Draft Pick Discussion, Rounds 1-5

[xisxisxis]

just say no to big Ten players......

[Never Outhustled]

Interesting note from Yount19's link

Reed declined to divulge what his exact contract demands will be, but he said his contract would have to be more valuable than his Ole Miss scholarship.

"I don't care what round I go in as long as I get that number that I want," Reed said. "Round is just an ego thing."

 

 

 

Sounds like 5th round slot money will be enough then.

[monty57]

Nothing against him directly (as I know nothing), but I don't care for the Ramirez pick. I'm all for BPA, but at this point in the draft, there must be several players that are pretty much ranked the same. And if there is something in our system that we are not lacking, its players limited to LF/1B.

 

I would think there would be a SS/3B/2B/C type that would have been rated the same.

 

edit- looks like ListachRides and I where thinking alike...

 

I agree with most of the sentiments of the post, but if he throws a 90 MPH fastball, I don't think he'd be limited to LF/1B. He should at least be able to play RF, and it wouldn't be out of the question for him to try 3B, which is similar to 1B, except you have to have an arm.

 

I certainly hope they know something others don't, as it does seem that they could have picked him up later than they did.

[CheezWizHed]

He should at least be able to play RF, and it wouldn't be out of the question for him to try 3B, which is similar to 1B, except you have to have an arm.

 

I wasn't really referring to Ramirez being limited to LF, as I hadn't heard he can play OF at all. I was referring to players in our system that can sort of play LF, but might also "fall back" into 1B. Ryan Braun and Kris Davis come to mind.

 

If Ramirez can play OF at all, it would help him in our system I would think (not a lot of RFers).

 

But I really doubt he can handle 3B if he isn't playing there already. Switching from 1B to 3B isn't just a matter of changing which corner you play at. 3B gets a LOT more hot shots than 1B. Arm strength is part of playing 3B, but not the hardest part. Ask Ryan Braun.

[Never Outhustled]

He should at least be able to play RF, and it wouldn't be out of the question for him to try 3B, which is similar to 1B, except you have to have an arm.

 

I wasn't really referring to Ramirez being limited to LF, as I hadn't heard he can play OF at all. I was referring to players in our system that can sort of play LF, but might also "fall back" into 1B. Ryan Braun and Kris Davis come to mind.

 

If Ramirez can play OF at all, it would help him in our system I would think (not a lot of RFers).

 

But I really doubt he can handle 3B if he isn't playing there already. Switching from 1B to 3B isn't just a matter of changing which corner you play at. 3B gets a LOT more hot shots than 1B. Arm strength is part of playing 3B, but not the hardest part. Ask Ryan Braun.

Most important trait to play 3B isn't glove or feet, it's being righthanded. http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif Ramirez throws lefthanded.

 

He has potential as a pitcher, but has stated he prefers to hit. Hope he changes his mind. Hope the Brewers challenge him to drive home that point sooner.

[TheCrew07]

Oddly after reading the MLB scouting report late this morning linked to his profile (which was different than the video report I watched yesterday) I feel better about Jungmann, and the MLB scouting report is the one I usually put the least of amount of stock in.

 

Maybe it's just because I was looking for someone to say he has 2 legit plus pitches... He'll be interesting to follow as it sounds like he's gotten hitters out more by mixing his pitches than any one pitch being *that* good. If he can sharpen all of his secondary stuff, or even 2 of those pitches up, he could be a legit top of the rotation starter. I'm still concerned that all of those pitches are "improving" after 3 years of pitching in college, but I do feel better about the pick today than I did yesterday.

 

Is it weird that I want Marcum to show all of our other pitchers how to throw his change up?

[Oxy]

Is it weird that I want Marcum to show all of our other pitchers how to throw his change up?

Heck no. Is there a front of the rotation pitcher in the MLB who neither has a plus changeup nor a plus plus fastball? A dominating fastball is basically innate athletic ability; thus if you do not have that innate ability yet you'd like to have real Major League success it seems to me that you better learn how to throw a good changeup.

[Hate those Rodents]

I think the Brewers had visions of Braves starter Mike Minor when they made their first round selections. If they can get a pair of starters that project as major league starters as quickly as Minor and project to have similar ability to Minor, most of us would be happy.

