Michael Young?

[yoshii8]

I guess if the Brewers front office thought he could still play shortstop, and the Rangers pick up about 15-20 million of his contract I'd be ok w/ picking him up.

[RockCoCougars]

I have no interest in Young whatsoever, unless the Rangers pay about 90% of his salary. Frankly, I don't think that he'd be much of an upgrade over Betancourt. He's basically the Jeff Suppan of hitters right now (right up there with Vernon Wells). He's poor defensively, and I wonder how much his offensive numbers have been helped by playing home games in Arlington. He's never really hit with much power either. Plus he's old.

[brewtank34]

MLBTR is reporting that Young has a list of 8 teams that he's willing to drop his no trade option for. Brewers are not on that list. The Cardinals and Astros are however. Not worried about the Stros but if he signs with the Cards, that could hurt a lot.

[RockCoCougars]

MLBTR is reporting that Young has a list of 8 teams that he's willing to drop his no trade option for. Brewers are not on that list. The Cardinals and Astros are however. Not worried about the Stros but if he signs with the Cards, that could hurt a lot.

I disagree. I'd love to see one of the division rivals pick this contract up. He's basically Mark Loretta with 20 home run type power potential- not a bad thing- but he makes about $15 million a season. If the Rangers are able to trade him without eating a huge chunk of salary and/or taking a bad contract in return, it would be a miracle. This contract has to be one of the 5 or 10 worst in baseball right now.

 

As for the Brewers getting him to replace Fielder at first base, I'd rather have Gamel any day- even at the same salary. Young is already nearing 35 years old.

[Warning Track Power]

MLBTR is reporting that Young has a list of 8 teams that he's willing to drop his no trade option for. Brewers are not on that list. The Cardinals and Astros are however. Not worried about the Stros but if he signs with the Cards, that could hurt a lot.

I agree that it would hurt this season but if he is dealt to the Cards it may help in the long term due to their inability to resign Pujols and Wainwright and to a lesser extent Carpenter after 2011. The only way a trade to the Cards happens would be if a substantial amount of Young's salary is picked up by the Rangers.

 

 

[mothershipconnection]

What about playing Young at 1B after Fielder leaves?

 

I'm not advocating trading for him, but there could be a spot for him.

 

He'll be 35 the season after Fielder leaves and has 2 career seasons with an OPS of .850 or better (in Texas). At 1B, he's pretty much Lyle Overbay, and I wouldn't pay much more for him.

[PrinceEatMeat]

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Doesn't mean much but Olney says Young makes sense for the Brewers at SS. I agree, although it obviously won't happen. We don't have the prospects, or the money, at this point.

[trwi7]

Young doesn't make any sense. The thing holding us back is defense and over their careers Young has been worse than Betancourt at SS. Pitching is fine, offense is fine, defense is awful so somehow adding salary and making the defense worse than it already is makes sense for us?

[RockCoCougars]

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Doesn't mean much but Olney says Young makes sense for the Brewers at SS. I agree, although it obviously won't happen. We don't have the prospects, or the money, at this point.

Olney needs to stop the madness- like anyone would give up any meaningful prospect for Young. Young is a slight upgrade over Betancourt at this point, but frankly I don't think he would be much better defensively, if at all. He is not worth more than a third of what he is making, and the Brewers are almost free of bad contracts.... in conclusion, Young makes absolutely no sense.

[JohnBriggs12]

After this year, if both Fielder and Weeks depart, it might make some sense. The Brewers would have the money, another year to develop a prospect or two that would interest Texas, and the Rangers would still likely pick up part of that contract.

 

I completely disagree with motheshipconnection. Overbay doesn't belong in the same sentence as Young. Young might not be a top 1B, but given the alternatives, is certainly a better option than Overbay. Plus I would presume he can still play some at 2B (replacing Weeks) where he'd still be in the upper half offensively.

[Warning Track Power]

JohnBriggs12[/b]]After this year, if both Fielder and Weeks depart, it might make some sense. The Brewers would have the money, another year to develop a prospect or two that would interest Texas, and the Rangers would still likely pick up part of that contract.

The only way I could agree with you on this statement is if the Rangers pay a majority, to the tune of $12 of the $16MM per year and even then I can't see a good reason for us to invest heavily in a 34 year old Michael Young. If we lose Prince, it is more prudent to use the funding available to attempt to re-sign Greinke and play Gamel. And if we were to lose Rickie and Prince, I would rather us spend money in other places and allow Gamel to replace Prince and Farris/FA to replace to Rickie. I'm not convinced a 35 year old Young season would be much more than what Gamel would produce hence my hesitance to take on even a portion of his deal.

