2007 Vent Thread, Part 1

[AJ Love]

Maybe we can send Yost to the Minors for a few games to work on how to handle pitchers

[pogokat]

I vote for Joe Thatcher or manny parra to replace aquino tomorrow...

[iluvlamp]

Yost has already had too much on the job training in the majors and he still doesn't get it.

[saget]

Maybe Yost called Garner's cell phone while on the mound in the 9th.

 

Yost: Hey Phil, it's Ned!

Garner: What do you want?

Yost: I always have trouble picking relievers...who would you bring in? Aquino or Cordero?

Garner: Aquino!

[Fatter than Joey]

Yost's post game comments should be interesting

[jlau20]

They also showed Turnbow stretching and going through balls getting ready to warm-up...I say you have to have Turnbow or Cordero in the 9th, regardless.

[Fatter than Joey]

OK

 

Yost just said they brought in Aquino "because he fields his position better"

 

???

[fstorm1]

Let me just say I'm not defending Aquino. He screwed up, again, and as far as I'm concerned, he should go down and (hopefully) work things out.

 

But I'm not going to jump on Ned for this. It's not Ned's fault that Aquino couldn't throw strikes, and then when he did, he hung 'em. It's all about hatred and by golly, this site is full of folks who are willing to jump on Ned for anything.

 

Sure, Cordero was ready. Heck, Turnbow probably could've gone too. But then they'd be burned for the next game, and maybe another. Makes zero sense to overwork these guys in April. It was a tie game. Tomorrow they may be up by one and, if they'd used Turnbow and/or Cordero tonight, they wouldn't be able to go. Then who do we use? Dessens? Aquino?

 

And let's not forget Turnbow got poked around the other night. Mariano Rivera got ripped tonight in Boston. I'm not comparing Aquino to either of those guys, but nobodies perfect and in Ned's case, all he can choose from is who he's got out there, or whomever Melvin gets him.

 

Hate Aquino for this, that's fine. He screwed up. But I really think the hatred for Ned is extreme around here (Powell mentioned it the other night on the radio...not sure if it was directed at BF.net, but it certainly applies).

[saget]

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Yost just said they brought in Aquino "because he fields his position better"

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That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard...

[Fatter than Joey]

It's all about hatred and by golly, this site is full of folks who are willing to jump on Ned for anything.

 

Hatred?? -- c'mon -- Ned choked this game away. No one hates Ned. Ned should be called out for this.

 

Mariano Rivera got ripped tonight in Boston.

 

So what? -- that makes leaving Aquino in the game defensible?

 

Tomorrow they may be up by one

 

This is true -- but we should win the games we are in.

 

Edit: (Powell mentioned it the other night on the radio...not sure if it was directed at BF.net, but it certainly applies)

 

Yost has a career 45% winning pct. he has never had a winning season -- why should he not be feeling some heat?

[Cyanogen5]

I am not a Ned Yost hater, but he screwed up on this one. First of all Aquino couldn't even take the out that Everett was trying to give him. After the botched play at third, the bases were loaded with nobody out...in a tie game you go to your best pitcher, period. Cordero should have come in the game. I don't care if that makes him unavailable tomorrow...the focus should be on today. Tomorrow we could blow them out (or get blown out) and he would have an off day anyway. You can't just punt this game...Ned Yost blew it, and that is the bottom line.

[hawing]

Powell mentioned it the other night on the radio...not sure if it was directed at BF.net, but it certainly applies.

 

I heard the same thing, fstorm, and wondered the same thing you must have. To me it felt like JP stopped just short of saying "...like on brewerfan.net."

 

Aquino delivered vs. Florida the other night. Maybe the key is not saving him for inherited-runners situations. Or maybe he's completely lost it. Problem is, even two crummy outings in four games isn't iron-clad proof of anything.

[Fatter than Joey]

Problem is, even two crummy outings in four games isn't iron-clad proof of anything.

 

In the case of Aquino that is probably correct -- but Ned's inability to use his pitchers goes back to Day 1 -- I think that is where most people are concerned.

[saget]

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I am not a Ned Yost hater, but he screwed up on this one. First of all Aquino couldn't even take the out that Everett was trying to give him. After the botched play at third, the bases were loaded with nobody out...in a tie game you go to your best pitcher, period. Cordero should have come in the game. I don't care if that makes him unavailable tomorrow...the focus should be on today. Tomorrow we could blow them out (or get blown out) and he would have an off day anyway. You can't just punt this game...Ned Yost blew it, and that is the bottom line.

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Yes. Isn't there a saying in baseball "worry about tomorrow tomorrow" or something like that? Ugh

[iluvlamp]

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But I'm not going to jump on Ned for this. It's not Ned's fault that Aquino couldn't throw strikes, and then when he did, he hung 'em. It's all about hatred and by golly, this site is full of folks who are willing to jump on Ned for anything.

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I will. What Ned did was stupid tonight. He brought a guy in who lets inherited runners score more than Wilt. It is Ned's fault that he refuses to see this. There were guys in the bullpen who could have stopped the bleeding but Ned sticks with Aquino. Aquino! The guy who so crapped his pants on the mound the other day that he threw a ball to the backstop to walk a run in in a crucial situation! Then Ned left him in. And in. And in. And in.

 

Tonight was the same, NED...YOU HAVE OTHER PITCHERS!

