2011-06-30 Brewers (Wolf) at Yankees (Sabathia) - [Brewers swept, 5-0]

[jason21nl]

nice range Yuni....

[pebadger]

Unless you compare that number with runs gained due too be aggressive, I don't know that it means a whole lot. Not saying it would turn out any better (and it might be worse) but just counting up outs on teh bases isn't enough. There is also teh question of whehter the problem is strategy, execution of strategy, or just plain poor-decision-making unrelated to whether or not the player was looking to be aggressive.

[jason21nl]

Kind of off topic but Haudricourt says that the Brewers have made more outs on the bases then any other team in the major leagues(not including pickoffs or caught stealings).

 

How is that super aggressive style working for you RR?

Pretty good, they are in first place

being aggressive on the bases is not the reason they are in first place. It could however be a reason why they aren't further in first place

[hawing]

Not going to lie; I'm looking forward to NL games resuming.

[chuckcrim]

The reason they are in 1st place as very little to do with their baserunning. They win games in spite of RR, not because of him.

[trwi7]

Outscored 22-4 in the series. This knocked them down about 10 pegs.

[PrestigeWorldwide]

That was a hell of a play by Gamel and the blame should go on Axford for the throw. Run to the base, he slowed down, Gamel put it right where it needed to be and it bounced out of Axford's glove.

Gamel made a good play getting to the ball, but he deserved the error, not Axford. First basemen are taught to hit the pitcher before they get to the base, so the pitcher does not have to focus on catching the ball and hitting the base at the same moment. Pitchers are not taught to run to the base and stop and stretch, they are taught to make the catch, touch the base, and get the heck out of there. The throw was on the bag, too far out ahead of Axford.

 

Not that any of it matters in this particular game anyway.

[jeffy]

Provided we don't see something that would legitmately seem miraculous, given how the Brewers have never seemed to be in any of these games, I'm pulling for the Brewers to again outhit the Yankees. With 2 Brewer hits and no more Yankee hits or runs, the Brewers will have lost the series 21-4 despite having outhit the Yankees in every single game, and by an overall count of 27-23.

 

If it happens, somebody need to send that one in to Kurkjian. Can't have happened all that often.

 

 

The Yankees outwalked them 14-4, though (although almost of that difference was due to the 8-0 differential on Monday)

[pebadger]

22-4. Held the lead at the end of 3 innings in the entire series. Were tied for the lead at the end of 0 innings in the series.

[rluzinski]

It's just frustrating because we have all the pieces in place, yet we're the worst team in MLB on the road. If we were even average on the road, we'd have the division in a stranglehold.

I don't really get that kind of logic. It's convenient to look at home/road splits but we can look at any other mostly-random splits that we want to. Day/night, roof open/closed, day games after night games, record on Thursdays, etc... It all makes interesting trivia but I don't see the utility in it. I do not believe that there is anything about the Brewers as a team that has caused them to significantly over perform at home and under perform on the road. What could even affect the whole team? Just a curious happenstance, in my opinion.

And it is just as easy to suggest the Brewers shouldn't be as dominating at home as they have been so far. If the Brewers were .500 on the road they would be 50-32 and on pace for 99 wins. The Brewers are a decent team but they are nothing special. They are no where near a 99 win team. They are now on pace for 85 wins which is right around where they were expected to be. Hell, the brutal part of the schedule is over, so I'd probably expect more wins than that (based on just their performance this year).

It was a terrible series but let's lets look at the big picture. The Brewers are done being bent over by the AL East and will have at at least a share of the NL Central after today. Did anyone really have higher expectations than that?

 

[COBrewerfan]

The reason they are in 1st place as very little to do with their baserunning. They win games in spite of RR, not because of him.

 

And that is your opinion. Some people just live to complain about managers. I don't get it. You can't blame them for losses and give no credit for winning. Makes no sense at all. Doing things one way may not work in some cases but may work better in others.

[trwi7]

I'd rather live to complain about managers than live to complain about people who complain about managers.

[rluzinski]

Outscored 22-4 in the series. This knocked them down about 10 pegs.

10 pegs but only 3 wins. Until teams make the playoffs based on number of pegs, I am more concerned about wins. http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Baldkin]

A good breakdown of the team baserunning so far.... http://www.baseballprospectus.com/sortable/index.php?cid=975444

 

They've been very good, but absolutely horrible on non-hits/flyballs.

[trwi7]

10 pegs but only 3 wins. Until teams make the playoffs based on number of pegs, I am more concerned about wins. http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/wink.gif

 

You do realize you don't have to take everything literally, right?

[davemakovec]

I'm glad that the Brewers are done facing three of the best teams in the major leagues. They have home series left against the Phillies and the Marlins, and road series against most of the NL West, but the rest is pretty much just the NL Central. Being in first place after playing nine games against AL East teams that will probably all finish with 90+ wins is pretty good, even if it looked terrible.

