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2007 Vent Thread, Part 1

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On a brighter note, from here to eternity I will never fear 'Lights Out Lidge" again. That guy has lost something and I hope he can continue his career in the NL central....

 

With that, I fully expect him to become a Brewer at some point.

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No one is really talking about it - but Estrada's throw to 3rd to try for the lead runner was a mistake.

 

I was WAY up in the rafters and saw he wasn't going to get him. He would have gotten the runner at second. And that would have given us one out with the double play still set up.

 

At the very least he needed to get someone.

 

I know everyone is mad at Aquino (and I am too) as well as Yost (not currently on my christmas list), but there were lots of missed chances.

 

Matt Wise just missed that bunt catch.

Counsell almost caught a foul ball.

Estrada missed getting ANY out.

(not to mention Estrada throwing two balls into center)

 

There was enough blame to go around. While Aquino deserves a fair share - there were plenty of chances to get out of that game with a win.

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I agree and that doesn't even take into account the complete lack of hitting with RISP yesterday, to be honest the way we hit the ball we should have had a 2-3 run lead going into the 9th and then Aquino never enters the game.
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Say what you want but Yost really didn't have very good options there. Leaving in Aquino after bases loaded being a bad call I can agree with, sending Aquino out there I just can't agree with it being a bad call. There just wasn't really anyone else to throw out there.

 

Wow...that's the biggest copout/ rationalization of the week?you win the weekly Yost apologist award!

 

#1- No reason you don't let Wise pitch to the guy who was going to surely sacrifice bunt.

 

Now you have 1 out runner on 2B. Go get T-bow or Cordero.

 

Oh that's right Yost already used them the day before in a game we had a freaking 4 run lead in...Whoops.

 

Seriously though, yesterday was beyond the call of duty of the Ned Yost bullpen mismanaging train.

 

Simply the worst I've seen from Ned in the last few years. (And that's saying a lot considering the library of Ned's sucktitude)

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Are you talking about the catch Counsell did make?

 

That was a great catch. But there was another one, I think in the 9th...a hot shot down the line by him, just foul that he got a glove on (barely) but couldnt' hold on to.

 

Not to mention Bill looked pretty close to bringing that grand slam back into the park.

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Wow...that's the biggest copout/ rationalization of the week?you win the weekly Yost apologist award!

 

#1- No reason you don't let Wise pitch to the guy who was going to surely sacrifice bunt.

 

Now you have 1 out runner on 2B. Go get T-bow or Cordero.

 

Oh that's right Yost already used them the day before in a game we had a freaking 4 run lead in...Whoops.

 

Seriously though, yesterday was beyond the call of duty of the Ned Yost bullpen mismanaging train.

 

Simply the worst I've seen from Ned in the last few years. (And that's saying a lot considering the library of Ned's sucktitude)

 

Not surprised you think this way since you obviously hate Yost, Wise had already thrown 18 pitches and they dont like him to go much over that. I was actually shocked they brought him out to start the 8th to begin with.

 

This is the vent thread so nobody can 'be wrong' but I'm just sick of all the knee jerk complaints about the bullpen and thats what they are regardless of how much you think you know about baseball you don't know more than the rest of us. Tell me who he should have used big shot.

 

1) Cordero - saving for middle of order if he had to use him, had already pitched back to back days so didn't want to use him.

 

2) Turnbow - way too many pitches the day before to use him. Yes people complain about him being used but it was only a 4 run lead and the reason they took out CV was to pinch hit and try to score another run.

 

3) Dessens - Worse than Aquino and considered the long man so not viable.

 

4) Shouse - Only viable against lefties pretty much

 

5) CV - Pitched the day before and they don't like to use him back to back days unless they have to, reasonable since he's not used to the bullpen yet.

 

6) Wise - Had already pretty much hit his pitch limit.

 

Now how can you really complain about what he did? How on earth can you say that this is Yosts fault and he had loads of options out there? Just so tired of all the complaints when very few of them are even justified.

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Tell me who he should have used big shot.

 

Already did...

 

Let Matt Wise pitch to the guy who was going to bunt 100%.

 

Your suggestion that he was "at his pitch limit" is laughable. Why have him start the inning?

 

Not to mention Ned explained his removal for Aquino as being for "defensive reasons"...you seem to completely ignore this point.

 

 

Now with a runner on 2nd base and 1 out go and get T-Bow or Cordero...both were available...Yost used neither but chose Aquino instead. The fact the T-bow was a little tired was a direct result of a poor decision the day before (4 run lead remember).

 

Why have 2 long men if you're going to treat 1 of them like a 1 inning guy?

 

Bad choice...we lost the game. It's certainly not baseless criticism and shows more logic than your "defense" of Yost.

 

My main criticism with Yost is his inconsistency in the way he uses his bullpen.

 

He did the right thing in letting Bush start the 9th yesterday...rest the pen when you can. Problem is he did the exact opposite 3 days prior.

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Blazer I see your point, but you do have to remember that Wise is extremely fragile, you have to be careful with him. Which is why after he made that dive, I think they wanted him to come out just to be sure, and once you take him out, who do you put in? It is compilcated with answers none of us really know.
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Blazer I see your point, but you do have to remember that Wise is extremely fragile

 

If this were true then Aquino should have started the inning with no men on.

 

Why run Wise out there, have him give up a bunt single, and them pull him before a hitter that's up there to do nothing but bunt?

 

He's not so fragile that 2/3 more pitches would have killed him. That's all it would have taken to let the next batter sac bunt. Instead Ned brings in Aquino for his "better defense", who promptly walks the batter who is attempting to bunt on 4 straight pitches.

 

Nice...http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/frown.gif

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..the guy who was going to bunt 100%...Not to mention Ned explained his removal for Aquino as being for "defensive reasons"...

 

You really fail to see the connection between these two?

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the guy who was going to bunt 100%...Not to mention Ned explained his removal for Aquino as being for "defensive reasons"...

 

You really fail to see the connection between these two?

 

 

You really think that Aquino is so much more effective a defensive player than Matt Wise that it mitigates the fact that he struggles to throw strikes?

 

I'm not buying that bridge...

 

If that's the case I've got some nice "lake access" property I'd like to sell you.

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You really fail to see the connection between these two?

 

Yes.

 

If Wise is that bad of a fielder, and he cannot field a bunt, especially as a reliever -- he should not be on a MLB diamond.

 

Like someone said in the chat room -- it would be like saying "we are going to PH Fielder with Counsell, because Counsell gets out of the box faster"

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It's funny because I was defending Yost in the chat room with regard to not pinch hitting Counsell, since he may have wanted to save Graffy. Of course, Graffy pinch hits the next AB. http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif
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