2007 Vent Thread, Part 1

[PeaveyFury]

The Brewers were "beyond" letting a pitcher like De La Rosa struggle and learn on the job, but we're all good with Hall looking like freakin' Scotty Smalls the first time he puts on a glove and takes the field in The Sandlot.

 

I agree with this completely. We're in a position to make a run and shouldn't be in the 'let guys learn on the job' phase, no matter who they are.

 

Hall to 3B, Gross to CF. The only way that shouldn't happen is a Braun call up.

[BrewCityUnit]

Billyhall fan......relax. We all know Bill is your favorite player. This is just a venting thread....let people vent. I'm sure most of the posters on this site like Bill Hall and understnad the big picture. Some people just need to vent.

[billyhallfan]

iluvlamp

 

Wise has had health problems in the past, I hope you know that, it is impossible for him to pitch three days ina row, it just isn't smart, then we wouldn't have him for a month, would you like that?

 

Shouse is a situational lefty, IMO, you are asking for trouble if you try and make him pitch a complete inning, it just isn't something that I would want happening, but that is just me.

 

Maybe Turnbow, but Yost has a plan, and he wants to stick with Turnbow as the set up man, agree, or disagree, there is your answer.

 

 

But please, please, stop saying that Wise should have came in, it isn't physiclly possible, the guy just isn't durable enough to pitch 3 games in a row...

[billyhallfan]

brewcity,

 

it has nothing to do with being my favorite player, I just can't stand it when someone rips on a guy for being unselfish and trying to win in a position that he has never played before, same thing hapened a little with Jenkins last year, though he had played right before, if this were happening to anyone else, I would have the same viewpoint, just because Hall is my favorite player, doesn't mean that I think he can do no wrong, he obviously has made mistakes, but constantly ripping on him just fumes me up because it just seems ignorant to me, I'm allowed to vent toohttp://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/wink.gif

[saget]

I remember an interview with Terry Francona on ESPN like a week ago where they were talking about how to use Papelbon. Francona said he wants to use him in key situations so that he could decide the game. Not just limit him to closer.

 

Perhaps the same should go for T-bow. That was a pretty crucial situation right there, and T-bow has been dealing this year so why not use him there?

[fstorm1]

Huh. Let's see, Aquino prior to tonight:

7G 6.1IP 0R 2BB 5K 0.00ERA 1.11WHIP .217 BAA

 

Seems to me he had done alright. Why not give him a chance in a tough situation? Never know if he's got the toughness to handle it. Better to have him fail in that situation in April than "test" him in that situation in September.

 

Wise had tossed in back to back games. Is he a better option than Aquino? Sure, but with what Aquino had done this far, why not put Aquino out there, then have the regular 8th/9th rotation? Why get into a trend of overusing guys in April?

 

But, yeah, Yost is an idiot for throwing him out there, and telling him to loft 50 foot fastballs. And for telling Bush to struggle all night, and let Cincy back into the game so many times. And for making Hardy and Hall commit errors. And for screwing up the ozone layer. And stealing the Lindbergh baby.

 

I hear Dusty Baker is available.

[valpocrewsader]

(Hate to turn the vent thread into a discussion thread, but....)

 

If you're gonna play Hall out of position so that you can play Counsell out of position, only to bat Counsell 8th, then why not put Hall at 3B and let TGJ play some great D in CF and bat in Counsell's 8th spot? Offense should stay about the same, but defense should be instantly improved dramatically. I wouldn't mind seeing this experiment run for five straight games. Just think how much tighter our all-around defense would be. I'd be okay with Gross in center, but that's really going for the offensive gusto and maybe not making the defense much better considering Gross' speed ... right now I'd just like to see some expert centerfield played.

[iluvlamp]

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Wise has had health problems in the past, I hope you know that, it is impossible for him to pitch three days ina row, it just isn't smart, then we wouldn't have him for a month, would you like that?

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Yost said Wise was available!! IN THE POST GAME. but also said he wasn't tonight. Ned spit the bit and he knows. Ever seen a pitcher hit the backstop on such an important pitch!

[bigmacdaddy68]

I've been so busy lately I haven't gotten to see many of the games on TV, but finally when I do, they let the game get totally out of hand.

 

It all started with the first wild pitch. That prompted the IBB, then he got rattled, and the rest is ugly. Not a very good first impression having not seen Aquino in action until tonight. Were all his other appearances with a big comfy lead and nobody on?

 

Is Shouse that terrible against righties that you pull him after two straight Ks against the heart of the order?

[PeaveyFury]

I've been so busy lately I haven't gotten to see many of the games on TV, but finally when I do, they let the game get totally out of hand.

 

That's a great point. Everytime FSN has the damn Bucks on, the Brewers end up winning, but when I can actually watch them on TV, they get destroyed.

[rluzinski]

Perhaps the same should go for T-bow. That was a pretty crucial situation right there, and T-bow has been dealing this year so why not use him there?

