Brewers in front with Nationals for Carl Pavano?

[splitterpfj]

When you look at the pitching the Brewers have had over the last two seasons, I just can't imagine Pavano hurting the team's chances in 2011, and I do think adding one more starting pitcher gives the Brewers an honest shot at a playoff spot. For that, I like adding Pavano.

 

Giving a 3-year deal to a guy who has missed as much time as he has...that is a big-time risk. For those who think Melvin has not "learned his lesson" from Suppan...I don't believe decisions like this are being made by the GM alone.

[crewcrazy]

I could see why some wouldn't see it as an automatic bad signing -- for the most part, he pitched the same way in 2010 that he did in 2009, and over the course of his career he's been a lock for 3 WAR as long as he's been healthy. My concern would be the fact that he turns 35 in January and relies so much on the defense to make him look good. If the Brewers don't make any moves to improve their defense (and so far it doesn't look like they will), I would have an uneasy feeling about the signing.

 

As far as a #4 pitcher goes, he'd be an upgrade for 2011, but the contract demands are the most worrisome part of this. I suppose I could live with two years with an option for a third, but I don't think that gets him away from Minnesota. All reports seem to say that he's looking for the 3/33 deal Ted Lilly got to stay with the Dodgers.

[Warning Track Power]

The fact that some people think this could be a good idea has me completely puzzled.

 

I'll second this notion. I could write all day about how bad of a move this would be but I'll save you all from that. Simply looking at it from a fans perspective, I don't see how one can be ecstatic or even mildly happy about this signing. He's Dave Bush except we could probably sign two Bushes for what one Pavano costs.

 

This makes no sense.

[Beast Light]

I'll second this notion. I could write all day about how bad of a move this would be but I'll save you all from that. Simply looking at it from a fans perspective, I don't see how one can be ecstatic or even mildly happy about this signing. He's Dave Bush except we could probably sign two Bushes for what one Pavano costs.

 

This makes no sense.

The only difference is that Carl Pavano would probably miss more games than the two Dave Bushes combined. I was never a big Dave Bush fan but all things considered, I'd take him over Pavano in a heartbeat.

[MNBrew]

The only difference is that Carl Pavano would probably miss more games than the two Dave Bushes combined. I was never a big Dave Bush fan but all things considered, I'd take him over Pavano in a heartbeat.

Pavano didn't miss a start the past 2 years. Yes, Pavano was much-injured in New York. But while none of us has a crystal ball, saying Pavano is sure to miss lots of starts due to his previous injury history while ignoring his past 2 years is like saying Paul Molitor was sure to miss lots of games any season in the 2nd half of his career based on the fact that he missed so much time in the 1st half of his career. . . . . It's convenient logic, but hardly sure to be correct.

[Warning Track Power]

And I'd like to add Pavano is all of 14 months removed from leading the American League in most earned runs against. As in he gave up the most earned runs in the AL in 2009.

[Mr Southpaw]

Number 4 pitchers don't cost $30 mill for 3 years. No no no no

[Ennder]

Pavano is a step ahead of Suppan, it was really obvious that Suppan's ERA was a combination of park and defense for STL as his peripherals were still generally in the upper 4s. Pavano is consistently in the low 4's for peripherals.

 

I would be ok with a 2 year deal for Pavano but not interested at all in a 3 year deal and a 4 year deal would be terrible.

[Warning Track Power]

Pavano is a step ahead of Suppan, it was really obvious that Suppan's ERA was a combination of park and defense for STL as his peripherals were still generally in the upper 4s.

Didn't do the research but I'd be curious to see what Pavano's was from 2009 in the Metrodome to 2010 in Target Field. His ERA dropped an entire run from 2009 to 2010.

 

 

[BrewCrewForever]

If they sign Pavano for 3 years $30 mill, that would be an ultimate face palm. When will you learn Doug Melvin! A could buy a 2 year deal, but that is not happening. To me Pavano is a step up from Suppan, but not better than Wolf. I could be wrong if it happens, but this could be an ugly mistake. Consider the Twins park and defense. He won't have that with the Brewers.

 

He is 35 years old. Nuff said.

 

Melvin made a great move by trading for Marcum and now he might go and do something like this. Shame.

[Spidey]

I don't really want to compare Pavano to Suppan, but the contract that Pavano will get would be a bad idea for the Brewers. While perhaps a year shorter than Suppan's, it may very well handcuff the Brewers financially in the future. The wailing and moaning of Suppan's contract was dominant here at BF.net for so long, and many complained that Wolf's contract would be bad as well. I just think that Pavano is old, and not very good. The Brewers should not go two or three years at 10+ Million/year for him. I've also believe he's horrible at holding runners on base, which might be a problem with our catchers.