[StearnsFTW]

I think the Brewers had visions of Braves starter Mike Minor when they made their first round selections. If they can get a pair of starters that project as major league starters as quickly as Minor and project to have similar ability to Minor, most of us would be happy.

Count me among the disappointed if Jungmann is like Mike Minor. I now a lot of 1st rounders don't even make the majors, but Minor is a dime-a-dozen type starter. I expect more from the 12th pick in a strong draft.

[HiAndTight]

I think the Brewers had visions of Braves starter Mike Minor when they made their first round selections. If they can get a pair of starters that project as major league starters as quickly as Minor and project to have similar ability to Minor, most of us would be happy.

Count me among the disappointed if Jungmann is like Mike Minor. I now a lot of 1st rounders don't even make the majors, but Minor is a dime-a-dozen type starter. I expect more from the 12th pick in a strong draft.

How is Minor a "dime-a-dozen type starter?"

 

Minor's absolutely torn up the minors to the tune of a 2.86 ERA, 226 K's in 195 IP, a 1.087 Whip.

 

I don't know if you're going off the 60 or so innings he's thrown in the big leagues in which he STILL struck out more than 1 per inning, but he's hardly a dime a dozen type guy.

 

He's also the 37th rated prospect in baseball right now. So....yeah, I'd be alright with getting two of him. Add two 2/3 type pitchers, you've got Gallardo and if you can hold onto Greinke, you could have a better rotation in 3-4 years than you do now.

[Raw Biz]

Yahoo (per Rivals) gave the Brewers an A- for the 1st round. They like that Jungmann and Bradley are solid, quick-progressing pitchers. They also gave the Cubs a D for Baez, saying that many had him on the fringe of the first round, if not lower. They might have reached a little but I would've been ecstatic to get him at 12 or 15.

[TheCrew07]

I'll say the same thing I say about all draft grades in every sport, they are meaningless until 4 or 5 years down the road when you can get some historical perspective on how the picks turned out.

[JJHardy7]

I'll say the same thing I say about all draft grades in every sport, they are meaningless until 4 or 5 years down the road when you can get some historical perspective on how the picks turned out.

 

I agree 100% on this when it is evaluating a draft. I like the grades though before we know anything (like now)...it pretty much says the Brewers didn't reach. IMO the 'bad' grades in any sport are from reaching/overvaluing, etc.

 

I know some may not like the picks, but the Brewers didn't reach. I don't know enough about these guys, but I'm somewhat excited to see how they do. I think BPA is the way to go. I would've like a SS, but it seems in the major sports baseball is the least likely draft to have success by drafting for need. If these guys develop and are blocked, we'll trade them for a position of need.

 

Overall, it is interesting that a team that was built more or less by bats and trading the bats changes to pitching. I have no clue what is riskier, but it will be interesting to see if this is just a one year thing or if we'll truly be in the BPA mode.

[HiAndTight]

I'll say the same thing I say about all draft grades in every sport, they are meaningless until 4 or 5 years down the road when you can get some historical perspective on how the picks turned out.

Yes, this is obvious. It's along the lines of "gotta take it one game at a time," in terms of sports cliches that are cliches because they are true.

 

Nonetheless, this is kinda the point of having a draft portion of this message board. What else would we do without speculating and digesting the picks we just made?

[StearnsFTW]

I think the Brewers had visions of Braves starter Mike Minor when they made their first round selections. If they can get a pair of starters that project as major league starters as quickly as Minor and project to have similar ability to Minor, most of us would be happy.

Count me among the disappointed if Jungmann is like Mike Minor. I now a lot of 1st rounders don't even make the majors, but Minor is a dime-a-dozen type starter. I expect more from the 12th pick in a strong draft.

How is Minor a "dime-a-dozen type starter?"

 

Minor's absolutely torn up the minors to the tune of a 2.86 ERA, 226 K's in 195 IP, a 1.087 Whip.

 

I don't know if you're going off the 60 or so innings he's thrown in the big leagues in which he STILL struck out more than 1 per inning, but he's hardly a dime a dozen type guy.

 

He's also the 37th rated prospect in baseball right now. So....yeah, I'd be alright with getting two of him. Add two 2/3 type pitchers, you've got Gallardo and if you can hold onto Greinke, you could have a better rotation in 3-4 years than you do now.

