Grady Sizemore

[danzig6767]

Defense and position make a big difference. Even with a bad year Sizemore was 22 WAR over that time while Braun was 16.5 WAR. At his peak so far Braun has had a 4.9 WAR. Sizemore a 7.3 WAR.

Yea, from about 2005-2008, Sizemore was just a fabulous player. A good defensive CF who could put up the offensive stats that he did was a type of player that there aren't many of in the league from year to year.

 

Just imagine having the 2006 Sizemore on this team even if Braun was removed. A good defensive CF who put up a .375OBP, 28HR, 53 doubles, and 11 triples. Melvin then could have gone out and tried to find some half way decent corner OF to replace Braun, stopgap corner guys generally are easier to find than a CF.

[KCBrewerfan34]

A writer by the name of Hoynes recently answered questions from Indians fans. He works for the Cleveland Plains Dealer. His answer to the question Will the Indians trade Sizemore. The question now is would Cleveland love to dump the money??? And from the Brewer perspective, his health.

 

 

Hey, Leslie: I don't think Sizemore has any trade value because no one, including the Indians, knows if he'll be able to rebound from the microfracture surgery on his left knee and play in 2011.

 

A team, contender or not, would make a serious mistake acquiring Sizemore at this time unless they had a great crystal ball. I would think the earliest a team would inquire about Sizemore would be the All-Star break and only if he was able to play a significant number of games in the first half.

[RockCoCougars]

I don't know or particularly care how WAR is calculated, but I have a tough time believing that Sizemore was ever a better player than Braun. First of all, even though Braun is adequate at best in left, the argument toward moving him to the outfield revolved around outfield defense not really mattering that much. Secondly, I don't remember Sizemore ever being included in a conversation of best defensive outfielders, he my have won a couple of Gold Gloves, but those are basically a sham.

 

I'm working on the assumption that WAR overvalues center fielders based on their peers This would also explain why Cameron had such a high WAR while he was here. Correct me if I'm wrong, but basically you could put Braun in center field, his defense could be brutal, and his WAR would take a big jump regardless? If so, I don't think that WAR is a relevant stat to compare guys at different positions.

[TooLiveBrew]

I don't know or particularly care how WAR is calculated, but I have a tough time believing that Sizemore was ever a better player than Braun.

 

The reason you're having a hard time with that is precisely because you don't care how WAR is calculated. It's not hard to learn. Sizemore was a far better player than Braun, because Braun is a bad defender at the easiest non-1B position. Meanwhile Sizemore was an excellent defender at the premium OF spot.

 

Sizemore the DH < Braun the DH, but WAR isn't an offense-only stat. If you want to talk about how Braun has been superior to Sizemore, you'll have to just discuss their offense. Obviously Braun's bat has been better than Sizemore's.

 

 

I'm working on the assumption that WAR overvalues center fielders based on their peers. This would also explain why Cameron had such a high WAR while he was here.

 

Offense is harder to find at CF, but guys that play elite defense like Cameron & Sizemore did get rewarded mightily for their glovework since it's a challenging position. The reason Cam has posted strong WARs is that he's been a great defender, and for his position a very good hitter.

 

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but basically you could put Braun in center field, his defense could be brutal, and his WAR would take a big jump regardless?

 

Not at all. Braun's defense would be even worse in CF, and WAR factors in both defense & offense. His offense would be more valuable at CF, of course, but I don't even want to imagine him trying to play CF. That's an ugly thought. I don't know WAR well enough to guesstimate roughly what Braun would produce at CF, but I'm sure someone else here could take a reasonable shot at it if he/she is interested. Might just end up being roughly equivalent to what he's done at LF overall.

[KCBrewerfan34]

Let's hope someone in the Brewer front office sees this thread, if healthy he would be a hUGE get, plus Cleveland wants to move salary. Brewers would be on the hook for 2 years because his option I think turns into another year if he's dealt.

[endaround]

If healthy the Brewers don't have the prospects to get him. If not healthy he isn't worth it to the Brewers to take on his salary. And that is basically why Cleveland won't trade him until the deadline at least. If he proves he's healthy for 1/2 a season his value skyrockets. And even then it might make sense for Cleveland to wait since his option becomes a player option and if playing well he'll opt out. But if Cleveland waits until after they pick up the option he has a full year to trade.