[endaround]

Aquino isn't some new pitcher. He has over two full season in the majors and is 29. He is what he is. And thats a power pitcher with serious control issues. He walks 4.5/9.

http://www.fangraphs.com/graphs/1899_P_season_full_2_20070419.png

 

This is a guy you should never trust with men on base.

[fstorm1]

Hatred?? -- c'mon -- Ned choked this game away. No one hates Ned. Ned should be called out for this.

 

Because he pitched so poorly this evening.

So what? -- that makes leaving Aquino in the game defensible?

 

Read the rest of my post. I mentioned "nobodies perfect". Everybody screaming for Turnbow and Cordero every night. The Turnbow everybody was ready to throw into Lake Michigan after last year. The Cordero who pitched so badly in Texas last year they were happy to send him over here. "Nobodies perfect".

 

This is true -- but we should win the games we are in.

 

I agree. And I think that would be lovely. But there's alot of very good players and teams in this league, and, to throw out the cliche, "You can't win 'em all".

 

Yost has a career 45% winning pct. he has never had a winning season -- why should he not be feeling some heat?

 

He should be feeling heat. Because this year he has the talent to succeed. Can we honestly say he had this kind of talent in previous years? Healthy talent?

 

Now I remember why I rarely post in the Major League forum anymore. As razzzorsharp put so eloquently (punctuation aside) in the 300 wins thread: "300 (wins), thats pathetic? Most Brewerfan posters would have had at least double that in that time.".

[Team Canada]

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard...

 

 

Seconded. What a moronic statement. That's like saying you decided to pinch hit Fielder for Counsell because he gets out of the box quicker.

[iluvlamp]

fstorm...seriously, you believe it was the right call for Yost to bring in a guy that scores virtually all inherited runners? If not all. You actually believe Yost didn't leave that pitcher out there too long?

[jlau20]

By no means am I a Ned hater, even though I question his bullpen usage in the past, and that came up again tonight. First, let me say I think he's done nice things in Milwaukee, even without having a winning record on a season yet.

 

But...he deserves to take a little heat for this one, especially based on the rationale he offered after the game as to why he chose Aquino.

 

From my viewpoint atleast, if Yost goes with Turnbow or Cordero (and still lose), I don't think he deserves the heat. With Turnbow and Cordero you know what your getting, and if they get beat, they get beat. Sure Turnbow had a hiccup yesterday, but that isn't indicative of what he's done on the season. But with Aquino's outings this year, aside from one, there, in my mind, is no justification for bringing him in in a 2-2 game in the top of the 9th against the team that is hot on your tail in second place.

[Blazer25]

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Yost just said they brought in Aquino "because he fields his position better"

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I heard that too. ??? Ned's gotten so bad he doesn't even have plausible excuses. That was absolutely indefensible even for the Ned apologists.

 

Why not let Wise throw to the guy who was 100% going to bunt? Then go get your closer to get the last 2 outs...or Turnbow...or Villy...or Shouse.

 

 

And to those who say Turnbow or Cordero wasn't available...that's Ned's fault too.

 

Turnbow had no business being in that game yesterday. You're up 4 and have your long man (Villy) in the damn game...leave him in to finish up. You don't need that 5th run...he shouldn't have pinch hit for him.

 

Otherwise what's the flipping point of having 2 long relievers?

 

Anyone want to sponsor www.firenedyost.com ?

 

I know I've got a new signature for the rest of the year:

 

Ned Yost: turning wins into losses...

[hawing]

Seconded. What a moronic statement.

 

Is "thirded" a word?

He fields his position better? Is he better at fielding than at pitching? That sounds like a lame excuse. I'd honestly rather hear something that's just plain lame (like "I guess he didn't have it tonight...again.")

 

I'm not as fed up with Ned as some of you, but that does not compute.

[Fatter than Joey]

Read the rest of my post. I mentioned "nobodies perfect".

 

I read it -- didn't think it merited comment. "Nobodies perfect" has no meaning. People whip out this generic statement when Yost does something inexplicable. If you look at Ted Williams best season -- he made outs about 60% of the time -- far from perfect. That does not make Chad Moeller a good hitter.

 

Everybody screaming for Turnbow and Cordero every night. The Turnbow everybody was ready to throw into Lake Michigan after last year. The Cordero who pitched so badly in Texas last year they were happy to send him over here. "Nobodies perfect".

 

Cordero only had a few bad games in April -- Cordero had a solid 2006. Yost had him warming up -- Aquino was clearly struggling. Anybody would have been better -- Yost said he took out Wise because Aquino "fields his position better"

 

But there's alot of very good players and teams in this league, and, to throw out the cliche, "You can't win 'em all".

 

Sure -- Hopefully better than 45% though.

[iluvlamp]

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Turnbow had no business being in that game yesterday. You're up 4 and have your long man (Villy) in the damn game...leave him in to finish up. You don't need that 5th run...he shouldn't have pinch hit for him.

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True.

[AJ Love]

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Turnbow had no business being in that game yesterday. You're up 4 and have your long man (Villy) in the damn game...leave him in to finish up. You don't need that 5th run...he shouldn't have pinch hit for him.

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See, that right there is exactly the point!

 

It is not just how Yost used his relief pitchers tonight, it is the whole picture, the way that game to game he misuses his pen