2011-04-27 Reds at Brewers - [Brewers lose, 7-6, 10 innings; pre- and post-game audio at tail end of thread]

[Mr QL]

Yo must be hurt. He aint right. Once Greinke comes back, maybe he should go on teh DL.

[PrinceEatMeat]

With our luck, LeCure will pitch the best game of his career today.

[rluzinski]

If Gallardo was throwing 85, I'd be worried about his long term prospects. I am not going to get too worked up over 32 bad innings, however.

 

Morgan, Estrada and Narveson are awesome. Gallardo is a big question mark.... it's still April, guys.

[PrinceEatMeat]

Yo doesn't have an out pitch. His fastball doesn't seem to move much, and he doesn't throw the curve for strikes very often. Hitters just have to get ahead in the count and look for a fastball. All of this equals a lot of hits and a lot of pitches. I'm more than a little concerned.

He's had at least 200 k's the last 2 years...pretty sure he has an out pitch

Yep, he is just really struggling with his control right now. That's all it is. When he can spot his fastball he is dominant.

[dlk9s]

No worries. The Brewers will score 10 before the Reds score another run.

[chickinbrickin]

I have come to the realization that Yovani will never become the stud he was supposed to become. He is maybe a solid #2 at best.

http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/3483/tumblrleut89otfl1qf8yek.gif

Right back at you. When has he ever shown he can be a #1. He has never thrown over 185 Innings and has never posted an ERA under 3.6. He has actually gotten worse every year since his rookie year in terms of ERA and WHIP.

 

 

[cnycerveceros]

I dunno - I remember a few trips out to Colorado that were pretty bad.

This is true, and he's had some pretty bad outings before this season. I think what's worrisome here is that since that start against ATL he's been very hittable with only a few smooth innings let alone games. It's one thing to lose, it's another to struggle so much to get outs. If I remember right, he pitched relatively well against the Reds opening day.

[Dragonbait]

No worries. The Brewers will score 10 before the Reds score another run.

I just hope its today and not the next two days combined. (though not having the reds score for two days would be awesome.

 

[topper09er]

CarGo pops to 3rd on a 3-1 pitch, I guess if it is 3-1 he has to swing.

[cnycerveceros]

Yo doesn't have an out pitch. His fastball doesn't seem to move much, and he doesn't throw the curve for strikes very often. Hitters just have to get ahead in the count and look for a fastball. All of this equals a lot of hits and a lot of pitches. I'm more than a little concerned.

He's had at least 200 k's the last 2 years...pretty sure he has an out pitch

I agree. I'm just not sure he's got it anymore. I know rough stretches happen, but this has been quite rough.

[Raw Biz]

CarGo pops to 3rd on a 3-1 pitch, I guess if it is 3-1 he has to swing.

Yeah, he took 3 really tough pitches for balls and then swings at the worst pitch.

[Cyanogen5]

I love Weeks, but would it kill him to cut down on the strikeouts? It is so frustrating to watch!

[ninja33]

Right back at you. When has he ever shown he can be a #1. He has never thrown over 185 Innings and has never posted an ERA under 3.6. He has actually gotten worse every year since his rookie year in terms of ERA and WHIP.

 

And his peripherals (K/9, BB/9, FIP, HR rate) have improved each of those years. Not in 2011 of course, but he's been better in each year of his career.

[brwrsfan]

That 3-1 pitch wasn't even a strike. It shattered his bat. That should have been a walk but Gomez is too stubborn to ever take those. The Reds announcers were even commenting about how silly it is that Gomez tries to hit HR's with all the speed that he has.

 

Then Braun lines out. Is it just me or have we had a ton of lineouts in this series? Seems like every ball we hit hard was either right at them or caught on the warning track. Very frustrating.

[GormanHarvey]

Well, there has plenty of times where Yo has pitched lights out only to get little or no run support (and several times where the only run support came from Yo himself). Maybe its time for the offense to have his back and put up about 8 today.