I have no faith in Minor at the major league level. Quite honestly, I was not aware of his success in the minor leagues and should've looked up some stats before I made the "dime-a-dozen" comment, but I've seen him pitch a few times and I'm not terribly impressed. "Dime-a-dozen" is not the correct term for him though.

[Mass Haas]

Gagnon is happy to go to Brewers

Milwaukee takes Dirtbag pitcher in third round, wants to use him as starter

By Bob Keisser, Long Beach Press-Telegram Staff Writer

Drew Gagnon has been a starting pitcher for as long as he can remember playing baseball. So there was a sense of relief when the Milwaukee Brewers called his name in the Major League Baseball Amateur draft Tuesday morning.

 

The Long Beach State junior right-hander was selected with the 10th pick of the third round by the Brewers, the 100th player overall. Of all the teams that spoke to Gagnon, his family and his advisors during the scouting process, Milwaukee expressed the most interest in him as a starting pitcher.

 

Several others viewed him as someone who could close games even though he started 43 of 44 games for the Dirtbags. The one relief effort was a 5 1/3-inning drop-in performance in his second collegiate game.

 

"I'm not sure why they thought of me as a reliever, it's just what they told people," he said.

 

Gagnon said there were a few interested teams that said they might draft him in the second round, but he had no problems going when and where he did.

 

"I've always been a starter and it's what I want to do," he said.

 

Gagnon becomes the 19th Dirtbag since 2001 to be selected in the first three rounds of the major league draft, and the 10th pitcher. It's the ninth time in the last 11 years that a Long Beach product has been selected in the first three rounds.

 

"All I know about Milwaukee is that they have a cool park and some good young players like Prince Fielder and Ryan Braun," he said. "I expect to sit down with the team and my family in the next couple of days and take the next step."

[CheezWizHed]

Gagnon becomes the 19th Dirtbag

 

Beyond the obvious joke here, he could resurrect some of the old Gagne (or similar) jokes...

[SenatorShriv]

I thought I read someplace that Melvin made the comment that Jungmann and Bradley could possibly see time in the big leagues this year. (I don't remember if it was on this forum or not.) I scanned through the thread and didn't see anything like that, does someone have a link to that comment? I've already come around a lot on these picks from my initial negative reaction... if they can contribute out of the bullpen later this year I would be ecstatic.

 

I would imagine that both have thrown a lot of pitches this year and it would surprise me if that happened.

[TooLiveBrew]

It was only on Jungmann, and that was only Buster Olney really pressing Melvin to answer whether or not it was possible for Jungmann to see MLB action this year. A 1% chance qualifies as possible http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif

 

 

EDIT: YoungGeezy posted the link in reply #240 in this thread.

 

Here is the link

 

Brewers GM Doug Melvin confirmed to Olney that it’s possible (though not likely) that top pick Taylor Jungmann could help them this year.

 

EDIT: For whatever reason, the link to the reply in-thread wasn't working. Linked to the post alone.

[And That]

We should have the rest of the player profiles done tomorrow. Sorry for the delay. We lose Patrick and everything goes to pieces. http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif

[RyDogg66]

If 2010 Dylan Covey were in the 2011 draft where would he have been projected to go? Im wondering if the Brewers upgraded overall with the selection of Bradley.

[igor67]

I'm not as sure on an even comparison of players in their undrafted states, but if we had signed Dylan with his performance so far this year and only having the one draft pick we'd have even more people jumping off the cliff. Arnett and Dylan struggling that badly in back to back years would be just as bad for the farm system as all the trades. Obviously Dylan's got some extenuating circumstances and still has plenty of chance to turn it around, but the conversation would be dire indeed.

[zzzmanwitz]

I don't know what this says about Dylan, I know he is going through dealing with Diabetes, but here are his freshman year stats at San Diego University.

 

9 GS, 34.1 IP, 1-3, 7.60 ERA, 29 K, 28 BB

[battlekow]

We should have the rest of the player profiles done tomorrow. Sorry for the delay. We lose Patrick and everything goes to pieces. http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif

They're all up now. They'll be updated as we discover more about the players, especially the late-round guys.

[TheCrew07]

Jungmann is throwing his 4 seam FB out of the gate today, every FB between 93-95. His curve was loopy again in the first but was only 77 mph. I'm watching much more closely today than I was last weekend at the bar since I have a rooting interest.