Aramis Ramirez

[PrinceEatMeat]

Trade for Ramirez and Furcal, Weeks comes back.

 

Weeks

Morgan

Braun

Fielder

Ramirez

Hart

Furcal

Lucroy

 

That is one crazy good lineup. Won't happen, but we can still dream.

[Brewer Fever]

This needs to happen. Honestly I think it's the one player available who would put the Brewers over the top. And with A-Ram's biggest concern being moving his family, Milwaukee would be a welcome fit for him I'd imagine. Buy him Mark.

[RockCoCougars]

After today's game, Ramirez said he would actually be open to waiving his no-trade clause if the Cubs came to him with a proposal. I'm afraid he isn't even a blip on DM's radar though with Casey hitting better over the past week or so.

His agent probably got in his ear about a clause vesting the option if he agrees to a trade. The Cubs would have to kick in money (a big chunk of what they are on the hook for- rest of this year + buyout) for me to even consider that.

[Brewer Fever]

The link also said he'd probably want that option waived so he could become a FA at year's end. That works for me.

 

This needs to happen.

[PrinceEatMeat]

I agree. This is really the only game changing move Melvin can make at this point. He should do it for sure if possible. Ramirez would look great in the 5 hole.

[RockCoCougars]

The link also said he'd probably want that option waived so he could become a FA at year's end. That works for me.

 

This needs to happen.

That seems like a foolish move on his part, but if that's the case, I could get on board. As a rental, there isn't too much risk.

[Warning Track Power]

Guys I really hate to be a wet blanket on this because I would love him in Milwaukee as well but if he truly is waiving his no trade clause the Angels will get this done. Now, if like Brewer Fever says and it is truly about A-Ram not wanting to move his family and stay close, well yeah, the Brewers are the obvious choice. But to me the cost of getting him will be higher than it already is for the Cubs to help us try to win the World Series. Think Gamel and one of Peralta or Thornburg.

 

Flip the situation...what would it take for you to trade Prince to the Cubs or Cards and help them win the World Series if we were 20 games under .500 right now? Without even hesitating I would ask for Castro and if they didn't want to move him then they can start with their Top 2 prospects in the system. I'm not about to help the Cubs and Cards win without them overpaying big time when I can just as easily trade him to someone who isn't our rival. Imagine the heat Hendry would take if A-Ram led us to a World Series and a championship. No matter what Gamel and Peralta did, even if they were the second coming of Ryne Sandberg and Ferguson Jenkins, that trade would still be a blemish on Cubs history.

[Brewer Fever]

The link also said he'd probably want that option waived so he could become a FA at year's end. That works for me.

 

This needs to happen.

That seems like a foolish move on his part, but if that's the case, I could get on board. As a rental, there isn't too much risk.

At this point I'd do it even if A-Ram wanted the option to vest. He could be Prince's replacement in the lineup and on the payroll for one year.

 

More importantly, he'd fill the gaping hole defensively at 3rd base, the gaping hole in the lineup that is Casey McGehee, and most of all he'd fill the gaping hole that is the 5-spot of the Brewers lineup.

 

I can't think of a more perfect fit available on the market. This would put the Brewers over the top imo.

[jpat]

Guys I really hate to be a wet blanket on this because I would love him in Milwaukee as well but if he truly is waiving his no trade clause the Angels will get this done. Now, if like Brewer Fever says and it is truly about A-Ram not wanting to move his family and stay close, well yeah, the Brewers are the obvious choice. But to me the cost of getting him will be higher than it already is for the Cubs to help us try to win the World Series. Think Gamel and one of Peralta or Thornburg.

 

Flip the situation...what would it take for you to trade Prince to the Cubs or Cards and help them win the World Series if we were 20 games under .500 right now? Without even hesitating I would ask for Castro and if they didn't want to move him then they can start with their Top 2 prospects in the system. I'm not about to help the Cubs and Cards win without them overpaying big time when I can just as easily trade him to someone who isn't our rival. Imagine the heat Hendry would take if A-Ram led us to a World Series and a championship. No matter what Gamel and Peralta did, even if they were the second coming of Ryne Sandberg and Ferguson Jenkins, that trade would still be a blemish on Cubs history.

I don't think it would take Gamel + Peralta/Thornburg. If the Cubs want to get rid of him, it's for salary relief. If we take the rest of his salary, the Cubs don't get a top prospect. We could just throw Taylor Green their way and maybe that would get it done. I'm not so great with trade proposals, but that would seem reasonable in a salary dump trade. Of course, I would definitely make sure he waives that vesting option.

[Brewer Fever]

Now, if like Brewer Fever says and it is truly about A-Ram not wanting to move his family and stay close, well yeah, the Brewers are the obvious choice.

