively. I don't see the point.

[Hammer]

This makes the Brewers worse and costs them draft picks.

 

Now, if the AL team were kicking a great prospect to the Brewers as well as the Mets, it'd make more sense. Still wouldn't do it, but your proposal doesn't help us at all. It makes us marginally better defensively (and that's up for debate) and worse offensively. I don't see the point.

If I had Bfan title it would be "Official theorist of the removal of Prince". I'd do nearly any trade to get that DH off of this team. Last night was yet another reason he belongs in the AL...

[StearnsFTW]

This makes the Brewers worse and costs them draft picks.

 

Now, if the AL team were kicking a great prospect to the Brewers as well as the Mets, it'd make more sense. Still wouldn't do it, but your proposal doesn't help us at all. It makes us marginally better defensively (and that's up for debate) and worse offensively. I don't see the point.

If I had Bfan title it would be "Official theorist of the removal of Prince". I'd do nearly any trade to get that DH off of this team. Last night was yet another reason he belongs in the AL...

I know...............he's very frustrating. You just have to wait 3 more months and you'll get your wish.

[RockCoCougars]

I think Prince is voted the NL MVP at this point, despite the poor defense and recent slump at the plate. No way this team would be in first place right now without him, so why would you move him?

[fondybrewfan]

But jeez his defense has just fallen off the charts this year. It seems that he boots anything that isn't a Sunday hop. His offense still makes him plenty valueable but that 8th inning yesterday is a perfect example of him having a major effect on the outcome of the game due to his poor defense.

[The Truth]

I wonder if Marlon Byrd is a possibility at all? More of a natural CF than Beltran these days. Signed through 2012 but the Cubs may be looking to dump salary

[The Truth]

I'll pass on Beltran. He will be extremely expensive in terms of prospects, and I want no part of resigning him. He's having a nice season, but so is Melky Cabrera- who is also reportedly on the market, can still play center field and switch hit. I would guess Cabrera would be much cheaper than Beltran.

The problem with Cabrera is that even though he's a switch-hitter, he's much more effective batting left vs rhp than batting right vs lhp. Not as good of a match for us...just a .686 career OPS as a right-handed batter

[brewmann04]

did anyone see Beltan last night in the field.

[Warning Track Power]

I wonder if Marlon Byrd is a possibility at all? More of a natural CF than Beltran these days. Signed through 2012 but the Cubs may be looking to dump salary

I'm much more in the corner of trying to acquire Byrd, Reed Johnson or Kosuke Fukudome as a backup OF for the rest of the season than going after Beltran. Byrd is signed through next season though with a $6.5MM contract. Kind of expensive for somone who would likely be your 4th OF even this season. Same thing with Fukudome, who is owed about $7MM for the rest of this season. Cubs would have to eat a lot of cost for me to do it but both players would be very good fits for the Brewers this season given Gomez's injury and Braun's nagging one.

 

I'd prefer Fukudome and if the Cubs would eat $4.5-5MM of his salary and we'd be on the hook for $2-2.5 I think I would do it.

[The Truth]

Well we now need more than just a backup OF. We need a platoon partner for Morgan. Morgan simply cannot hit LHP

[StearnsFTW]

did anyone see Beltan last night in the field.

No, but I can imagine it wasn't good.

 

He just makes no sense for this team. I'd love to have him if our situation was different, but it is what it is.

[nate82]

If the Brewers are going to give up a good prospect they should trade for B.J. Upton and not Beltran. Upton actually has some good numbers against lefties this year and he actually should be in a platoon. This would be the perfect platoon option with Morgan. Plus it gives the Brewers another versatile bat on the bench. I am just not sure what the Rays would want in return for Upton supposedly they are looking for relief pitching help but I think the Rays could do better than what the Brewers have right now in terms of options for relief help. Drew Storen comes to mind here for a trade for Upton but that is more than likely overpaying for Upton on the Nationals part.

I wonder if the Blue Jays would be willing to listen on Rajai Davis as he would be a good platoon option with Morgan.

[topper09er]

If we could somehow make sure to sign Beltran for the next 2-3 seasons we could afford to trade Gamel+ for him. The Mets do have Wright and Ike Davis at the corner but they could consider throwing Gamel in the Corner OF, Corey Hart only played 4 games in the OF before AAA. Next season we could go Hart 3, Morgan 8, Braun 7, Beltran 9, Weeks 4, Lucroy 2, McGehee/Green 5, SS 6. We will have the money with Prince coming off the books, but still a big hole at SS. Also, Beltran is 34 so aging and injuries make him a big risk but make it more likely we could get him to agree to a 3-year deal.

 

However, for the remainder of this season we suddenly have by far the best lineup in the NL, and most of the time have Hart on the bench ready to pinch hit since he wouldnt start against a RHP.