[Spidey]

Giving a 3-year deal to a guy who has missed as much time as he has...that is a big-time risk. For those who think Melvin has not "learned his lesson" from Suppan...I don't believe decisions like this are being made by the GM alone.

Splitterpfj may have hit it on the head...

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/12/carl-pavano-rumors-wednesday.html

 

Brewers are dining with Pavano and agent tonight, and Morosi says that Mark A. would "increase payroll to accomodate the right pitcher."

 

"I've got a bad feeling about this. Turn the ship around!"

[TooLiveBrew]

-- "You can't win, but there are alternatives to fighting."

 

 

This is still true in Brewers fans' situations here, right? Right?!?

[barbados73]

I really hope that they do not sign Pavano, because I think everyone hear can see what the outcome is more than likely going to look like. Overpaying for an average pitcher at best. I would prefer the Brewers either bring Cappy back or take the approach of bringing in a couple "bounceback" players over signing Pavano for multiple years.

[MJLiverock]

Agh the old it's not Melvin's fault he has made poor decisions it is Mark A.

 

Or it makes perfect sense that the GM of a small market team, or any team for that matter, would need to talk to the owner about going over budget. Even Cashman has mentioned having to talk to the big Stein before some of their monstrous offers.

[tyguy20204]

Mark A. dining with Pavano tonight? Expect a deal tomorrow.

[PrinceEatMeat]

Please, please do us a favor and sign with the Twins or Nationals Pavano. We don't want you here.

[Beast Light]

Pavano didn't miss a start the past 2 years. Yes, Pavano was much-injured in New York. But while none of us has a crystal ball, saying Pavano is sure to miss lots of starts due to his previous injury history while ignoring his past 2 years is like saying Paul Molitor was sure to miss lots of games any season in the 2nd half of his career based on the fact that he missed so much time in the 1st half of his career. . . . . It's convenient logic, but hardly sure to be correct.

Pavano has missed some serious time due to injury over the years. Even if we throw the contract year coincidence aside, the fact that he made only 26 of what should have been 128 starts over a 4 years span with the Yankees needs to be taken into consideration.

 

I'm not sure a team like the Brewers should be handing out a 3 year $30MM contract to any player over the age of 34 much less a guy who has been very average all the while missing significant time to injury over the course of his career. There is literally no upside to giving him such a contract.

 

If the Brewers do end up making this deal, I will no longer hold any small market sympathy for them.

 

 

[splitterpfj]

MJL, I don't know that anyone believes Doug Melvin hasn't made some lousy decisions in his time with the Brewers. Personally, I realize that he's made some great moves, and some rotten ones, I just believe when it comes to committing tens of millions of Mr Attanasio's dollars, Mr Melvin most likely consults with his employer.

 

I could be completely wrong, but I believe Mr Attanasio has instructed his staff to "win now." I think it's "Get Two Starting Pitchers or Bust", and the attempts to trade for another one got nowhere. Pavano has red flags all over him, but if you go the free agent route, he's the sort the Brewers can afford, and believe it or not, he's a safer health risk right now than a lot of the other pitchers who are available.

 

Exhibit 3,406,908....small market teams pay a huge price when they fail to develop pitching.

[PrinceFielderx1]

If the Brewers sign Pavano does anybody think the Brewers will trade for a 3rd pitcher to bump Narveson from the rotation and make it even more solid?

[barbados73]

If the Brewers sign Pavano that will be the end of the pitchers they bring in except for maybe resigning Capuano or someone like that. They won't be dealing for and other SP(unless Fielder gets traded for a young SP). Worst thing about possibly signing Pavano is that he is type A free agent so we would have to give a pick as well as blow money.

[And That]

The Brewers are fine with Narveson as the 5th guy, though they'll probably keep trying to bring back Capuano to challenge him. The Brewers also will have Rivas, Rodgers and Jeffress in AAA (if Jeffress is still starting).

[PrinceEatMeat]

I don't think words can even describe how pissed off I'll be if we sign Pavano, much less to a 3-year, $30 million deal.

[PrinceFielderx1]

I'd like the Brewers to set their sights higher than Pavano. Even if they will have to give up a couple high end pitching prospects to get the deal done like (Jeffress/Odorizzi/Rivas/Peralta). That would be better than spending 30+ million over 3 years for Pavano and surrendering a top draft pick.

[MJLiverock]

Splitter, I don't think we are disagreeing on anything. I think Melvin does consult or get permission from Mark A prior to bog contracts. What I don't put a lot of stock in is the idea that Mark A. Makes Melvin go out and sign player X