[derflotr]

Like I said earlier, Gallardo gets into these modes where he's super passive and exhibits no confidence. The curve and slider are pretty much always there, he just loses his fastball command and gets behind in counts. His mental game is the problem, not the physical. He was completely different when he shut out Atlanta. He was on a freaking mission that night. Haven't seen him anything close to that since.

[PrinceEatMeat]

Like I said earlier, Gallardo gets into these modes where he's super passive and exhibits no confidence. The curve and slider are pretty much always there, he just loses his fastball command and gets behind in counts. His mental game is the problem, not the physical. He was completely different when he shut out Atlanta. He was on a freaking mission that night. Haven't seen him anything close to that since.

I'd have to agree with this. Having watched him in games when he's pitching great, and games when he's pitching horrible, it's pretty obvious that this is the case.

[chickinbrickin]

Right back at you. When has he ever shown he can be a #1. He has never thrown over 185 Innings and has never posted an ERA under 3.6. He has actually gotten worse every year since his rookie year in terms of ERA and WHIP.

 

And his peripherals (K/9, BB/9, FIP, HR rate) have improved each of those years. Not in 2011 of course, but he's been better in each year of his career.

If those peripherals translated into a lower ERA and WHIP that would be great, but in his case it hasn't. I could care less if he is stiking out more hitters because he is giving up more runs. Key numbers to judge a pitcher on are ERA and WHIP, and that has gotten worse. He may be giving up less walks, but if his WHIP is increasing that means he is giving up more hits.

 

Yo is one of my favorite Brewers, but it doesn't mean I am blind to the fact he isn't improving and actually seems to be getting worse.

 

[chickinbrickin]

Like I said earlier, Gallardo gets into these modes where he's super passive and exhibits no confidence. The curve and slider are pretty much always there, he just loses his fastball command and gets behind in counts. His mental game is the problem, not the physical. He was completely different when he shut out Atlanta. He was on a freaking mission that night. Haven't seen him anything close to that since.

I'd have to agree with this. Having watched him in games when he's pitching great, and games when he's pitching horrible, it's pretty obvious that this is the case.

PrinceEat Meat,

When I said that exact statment during Yo's last start asking if anyone else noticed this you said NO. Glad to see you a finally coming around.

 

 

[rluzinski]

http://www.baseball-refer...i?id=gallayo01&t=p&year=

 

Plus 4 runs in 2 IP today. That's a bad start but nothing to get too worked up about. I'm sure you could look at April splits from last year and find a number of good pitchers who struggled.

 

Like I said earlier, Gallardo gets into these modes where he's super passive and exhibits no confidence.

 

He loses command because of bad confidence or he loses confidence when he is lacking command?

[davemakovec]

As a stat by which to judge pitchers, ERA is only better than wins. WHIP can also be a little bit misleading because of the luck involved in giving up hits.

[cnycerveceros]

Referring to posts I've made above, I hope that I'm wrong about Gallardo, and I assume that I probably am. These last few starts are probably nothing more than a few bad starts. Nonetheless, I don't think he's ever looked as hitable as he has the last few starts.

[PrinceEatMeat]

Like I said earlier, Gallardo gets into these modes where he's super passive and exhibits no confidence. The curve and slider are pretty much always there, he just loses his fastball command and gets behind in counts. His mental game is the problem, not the physical. He was completely different when he shut out Atlanta. He was on a freaking mission that night. Haven't seen him anything close to that since.

I'd have to agree with this. Having watched him in games when he's pitching great, and games when he's pitching horrible, it's pretty obvious that this is the case.

PrinceEat Meat,

When I said that exact statment during Yo's last start asking if anyone else noticed this you said NO. Glad to see you a finally coming around.

 

Seeing as I was at the game for his last start and not in the IGT, no I didn't.

[davemakovec]

I count three swinging strikes. One to Gomes (a noted hacker), one to the catcher, and one to the pitcher. For a guy who lives by cutting down batters left and right, that's concerning. Also concerning is his total inability to throw a first-pitch strike. The only first-pitch strikes he's thrown have been put in play, and most of those hits.

[Warning Track Power]

Not to interrupt the Gallardo talk but we are making LeCure look like a Cy Young winner...typical.