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2011-05-18 Brewers (Gallardo) at Padres (Moseley) - [Brewers win, 5-2]

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Random thought...if we could send Gomez to the minors, I'd love to see him try learning to hit lefty. Focusing on contact and not trying to hit all balls out of the park could make him more selective. And he'd be lethal at bunting from the left-side
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I think his comment is perfectly relevant. You need to weigh the odds of Counsell getting a hit over Gallardo vs the odds Gallardo vs whoever else in the Brewers bullpen giving up a run or not. And also taking into account that it was only the top of the 6th inning, and that the Brewers had a one run lead, with only one out, and Rickie Weeks on deck. There are a number of factors. I think sticking with Gallardo was the right decision and it proved to work.

http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif This is what I was getting at, but I didn't want to push the point because he doesn't appear to want to have a nice discussion about it. http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/ohwell.gif

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And you realize the outcome in an at-bat for even a great hitter is an out, don't you?
I was responding to a comment that Yo giving up no runs was why he was allowed to pitch. In contrast, I did not use Yo making an out as evidence that letting him bat was a bad move. I made my comment before he finished his AB. For that reason, your comment does not seem to be relevant.
I think his comment is perfectly relevant. You need to weigh the odds of Counsell getting a hit over Gallardo vs the odds Gallardo vs whoever else in the Brewers bullpen giving up a run or not. And also taking into account that it was only the top of the 6th inning, and that the Brewers had a one run lead, with only one out, and Rickie Weeks on deck. There are a number of factors. I think sticking with Gallardo was the right decision and it proved to work.
No his comment was not relevant. I was pointing out that Gallardo not giving up a run in an inning was no special accomplishment. You have to look at the difference between what Gallardo is expected to do vs. a reliever. The same is true for a batter, so why would it be relevant that most AB end in an out?

And of course you have to factor all that in. The studies I've read do just that. I'm not just going by gut here. You seem to understand all the factors that go into the question but you aren't appreciating that a SP's projected performance is heavily dependent on how many times he's gone through the order. It's all covered in a book called "The Book: Playing the Percentages of Baseball." If you are interested, you can basically read it on Amazon's website.

OK, no more on this subject for me.

 

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What is this no TV Saturday crap?
Now that Fox moved some of their Saturday broadcasts to prime time, they have national exclusivity. It's pretty stupid.

Is this going to be for the rest of the year?

 

I don't think so. It's only for certain days I think. That's why some of the Saturday games are at 3:10 though also. Doesn't look like it's continuing when looking at the schedule. Next Saturday's game is at 3:10 though.
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Safe by a mile. How do you miss that call?

The throw beat the runner and sadly for way to many umps in baseball, they then just call the out instead of making a call based on whether the tag was actually placed on the runner before a hand/foot reaches the bag or home plate.

 

I'd love to know what percent of those type of plays umpires get wrong when a throw beats the runner and thus it looks initially like the runner is going to be out, but a foot or hand actually gets in there before the tag?

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I was responding to a comment that Yo giving up no runs was why he was allowed to pitch. In contrast, I did not use Yo making an out as evidence that letting him bat was a bad move. I made my comment before he finished his AB. For that reason, your comment does not seem to be relevant.
I think his comment is perfectly relevant. You need to weigh the odds of Counsell getting a hit over Gallardo vs the odds Gallardo vs whoever else in the Brewers bullpen giving up a run or not. And also taking into account that it was only the top of the 6th inning, and that the Brewers had a one run lead, with only one out, and Rickie Weeks on deck. There are a number of factors. I think sticking with Gallardo was the right decision and it proved to work.
No his comment was not relevant. I was pointing out that Gallardo not giving up a run in an inning was no special accomplishment. You have to look at the difference between what Gallardo is expected to do vs. a reliever. The same is true for a batter, so why would it be relevant that most AB end in an out?

And of course you have to factor all that in. The studies I've read do just that. I'm not just going by gut here. You seem to understand all the factors that go into the question but you aren't appreciating that a SP's projected performance is heavily dependent on how many times he's gone through the order. It's all covered in a book called "The Book: Playing the Percentages of Baseball." If you are interested, you can basically read it on Amazon's website.

OK, no more on this subject for me.

 

People can disagree on whether he should have let Yovani bat there, but i can't see how anyone can act like it was a terrible decision. Given Yo is clearly an above average hitting pitcher, he wasn't at say 110 pitches already, and his velocity was still really good the inning prior, i think pinch hitting or leaving him in were both defensible positions.

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wow, I was hoping RR would be doing my move--leaving Estrada in to finish it. Instead he's going to the pen and burning at least 3 relievers for tomorrow instead of the 1 I wanted.
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