In Chicago they talk about it all the time. I'll try and dig up a link. If it is true, I'd have to imagine Milwaukee would be 2nd choice for him after the White Sox. And with the state of flux the Sox are in, the fact that Ramirez had this apparent change of heart in Milwaukee, might not just be coincidence.

[jpat]

@Brewer Fever: That's another point I forgot to bring up. Why did this all of a sudden come about after completing a series in Milwaukee?

 

It's all just speculation, but who knows?

[Brewer Fever]

His desire to stay close to family briefly mentioned in this link from his possible change of heart today...

 

http://chicago.cubs.mlb.c...ey=news_chc&c_id=chc

 

 

 

There probably are a few teams who would be interested in a third

baseman who is batting .293 for the season, with nine homers and 22

RBIs in July. But Ramirez recently said he wanted to stay in Chicago

because of his family.

 

"That's not a secret," Ramirez said. "Everybody knows that. But

I also understand this is a business. I don't know which way they want

to go. If they're looking to rebuild, [and] I can't fit in, we'll see.

[Brewer Fever]

Here's a link to a story from back in June that more explicitly states Ramirez's primary reason for not wanting to waive his no-trade...

 

http://sports.espn.go.com...lb/news/story?id=6636534

 

At this point, no, I wouldn't accept a trade," Ramirez said before the Cubs lost to the

Reds on Tuesday. "I've been traded before in the middle of the season, and

it's too hard. It's hard on the players, it's hard on the family.

And later in the article...

 

You never know, but I don't think I'll change my mind," Ramirez said.

"It's too tough when you have family and kids here to try to move them

elsewhere. If I were by myself it might be OK, but I have my wife and

kids.

Hopefully he'd consider Milwaukee close enough that he wouldn't have to uproot his family.

[jpat]

I'm probably a little too hopeful of getting him, but here's how I see it:

 

1. He apparently was only talking about being traded because Zambrano brought up making changes whenever a team is 20 games under .500. I'm guessing the media then asked him about whether he would waive his no trade clause.

 

2. As Brewer Fever has pointed out, ARam has repeatedly talked about how important being close to and not moving his family is.

 

3. It may be coincidental, but why would he "soften" his stance on waiving his no trade clause right after the third game of a series in Milwaukee, only an hour away, after being swept by a team who is clearly trying to win a World Series this year?

 

I believe that he was saying that because he WOULD waive his no trade clause for the Brewers. I'm thinking that this probably should be more about what Hendry and Melvin can work out to get it done.

[Brewer Fever]

I agree for the most part. I have little doubt that Ramirez would be willing to come here if anywhere at all. It's just a matter of Melvin stepping up to the plate, Mark A. opening the checkbook, and the Cubs willingness to trade within the division.

 

This needs to happen.

[FoxyFoxes]

I know so many of you are willing to give up on CAsey, but does this make him a bench player? Or would he go to AAA? He has a bigger part of the future of this team than a guy like Yunie so we have to take this into consideration too.

[Bnowell4evr]

Could you spot start Casey at 2B? Take him out early for a defensive replacement?

[craigharmann]

I'd do this. McGehee, Gindl and a lower level pitcher to the Cubs for Ramirez.

[Warning Track Power]

I agree for the most part. I have little doubt that Ramirez would be willing to come here if anywhere at all. It's just a matter of Melvin stepping up to the plate, Mark A. opening the checkbook, and the Cubs willingness to trade within the division.

This needs to happen.

I think that given the track record of MA and DM you don't have to worry about the checkbook or stepping up to the plate. They have proven their ability to do so. This would all be about the Cubs willingness to trade in the division and that's it.

 

 

[KCBrewerfan34]

The in division thing shouldn't be a huge deal get next years option out of there like with K-Rod and ARAM can be a FA. No arbitration, that shoud lower the price tag as he would be a true rental. MA will pay, its a question of can Melvin pull the trigger. Everyone should be on the table except Thornberg.

[Dmiles23]

I'd bet the Cubs are leery about trading with us... we did in fact steal Ruben Quevedo from them back in '01. That sour taste is probably still in their mouths...

[Warning Track Power]

Here's a thought, would you trade Gamel to the Cubs for a two month rental of A-Ram? I'm not sure I would.

[brettac1]

I think the Cubs would be willing to trade him anywhere if he would waive his no trade clause. Then it comes down to who has more to offer, and the Brewers bring a knife to a gunfight there.

[KCBrewerfan34]

Here's a thought, would you trade Gamel to the Cubs for a two month rental of A-Ram? I'm not sure I would.

Done. This makes way too much sense.

 

 

[Warning Track Power]

I think the Cubs would be willing to trade him anywhere if he would waive his no trade clause. Then it comes down to who has more to offer, and the Brewers bring a knife to a gunfight there.

Absoultely. Assuming, Ramirez would waive his no-trade to most anywhere, the Cubs would call the Angels immediately after our offer and just ask them to top it. If A-Ram is traded, he's going to Orange County.