[mothershipconnection]

I completely disagree with motheshipconnection. Overbay doesn't belong in the same sentence as Young. Young might not be a top 1B, but given the alternatives, is certainly a better option than Overbay. Plus I would presume he can still play some at 2B (replacing Weeks) where he'd still be in the upper half offensively.

 

I don't see how the .805 career OPS and 111 OPS+ for Overbay vs .795 OPS and 105 OPS+ for Young could evoke complete disagreement.

 

Overbay's last 3 seasons (OPS+ in parentheses)

.777 (108)

.838 (119)

.762 (107)

 

Young's last 3, while playing in a hitter's park

.741 (95)

.892 (128)

.774 (105)

 

As a 1B and replacement for Prince, which is the context of the comparison, there ain't much difference here.

[Raw Biz]

Melvin said no Young.

We can probably put this rumor to rest, though it could just be Melvin speak. Trading Wolf for Young and money would offset some of Young's contract but I think it would hurt our pitching too much. Wolf isn't a stud but he's a pretty darn good #4.

[Invader3K]

Melvin said no Young.

We can probably put this rumor to rest, though it could just be Melvin speak. Trading Wolf for Young and money would offset some of Young's contract but I think it would hurt our pitching too much. Wolf isn't a stud but he's a pretty darn good #4.

Yeah, there's no way I would want to see Melvin trade any of our starting pitchers for him (not even Narveson). I'm very content with our rotation as it is, plus having Rogers waiting in the wings. It wouldn't make sense to disrupt that for a slight upgrade.

[JohnBriggs12]

The need to let Rogers and one or two others mature a bit before they dangle Wolf out there, but if they do, he's a logical guy to shop after the season when those guys may be ready and there are alternatives that could be cheaper.

[TooLiveBrew]

Melvin said no Young.

Thank goodness. This idea never made sense in the first place, though.

[RockCoCougars]

Young is like Suppan after the first year- three years remaining on a horrible contract, and he's 35-ish to boot. Too bad that he can't play shortstop anymore, because I'm sure that he will be available for little or nothing on waivers in July/August. I'm sure the Brewers will stay far away- as they should.

[pete]

Classic Melvin speak: he hasn't called them and can't see a position at this time. His ego won't let him admit mistakes and in truth Yuni might not be the trainwreck he's made out as. Regardless, the Rangers would have to send a bunch of money and there wouldn't be much going back in the way of prospects. The trade deadline is when something might happen. I could see more prospects going for someone like Aybar too. Even that would require Melvin to admit a mistake. Has that ever happened? About as close as I can remember was him citing statistics on how bad the FA pitching was in the year he changed Suppan's life forever.

[chuckiehacks]

Even that would require Melvin to admit a mistake. Has that ever happened?

How about eating significant money by getting rid of Hall & Suppan?

[RockCoCougars]

Even that would require Melvin to admit a mistake. Has that ever happened?

Even the Betancourt doomsayers have to admit that he was almost certainly a poison pill (e.g. salary dump) that the Brewers had to accept to get the Greinke deal done. Despite this, the man hasn't even taken the field for the Brewers yet. I'm willing to watch him play before running him out of town on a rail. Michael Young has always been overrated and he's getting old- put him at shortstop and you have a slight upgrade at best- the Rangers moved him from shortstop because they didn't think that he could field the position anymore. He may hit .300 for you with a little pop, but is that really worth $50 million over the next three seasons? I don't think so. It would basically be akin to giving Suppan $40 million because the Brewers had Victor Santos pencilled in as the number two in the off-season.

[Hate those Rodents]

I don't know if this guy can play short at all, but if he can, I think we may have missed the boat not trying to get him when it looked like Texas would trade him and get the short end of the stick in a deal. He's having an all-star type season for Texas. I know he's getting older and is owed some pretty decent money the next few years, but oh how he'd fit perfectly in our lineup.

[endaround]

He can't play SS at this point. Now sure he'd be better than what we have now but he is owed $16m per from 2011-2013 and he's got a BABIP of .387 so he's going to come down.

[nate82]

He can't play SS at this point. Now sure he'd be better than what we have now but he is owed $16m per from 2011-2013 and he's got a BABIP of .387 so he's going to come down.

Offensively yes but defensively I don't think so. I would have a hard time calling Young equal to Betancourt defensively at SS.