Is it too early to ask about the 2012 draft?

[paul253]

We are most likely going to lose Fielder. I suppose there is an outside chance Hawkins is a Type B free agent so we may end up with 2 or 3 extra picks. I can't imagine it's anywhere as deep as this one, but does anyone know how the 2012 draft is going to shape up?

[logan82]

How about enjoying this season and seeing where the picks from this year fall. Yes it is to early.

[trwi7]

Even if Hawkins is type B, there's no way we offer him arbitration.

[paul253]

How about enjoying this season and seeing where the picks from this year fall. Yes it is to early.

Geez...I am only half kidding around here but relax a little bit. I'm not asking for a mock draft or anything. Just something like the what the strengths and weaknesses might be. CNNSI did a mock draft for the 2012 NFL draft like a week after the 2011 NFL draft Anyone who follows college football knows Andrew Luck will most likely be the #1 pick. I don't follow NCAA baseball at all but I'm sure someone who does may have an idea who is going to be draft eligible and what positions seem to stick out. Same with people who follow all these High School All-Star and Showcase games. My apologies.

[jmeks23]

It really is too early. In football players can't come out of high school and play, so most of your 'prospects' are players that have already played a year or two in college, though some like Cam Newton will play one year and be done. The NFL draft also is pretty much exclusively US players. Baseball you have leagues all over the country, JuCo kids, D1-3 kids(usually not any lower), all over internationally, high schoolers, and even minors like the Canadian the Brewers picked, or Bryce Harper last year. Plus, players stock significantly rises and falls in just one year with baseball which makes a difference as well.

[DHonks]

At this point it would seem that we'll sign Hawkins without having to worry about arbitration. He's been solid, and is still regaining his velocity and stuff after major surgery. His historically low ERA and WHIP rates, with high strikeout rates are reasons to keep him around

[logan82]

How about enjoying this season and seeing where the picks from this year fall. Yes it is to early.

 

Geez...I am only half kidding around here but relax a little bit. I'm not asking for a mock draft or anything. Just something like the what the strengths and weaknesses might be. CNNSI did a mock draft for the 2012 NFL draft like a week after the 2011 NFL draft Anyone who follows college football knows Andrew Luck will most likely be the #1 pick. I don't follow NCAA baseball at all but I'm sure someone who does may have an idea who is going to be draft eligible and what positions seem to stick out. Same with people who follow all these High School All-Star and Showcase games. My apologies.

We have no idea. some of these guys will not sign and will be eligible next year. How about relaxing and enjoying this season.

[TheCrew07]

Actually there are plenty who frequent this forum that would know about 2012 draft and I don't think the question was out of line at all.

 

I'm not sure he's the one who needs to relax?

[logan82]

Actually there are plenty who frequent this forum that would know about 2012 draft and I don't think the question was out of line at all.

 

I'm not sure he's the one who needs to relax?

I am. The draft analysis for this draft just finished. Until we have a batter idea who will sign it doesn't really pay to look forward to next year much.

[trwi7]

Why does it matter who signs from this draft? There's nothing we can do about signing the players and some are curious about next year. Seriously, relax. It was a harmless question that I'm sure colby or someone else would be happy to answer.

[TheCrew07]

It was a simple question about the relative talent in the draft in the draft, not a player by player analysis request.

 

I think you're out of line. It was a pretty innocent question, certainly not worth the spite and venom it invoked.

 

Paul was just looking ahead at another draft where the Brewers should have a fair amount of early picks. People talked about the 2009 draft after we acquired Sabathia looking ahead to the compensation picks the team would get for Sheets and Sabathia, I don't see why it's not appropriate to discuss proper compensation for Fielder moving on as well?

[logan82]

Those who don't sign may go next year. I am not the one getting upset about any of this. I just really don't see the point in looking forward 363 days at this point.

[battlekow]

Okay, enough. If you don't have something to contribute toward the actual topic, stop posting in the thread. Although I guess it would be kind of novel to have to lock a draft thread.

[YoungGeezy]

Since Paul asked a simple, harmless question and the thought of this trend having to be locked up is obsurd, I'll contribute:

 

Here is an early look at the top 200 prospects in the 2012 draft.

http://allamericanfoundat...tion/news/mlb-2012-draft

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/a...ey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb

 

As you will notice on almost all list, former Brewer 26th rd pick Lex Ruthledge (believe Sessile interviewed few years back) made a ton of money by deciding to go to Samford. He is now one of the top pitchers in baseball and a top 15 prospect as of right now. Also as most of us have seen, our former 38th round pick is now the Ace of ASU and a 1st-2nd round pick, Brady Rogers. Kyle Hanson, 40th rd pick looks to be a 2-3 maybe a sandwich pick.

 

 

Mark Appel, RHP, Stanford, Matt Purke, RHP, TCU and Lance McCullers, RHP, Tampa Jesuit HS, Fla appear to be heading the race for number one.