 

That's my thought exactly. It makes no sense to go with your 4th or 5th best reliever in high leverage situations. Turnbow shouldn't be the 8th inning guy, he should be the "we need a good reliever" guy. Yost has to understand how to use his better relievers when the game is on the line.

 

And Aquino has done nothing at the major league level. His nice ERA last year is a mirage. I'll bet you he's not even on the 25 man roster by the end of the year.

[PeaveyFury]

And Aquino has done nothing at the major league level. His nice ERA last year is a mirage.

 

And 2004 was what?

[endaround]

Luck as explained many times.

[iluvlamp]

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That's my thought exactly. It makes no sense to go with your 4th or 5th best reliever in high leverage situations. Turnbow shouldn't be the 8th inning guy, he should be the "we need a good reliever" guy. Yost has to understand how to use his better relievers when the game is on the line.

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That doesn't make this untrue though.

[Sopranos62]

Powell mentioned that even though Aquino's ERA was 0.00 he had let 4 of 5 inherited runners score prior to tonight's meltdown. In a critical situation he completely blew it. If what Powell said is correct he's let 6 of 8 inherited runners score so far this season and that is unacceptable IMO.

 

Jason

[Schlitz001]

I posted this in the in game thread, but it's probably more appropriate here. It's my first vent:

 

People who were watching this game can't honestly tell me that after Aquino threw his 8th straight ball to Adrian Gonzales, they were thinking, "Boy let's leave Aquino in for one more batter". His pitches were erratic and way out of the strike zone. I know I was thinking, "I wonder who's warming up in the bullpen".

 

I don't mean to get defensive, but I dare you to find a post were I have blamed Yost or any Brewer for a loss, but it bothers me that some move wasn't made to the bullpen in this close of a game. All we needed was one out, and a fresh arm like Turnbow could have recorded that out. I will blame a manager for not making a decision that most managers, and even most people watching the game, would have made.

[bigmacdaddy68]

Come on guys, maybe putting in T-bow or Wise after the second walk could have gotten them out of it but more likely they would have allowed some runs too and we'd be blaming them right now. The damage was done, so Yost decided to let Aquino sleep in the bed he made.

[iluvlamp]

Schlitz..there wasn't even anyone warming up. Depressing.

 

BIg..

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The damage was done, so Yost decided to let Aquino sleep in the bed he made.

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That's the problem. And it's happened too many times.

[Invader3K]

What's more depressing is that the Brewers gave first place to the Reds due to this late game meltdown. Not the sign of a contender, IMO. Yes, it's just one game, but they add up pretty quick when you're playing division opponents.

[yfinn6]

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Come on guys, maybe putting in T-bow or Wise after the second walk could have gotten them out of it but more likely they would have allowed some runs too and we'd be blaming them right now. The damage was done, so Yost decided to let Aquino sleep in the bed he made.

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Wise couldn't go. He had pitched 2 consecutive days. So if anything the Brewers' starting pitching had 'made the bed'.

 

Sheets on Sunday didn't last long, either did Capuano, or Bush. Not to say the latter two had bad outings, but they didn't get very deep into the game. Sheets had a sub-par outing, the bullpen had been worked pretty extensively in the past few games.

 

It sucks but I don't think there was much Yost could do besides stick with Aquino, or throw Dessens in a crucial spot. That or keep Shouse in against the right handed batter, which is a an obvious call to go to the RHP.

 

It's just hard for me to blame Yost on this one, he made some good moves with the baserunners to score some runs. The bullpen was just over-worked, hopefully tomorrow our starter gets into the 7th. Some of them could use the rest.

[JoeH33]

People who go nuts blaming Yost for leaving Aquino in last night's game tick me off. Wasn't it just a couple days ago that Aquino was lights out in Florida and was a big reason we won that game? Its a long season and these types of things happen to every team....Even Contenders!

 

Just get over it! Its only 1 of 162 games.

[lcbj68c]

Can we finish a game, finish a series? Where's that killer instinct. Keep the foot on the throat and don't let up. 2 outs, can't get the 3rd, 7-8inning lead, can't finish. Win series openers, can't sweep. Let's finish and get some killer instinct for crying out loud.

 

I feel better.

[endaround]

See smart people look at Aquino's full career, not just one inning against a young team in an offense killing stadium. There is a reason why the DBacks didn't trust Aquino in close games.

 

And no Wise not being available was Yost's fault. No way should have Wise been used either Sunday or Monday. Why was Wise in two blowout games?

[JoeH33]

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See smart people look at Aquino's full career, not just one inning against a young team in an offense killing stadium.

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If your going to call me stupid just come out and say it.

[naivin]

Some people just won't be happy until the Brewers lose a game like that with a different manager. Then again, with someone else managing, the starting pitchers would work 6-7 innings every night, and the well rested bullpen would never fail to get the job done. If Doug Melvin would just make a change today, 156-6 is still in reach.