Brewers trade Villanueva to Toronto for a PTBNL [Latest: Brewers get cash]

[crewcrazy]

No news yet. The teams have until 6 months after the deal was completed to announce the player, so it could be awhile yet, especially since it's not expected to be anyone significant.

[brewmann04]

a low level potential pitching prospect or a minor prospect at the SS position.

[Mass Haas]

Rotoworld:Blue Jays and RHP Carlos Villanueva avoided arbitration Saturday by agreeing to a one-year, $1.415 million contract.

So he'd be guaranteed 1/6th of that should he be released in spring training. Figure him to stick...

[Bombers]

Any word on where this is at? Did we ever get somebody in return? If not, don't they only have a week left to name that person?

[nate82]

Any word on where this is at? Did we ever get somebody in return? If not, don't they only have a week left to name that person?

None and they have until June.

[Mass Haas]

Adam:

 

General manager Doug Melvin said the Brewers and Blue Jays would probably finalize the Carlos Villanueva trade next week. The Brewers sent Villanueva, a reliever, to Toronto on Dec. 3 for a player to be named later or cash. Melvin said the Brewers would probably opt for cash, but, "we'll take a look at it and see." The Brewers were considering non-tendering Villanueva when they found a last-minute trade partner in Toronto.

[trwi7]

We can use some of that cash to pay for Kotsay's or Betancourt's salary. http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/frown.gif

[brewmann04]

take the player who might be worth something down the line we don't need the cash .

[paul253]

At this point I would take a lower level prospect who has the chance to be a major league contributor. Their system is empty.

[Point Beer Is Best]

Brewers get cash rather than a PTBNL.

[liveforoctober]

I wonder how much cash it was ... is that info that we are can obtain somehow?

[JohnBriggs12]

Villanueva has allowed 1 hit and fanned 11 in his first 9 2/3 innings as a Blue Jay.

 

Sean Green, who ostensibly replaced him in order to save roughly $500K, has a 1.588 WHIP, with 4 hits allowed and 5 walks in 5 2/3 innings.

[jjfanec]

Villanueva has allowed 1 hit and fanned 11 in his first 9 2/3 innings as a Blue Jay.

 

Sean Green, who ostensibly replaced him in order to save roughly $500K, has a 1.588 WHIP, with 4 hits allowed and 5 walks in 5 2/3 innings.

I hope Carlos has turned the corner. He would look very good for a little while and then he would look like he could not get anyone out. In those same 9 innings he has walked 6 guys. Averaging over a walk every two innings will come back to haunt him. His WHIP the last 4 years was 1.31 or higher so once hits start to drop those numbers will slide to the norm.

 

On the other side Green has not been good at all. But I dont know if you can say he replaced Carlos since Green wont be on the roster when Hawkins and Saito are back, will he?

[Invader3K]

Yeah, I don't know if you can really say Green replaced Villanueva. In terms of dollars spent, Saito was probably the real replacement.

[endaround]

Pretty sure Villaneuva can be explained by a BABIP of .000. He'll suddenly "suck" in May.

[JohnBriggs12]

Pretty sure Villaneuva can be explained by a BABIP of .000. He'll suddenly "suck" in May.

May so far: 9 2/3 IP, 6 hits, 1 run, 2 BB, 10 K. 0.93 ERA.

 

Villanueva is scheduled to make his first start since 2009 tonight against the Yankees. He's replacing injured Jesse Litsch in the Blue Jay rotation.

 

Blue Jay manager John Farrell on Villanueva: "Those numbers stand for themselves. If you go on merit alone, he's earned the opportunity to go into the rotation".

[And That]

Villanueva's BABIP: .148 (career .278)

Villanueva's LOB%: 93% (career 74.9%)

Villanueva's HR/FB: 6.9% (career 12.2%)

 

His ERA is 1.48. He has a 3.77 xFIP and 3.85 SIERA, so pitching well, but he does appear to be pitching with quite a bit of luck. He's almost the anti-Greinke.

 

The jury is still out if he's worth the $1.45M he's getting paid this year. Probably will be.

[JohnBriggs12]

Villanueva's BABIP: .148 (career .278)

Villanueva's LOB%: 93% (career 74.9%)

Villanueva's HR/FB: 6.9% (career 12.2%)

 

His ERA is 1.48. He has a 3.77 xFIP and 3.85 SIERA, so pitching well, but he does appear to be pitching with quite a bit of luck. He's almost the anti-Greinke.

 

The jury is still out if he's worth the $1.45M he's getting paid this year. Probably will be.

Considering he had 11.4 SO per 9 IP, a 3.05 SO/BB ratio, a .238 BAA, and .702 OPS against in 2010, one could easily make the case, he was extremely unlucky last year.

[And That]

Villanueva was unlucky last year. But I'm not comparing this year to last year.

[CheezWizHed]

Don't underestimate what a change of scenery can do also. There is no way of knowing that he would have or could have put up those same numbers for us. I'm happy he is doing well, but I agreed with the trade also (although, it would have been nice to get some player back instead of cash, given the state of our farm system).

[rluzinski]

24 IP of relief work? On a personal level, I'm glad he has a nice ERA but there's nothing about his numbers that suggest anything exciting is going on.

[Roderick]

he's earned the opportunity to go into the rotation".

Mark it down. Kiss of death.

[JohnBriggs12]

Roderick]

he's earned the opportunity to go into the rotation".

Mark it down. Kiss of death.

That's his manager's words, not mine. My point isn't that dealing Villanueva was a bad idea necessarily but that the timing insured minimal return.

[liveforoctober]

He struck out the side in the first. Carlos V is on his game!

[Funketown]

Nice outing from CV. 5 IP, 5 K, 2 H, 1 ER, 1 BB.