[owbc]

I'm glad we are done with the Yankees and Red Sox. The manager doesn't matter, there were no game-changing managerial decisions in this series. Say what you want about the running philosophy, but it's irrelevant in blowouts. No need for late/close-game bullpen management in this series either.

 

If they want to win on the road, they need to change their approach and mentality. Pitches need to stop painting the corners and trust their stuff. Hitters need to be more patient and quit swinging at balls.

[COBrewerfan]

I'd rather live to complain about managers than live to complain about people who complain about managers.

 

You mean just complain about anything and everything, over and over amd over. That has to be great as well.

[chickinbrickin]

It's just frustrating because we have all the pieces in place, yet we're the worst team in MLB on the road. If we were even average on the road, we'd have the division in a stranglehold.

I don't really get that kind of logic. It's convenient to look at home/road splits but we can look at any other mostly-random splits that we want to. Day/night, roof open/closed, day games after night games, record on Thursdays, etc... It all makes interesting trivia but I don't see the utility in it. I do not believe that there is anything about the Brewers as a team that has caused them to significantly over perform at home and under perform on the road. What could even affect the whole team? Just a curious happenstance, in my opinion.

And it is just as easy to suggest the Brewers shouldn't be as dominating at home as they have been so far. If the Brewers were .500 on the road they would be 50-32 and on pace for 99 wins. The Brewers are a decent team but they are nothing special. They are no where near a 99 win team. They are now on pace for 85 wins which is right around where they were expected to be. Hell, the brutal part of the schedule is over, so I'd probably expect more wins than that (based on just their performance this year).

It was a terrible series but let's lets look at the big picture. The Brewers are done being bent over by the AL East and will have at at least a share of the NL Central after today. Did anyone really have higher expectations than that?

 

 

I agree with you on the idea of splits being kind of trivial when compared to the big pictures, but your happenstance comment is far from the truth. After watching a good amount of the games this season the team takes on a completely different form when they are on the road. You can almost feel it while watching a game. They exude confidence at home and show non on the road.

 

 

This team doesn’t have the same mental makeup on the road as they do at home. Does it make sense? Not really, but that is 100% the case. The pitchers don’t have confidence in their stuff the hitters lose their approach.

 

[chickinbrickin]

I'd rather live to complain about managers than live to complain about people who complain about managers.

 

You mean just complain about anything and everything, over and over amd over. That has to be great as well.

Can you give me one example of a move RR made that won them a game? I'm going to guess you can not, and if you can it may be one time. I could give countless examples of how his moves has contributed greatly in a lose, but I don't want to complain.

 

[Raw Biz]

I'd rather live to complain about managers than live to complain about people who complain about managers.

 

You mean just complain about anything and everything, over and over amd over. That has to be great as well.

Can you give me one example of a move RR made that won them a game? I'm going to guess you can not, and if you can it may be one time. I could give countless examples of how his moves has contributed greatly in a lose, but I don't want to complain.

I hate Roenicke as much as anyone but Lucroy's walk-off squeeze comes to mind. But I will say that he has probably cost the team quite a few more wins than he has gained.

[brewmann04]

I was at today game and boy did CC own the brewers except for Braun.I could not believe the lineup the yanks put in today and expect for the 3rd the brewers were dead.

everyone was right this was a killer inter league schedule

[COBrewerfan]

I'd rather live to complain about managers than live to complain about people who complain about managers.

 

You mean just complain about anything and everything, over and over amd over. That has to be great as well.

Can you give me one example of a move RR made that won them a game? I'm going to guess you can not, and if you can it may be one time. I could give countless examples of how his moves has contributed greatly in a lose, but I don't want to complain.

Well that is all a matter of opinion as well I guess. There can be things like the bunt that was mentioned but there are also pitching moves and pinch hitters that have come through. But each person looks at these things a bit differently so it can be debated. But just because you say something on a message board doesn't make it the "right move" and the manager "costs" us the game. That is the entertaining thing. People actually believe they know that the manager cost the team the games and that their moves would have won a game. A pitcher or a batter is never to blame. We can be two hits in a game and if a pitcher gives up a run, someone will say that RRR put in the wrong pitcher and costs us the game. Because BF.net guy says he would have done this, it would have worked, and we would have won the game. So this year RRR has cost us (insert number here) games. This is entertaining because fans of every team say these things about every manger, year in and year out. All these managers have to do is look on the internet and they would know what to do.

 

[brewmann04]

I thought it was pretty Bush to have Dickerson steal a base up 4-0 but i guess with Kontras behind the plate does not shock

I am all ready for MM to be called up from Huntsville.

The brewers did look to take a lot more pitches today but Wolf had a hard time throwing first pitch strikes.

Our SS has really no range at all.

[Raw Biz]

I thought it was pretty Bush to have Dickerson steal a base up 4-0 but i guess with Kontras behind the plate does not schlock me. I all ready for MM to be called up with his hitting has really been moving up.The brewers did look to take a lot more pitches today but Wolf had a hard time throwing first pitch strikes. Benyacourt really has no range at all at SS.

Have you been drinking heavily because of the sweep? This was a difficult post to decipher.