2011-06-09 Mets (Niese) at Brewers (Gallardo) - [Brewers lose, 4-1]

[RightFieldCoder]

obsessedwithbrewcrew wrote:

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Somebody at the bottom of the order needs to wake up, we can't have McGehee, Betancourt, and Gomez all slumping at once.

I don't think the bottom of our order is slumping all at once. I think the bottom of our order sucks. Bill Hall got DFA'd with a .201/.265/.341/.606 line. After Prince, we have .231/.290/.333/.624, .234/.260/.346/.607, an MLB hitter in Lucroy, and then .220/.275/.353/.628. The last one brings plus defense, so I can tolerate the need to keep him around. The other two bring minus defense. They would be bad bench players for this team. This needs to be fixed as soon as possible.

This should be proof that "protection" in the lineup does not exist. With no protection, Prince is still hitting .300 and almost leading the league in HR's and RBI's.

[Invader3K]

Roenicked pretty much agreed with the "Braun and Prince can't carry this team alone" assessment in his post game comments.

 

“We can’t depend on ‘Braunie’ and Prince all the time to be driving in all the runs. We need to spread that out. Everybody is a big part of how we grow offensively. You’re never going to be that great offensive team if you’re only looking at three or four guys in your lineup.”

[jason21nl]

it should be proof that MLB managers are stupid to pitch to Prince and not around him. If you're going to get beat, you don't want to get beat by the other teams best player when you could easily avoid that.

[NievesNoNO]

SoCal[/b] Brew Crew Fan]

endaround[/b]]How dare you use your closer in the highest leverage situation!

 

I hope RRR was taking notes. Good move by Collins...and not just because it worked.

Once baseball makes the Hold or some other relevant stat an official statistic maybe things can change for the better. The popularity of the Save stat is one of the worst things to happen to baseball besides steroids in my lifetime. However, there's no rule that says managers have to care about stats when they make decisions. At least some are willing to branch out a little bit. La Russa brought his closer in the other night with 2 on and no out in the 8th and he finished the last two innings. The only thing the save is good for is losing teams games and making relievers a lot of money.

 

 

[logan82]

it should be proof that MLB managers are stupid to pitch to Prince and not around him. If you're going to get beat, you don't want to get beat by the other teams best player when you could easily avoid that.

No, a thousand times no. It almost never pays to IBB either Fielder or Braun.

[rluzinski]

it should be proof that MLB managers are stupid to pitch to Prince and not around him. If you're going to get beat, you don't want to get beat by the other teams best player when you could easily avoid that.

No, a thousand times no. It almost never pays to IBB either Fielder or Braun.

I really don't like using baseball cliches as evidence for a particular strategy (e.g. don't get beat by the best hitter!) Barry Bonds was the greatest hitter ever, had little protection when he was hitting his best, managers walked him far too often and they STILL pitched to him often enough to let him get over 200 HRS in a 4 year span.

[Funketown]

If I'm going to get beat, I don't care who beats me. Heck, letting Pujols tee off on one is less annoying to watch than a David Eckstein infield single+SB+advance on groundout+balk off.

[Oxy]

I really don't like using baseball cliches as evidence for a particular strategy (e.g. don't get beat by the best hitter!) Barry Bonds was the greatest hitter ever, had little protection when he was hitting his best, managers walked him far too often and they STILL pitched to him often enough to let him get over 200 HRS in a 4 year span.

Did they? Perhaps you are correct, I'm not sure, but I'd like to see a statistical breakdown of runs scored by SF in innings that Bonds was intentionally walked vs. innings that he wasn't even though the situation may have called for it from 2001-2004. Considering that Bonds' rate statistics were Ruthian or better during that time (.560 OBP, .810 SLG), and he played a full schedule, I would think that either his run totals and RBI totals should have also been equally or near equally gargantuan. But they weren't. Of course they were still near the top of the league, but not really in line with his off the charts rate stats. What does that say? When he got on base he didn't score as often as the average person who got on base, and when he hit a homer/double, he didn't drive in as many runs as the average guy who gets a homer or a double. This is a very rough, eyeballing the stats way to do this sort of thing, but it seems to me that managers did a good job of pitching around him during that time.

[jason21nl]

Cliche or not, stats or no stats I'll take my chances getting Casey out over getting Prince out damn near every time. Especially when Prince is swinging the bat like he is and Casey is swinging the bat like he is