K-Rod (and cash) acquired; The cost? LH reliever Daniel Ray Herrera and low-A RHP Adrian Rosario

[razzzorsharp]

ESPN just said the Brewers defense is solid. Huh, didn't know.

[Glennron]

I don't mean this to be sarcastic in any way. If we just got K-Rod on the cheap, how does that make Bell more expensive? Doesn't taking a team who needs a reliever out of the equation create a smaller, less expensive market?

I'm guessing he meant it as a fewer options, so other teams would be willing to spend a bit more to get a guy like Bell.

[Tbadder]

Duh...got it...thanks.

Good point on Loe. What a motivator for Doug.

[bucksman4]

So Ron....is Loe still your "8th inning guy?"

[Oldcity]

So if the Brewers buy him out, can they still offer him arby as a Type A? Because that makes this a great move. I feel like that isn't the case, though.

[jimmyjeromehardy7]

I don't mean this to be sarcastic in any way. If we just got K-Rod on the cheap, how does that make Bell more expensive? Doesn't taking a team who needs a reliever out of the equation create a smaller, less expensive market?

You are looking at the demand side but the supply is also less now which raises the price of the remaining relievers out there.

 

Did I just use Econ 101 on brewerfan.net?

 

[BadgerBen in KC]

Kurkjian just said there is no way the Brewers allow K Rod to finish 55 games. Will close some, however. If it comes down to it, and he hits the 55, it will be worth it if the Brewers make the playoffs.

 

Does that 55 games include the playoffs?

[TonyGwynnJr22]

Why wouldn't the Mets just have moved him to set up role for the last quarter or so of the season when they are out of the race, thus avoiding the 55 games finished? I know the fans wouldn't like this, but they aren't going to be happy with this trade either.

[hawing]

Thanks for keeping me up later than expected, Doug.

I wonder who leaves the bullpen now, and under what circumstances (DFA or trade or ???).

 

[DatHoser]

Tbadder - my take is the crew wasn't even in the market for a closer, so the number of teams vying for a closer doesn't change. However, the number of available closers just went down one. Then again, I've been known to mistakes from time to time. http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif

 

Edit: jeez I'm slow typing tonight - too excited

[jimmyjeromehardy7]

Aren't we a man down after Scarpetta was sent back to Huntsville on Sunday? So no corresponding move will be needed for now.

And the BP was short with Gamel being up until Sunday too.

[pmallon]

I'm guessing we won't know the players for a while. I think they have 6 months to name the PTBNL. It will be a lot like the CC trade where we give them a list of players and they decided after the Minor League season has finished as to which ones they want.

[trwi7]

Why wouldn't the Mets just have moved him to set up role for the last quarter or so of the season when they are out of the race, thus avoiding the 55 games finished? I know the fans wouldn't like this, but they aren't going to be happy with this trade either.

 

It's not the fans who wouldn't like it, it's the union. It would be pretty obvious what the Mets were doing if he was still pitching well and they just randomly took him out of the closer's role.

[hawing]

Aren't we a man down after Scarpetta was sent back to Huntsville on Sunday? So no corresponding move will be needed for now.

And the BP was short with Gamel being up until Sunday too.

Agreed - an immediate corresponding move may not be necessary...but doesn't it seem like the Brewers have a surplus of relievers now? Maybe not all awesome relievers, but still. Plus they still need a different SS.

[bucks2281]

Kurkjian just said there is no way the Brewers allow K Rod to finish 55 games. Will close some, however. If it comes down to it, and he hits the 55, it will be worth it if the Brewers make the playoffs.

 

Does that 55 games include the playoffs?

I would say no, but if game 55 is Game 6 of the World Series and they absolutely need him to close, they'll do it.

 

I like this deal because it by and large limits the amount of damage that RRR can do in late innings. Kameron Loe shouldn't see any high leverage innings anymore.

 

 

[Mr QL]

okay, so it's finishing 55 games, not just 55 appearances. That makes me feel a lot better. Still a little uncomfortable with it tho,

[Oldcity]

Best part of this: that clause will keep us from having to watch him celebrate like an idiot after a save.

Edit: I can't believe he's only 29. Seems like he's been around forever.

[PrinceEatMeat]

On the Cards forum Thornburg was mentioned but it's just speculating.

 

http://interact.stltoday....&postorder=asc&&start=24

The second post on there makes me laugh. The guy says it's stupid to trade two prospects for a high paid reliever, because what we really need is a starter or two. Lol. What an idiot. He's just jealous.

[MJLiverock]

MLB Network showed a stat right about the time they interviewed Prince and Rickie about the trade, the brewers bullpen has lost 20 games this year, the most in the majors. I didn't realize it was that bad in comparison. This looks like a pretty good deal to fill a. Hole that was hurting the team. Shouldn't preclude getting a SS either since it doesn't sound like much was given up.

[topper09er]

Francisco Rodriguez rhp

 

3 years/$37M (2009-11), plus 2012 option

signed by NY Mets as a free agent 12/9/08

$2M signing bonus

09:$8.5M, 10:$11.5M, 11:$11.5M, 12:$17.5M option ($3.5M buyout)

2012 option becomes guaranteed with:

55 games finished in 2011, and

100 games finished in 2010-11, and

doctors declare Rodriguez healthy after 2011

Rodriguez receives $3.5M termination buyout if 2012 option does not become guaranteed

annual performance bonuses, 2009-11:

$0.15M each for 50, 55 GF; $0.2M for 60 GF

[Raw Biz]

On the Cards forum Thornburg was mentioned but it's just speculating.

 

http://interact.stltoday....&postorder=asc&&start=24

The second post on there makes me laugh. The guy says it's stupid to trade two prospects for a high paid reliever, because what we really need is a starter or two. Lol. What an idiot. He's just jealous.

Multiple people think we still need starting pitching. I'm confused as to why. Maybe they think our staff should be comprised of all ace-quality pitchers. Also, they think Axford is pushed to the 8th. People can be really dumb sometimes.

 

Edit: Also, they "heard" that Thornburg and Hunter Morris are the two players.

[topper09er]

K-Rod career:

 

Split	G	PA	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	BB	SO	SO/BB	BA	OBP	SLG	OPS
vs RHB as RHP	535	1260	1105	113	199	44	2	21	130	408	3.14	.180	.270	.281	.551
vs LHB as RHP	539	1295	1133	133	246	53	4	26	143	365	2.55	.217	.305	.340	.645

[Glennron]

A good amount of that was in the American League, too. Not that the AL West was/is known for it's offense, but still.

[topper09er]

Edit: Also, they "heard" that Thornburg and Hunter Morris are the two players.

This is the best post:

 

Karmaloop

I'm pretty sure Thornburg,

the Brewers representative in the Future's Game, will be included in

this deal. Also heard their first baseman they drafted last year might be included, Hunter Morris.

 

 

 

Again, if a player in the futures game was involved, it would have been named right away so the Mets could save face. This was about money.

[danzig6767]

Between what he's owed the rest of the season and his 3.5 million dollar buyout for next year, that's around 8 to 8.5 million dollars to pitch maybe 25 innings the rest of the way.

 

We know the Mets included some cash, so if people were to guess, what would be that guess? I'd guess the Mets cover at least his 3.5 million dollar his buyout.