 

 

Sorry Paul for all the crap over the question.

 

Also this draft doesnt have that major of an impact unless all these high schoolers back out of there scholarships and go to JUCO. Many juniors don't like not signing if picked high, stock usually wont improve much and now they are just a year older. Redshirt sophomore however can have an impact.

 

Never to early to look to the future however it is always to early to predict the future, think we all know that.

[paul253]

I didn't mean to start World War Three over a draft question here but thanks Geezy for those links. It was exactly was I was looking for. Also, I got a little laugh when I read the headline of the second one: "Never too early to look ahead to Class of 2012". I suppose I should have clarified my original post a bit when I said "but does anyone know how the 2012 draft is going to shape up". Like I said, I wasn't looking for a mock draft or anything, just some names and a look at what positions may stand out like how college pitching stood out this year.

[colbyjack]

No, it's not too early to ask about the 2012 draft. However, over the next couple of months, thanks to both the summer collegiate baseball schedule and the high school showcase season, those players will become more evident. I'll be in Fort Myers, Florida later this week at the PG National Showcase, which pretty much kicks of the 2012 draft season, one week removed from the 2011 draft.

[battlekow]

Keith Law has an (Insider-only) look at the names to watch for the 2012 draft.

[colbyjack]

I was at the PG National a few days ago and got a first-hand look at the top prep talent that is going to be available for next year. McCullers hit 97 with his first 2 pitches, and 98 with his third. His fourth pitch was a true 87 mph curveball, which is just plain nasty. The only thing I could see with McCullers between now and next June is people questioning whether or not he is a starter or a closer, similar to how Gerrit Cole was questioned coming out of high school since everything he threw was so hard. That's a silly argument to me, as McCullers' arm truly is special (he threw 98 easily across the infield as part of the IF drills).

 

However, my #1 high school player is Trey Williams. He's the son of former MLB player Eddie Williams, and is built like an NFL running back. He is smooth on the field and has advanced hitting tools. As I wrote in my work for PG, he drove a high, outside pitch over the RCF wall as a RH hitter in game situations that left the park in a hurry, a hit that look liked something Albert Pujols would smash. Incredible bat speed and natural raw power.

 

Neither player should be anywhere near the Brewers pick.

EDIT: Oh yeah, I forgot to mention LSU's Kevin Gausman as a candidate for the top 3-5 picks, possibly #1 overall for next year. Mark Appel of Stanford is frequently tossed around as the top college pitcher eligible for next year's draft, but I like Gausman in that same conversation. He'll be eligible as a sophomore.

[narwhalattack]

Hey Colby, if the Brewers do manage to sign Jungmann and Bradley, do you think they would go after HS talent in the 1st round in the 2012 draft, especially because Jungmann and Bradley are quick-to-the-majors type of guys (and therefore giving the Brewers more time to develop talent)?

[filthyfrog]

I'm not Colby, but I don't think this year's draft will have any impact on whether the Brewers go college or high school early in next year's draft. Focusing on pitchers this year could potentially cause them to look harder for bats next year, but I don't think they'll stray from their BPA philosophy.

[CheezWizHed]

Having multiple 1st round, supplemental, and/or 2nd round picks will probably have more to do with some of that philosophy than this year's draft.

 

BPA is always nice to say, but after the first 10 picks or so of the draft, there always seem to be a few players (increasing as you go) rated around the same at each pick. But each could vary greatly in time to majors, ceiling, etc... Having multiple early picks allows for more variation in those picks. At least theoretically.

[colbyjack]

This year's draft, regardless of who they sign, should have little to no bearing on who they take next year. Keep in mind Javier Baez likely would have been the pick at #12 had he been there, so it's not like they were zeroing in on college pitching the whole time.

 

Next year's draft won't be deep as this year's. The college ranks in particular look as though they'll be rather thin, while the prep class could be quite strong.

[brewmann04]

I hope next year draft does come around since the Crew might have a few early round picks.

[HiAndTight]

Even if Hawkins is type B, there's no way we offer him arbitration.

You make way too many absolute statements.

 

There was absolutely no chance we'd trade for K-Rod either...

 

If Hawkings keeps pitching well, it's not that unreasonable that we'd offer him arbitration. In particular with all the money coming off the books this year.

[paul253]

What about Saito? Is there any chance he can rebound and become a type B? It's possible the Brewers could have a lot of picks between possible losses of Fielder, Hawkins, Saito and K-Rod. Why not offer all of them arby? Fielder obviously won't accept. I doubt K-Rod would either because I'm sure Boras doesn't want him taking away one of his prime years on a one year arbitration decided deal. And even if Hawkins and/or Saito accept, it's not the end of the world. They'd have to sign some bullpen arms anyway if they lost all three of them.