Gavin Floyd

[BrewCrewForever]

I would trade Fielder straight up for Floyd in a second. As soon as Kenny Williams called and asked I would be putting the deal through. I really hope this could happen.

[Hate those Rodents]

Well, we'd have to throw in something. I am guessing they'd maybe want Narveson in case Peavey is still hurt. We win in a Fielder for Floyd deal. That would far exceed my expectations as to what Melvin can/will get us for Prince.

 

I started a thread a little over a year ago advocating a JJ Hardy to Baltimore for Jeremy Guthrie trade. I see Baltimore as a great fit for Prince too. I wonder if Guthrie and a top pitching prospect that's around a half year to a full year away would do the trick. I don't expect people to be thrilled with this type of deal but maybe this is realistic?

[MNBrew]

Hate those Rodents]Well, we'd have to throw in something.

Why? A number of folks seem to think this, but it seems mainly based on conjecture about what the market might actually bear for Prince. I'm curious about your rationale, largely because I believe Fielder's far better of a hitter than Floyd is a starting pitcher.

[BritInWI]

I started a thread a little over a year ago advocating a JJ Hardy to Baltimore for Jeremy Guthrie trade. I see Baltimore as a great fit for Prince too. I wonder if Guthrie and a top pitching prospect that's around a half year to a full year away would do the trick. I don't expect people to be thrilled with this type of deal but maybe this is realistic?

Why would a team with no shot at contending next year like Baltimore trade away a valuable starting pitcher, controlled for the next two seasons, and a "top pitching prospect" for one season from a player they're unlikely to be able to keep after that (unless he's really willing to forego a chance to play for a contender any time in the forseeable future)?

[BrewCrewForever]

Hopefully Paul Konerko signs somewhere else, that would make this trade even more possible.

[And That]

They are rumored to be in on Adam Dunn, too. I think both of those guys have to sign elsewhere before we see them hot after Prince again.

[PilprinBuddha]

I would want a prospect as well. Maybe we can sweeten with Parra and get a high ceiling minor leaguer.

[Kelbysdaddy]

mlbtr has been talking about a white sox trade with the rockies of floyd for ian stewart. if that is an even swap then the brewers should be able to get floyd, beckam, and jordan danks for prince.

[RockCoCougars]

Gavin Floyd for Fielder? Yuck. I'd rather just let Fielder walk and take the two draft picks than settle for mediocrity- especially a guy who is only locked in for one season more than Fielder. I may be missing something, but a year of Fielder and two high draft picks or what Prince would bring at the deadline is worth more than two years of Gavin Floyd. By the way, wasn't Floyd shut down last year because of shoulder issues?

[dadofandrew]

3 years of Floyd, who is a very solid SP, as a 4 ERA in the AL translates to a 3.70 ERA in the NL. Yo's career ERA is 3.67.

[RockCoCougars]

I thought that Floyd was only signed through 2012. At any rate, even if he is locked in until 2013, I'm not interested. He is not the #1 or #2 that is needed. Prince is an elite hitter, Floyd is a slightly above average starting pitcher. I'd rather have the picks.

 

How does a .919 OPS translate to the AL- more specifically, the hitter friendly park in Chicago? I can see why the White Sox want Fielder, but they don't really have anything that I'd be interested to give back. Hopefully, they end up overpaying for Dunn.

[dadofandrew]

As noted above, he's a solid #2, as the AL average ERA is about 4.40, and he's well under that...that's what a #2 is. His translated ERA, lowering it generically for the AL/NL switch, has him close to Yo the past couple years. Not going to do better than that other than Lee.

[BrewCrewForever]

While two draft picks are nice, there is no way of knowing if those picks will ever turn out to be anything. Gavin Floyd is a proven major league arm who is no worse than a #3 starter and probably is more of a #2. If the White Sox want Prince and offer Floyd I think Doug would have a hard time turning that down to take a couple of picks in the draft. Just my opinion. I think the proof is in the numbers that Al posted in his posts.

[RockCoCougars]

Floyd may be a solid #3, but at this point the Brewers need a #1 or #1b. In my view, Gallardo is a 2 pitching as a 1 and Wolf is a 3 (at best) pitching as a 2. I don't see a need in stockpiling #3 starters. Floyd will be getting relatively expensive after this year as well. I'll take my chances going into the season with Prince, either taking the draft choices or don't forget that there's the option of flipping him for a package at the deadline if the team is not in contention. If he has his typical huge odd-numbered season, and a team wants to go all in to make a run, you might just get a nice haul for him in July. By then, you will have a better picture of the near term future of these team (they may have to rebuild somewhat if they play as badly as they did in '10). That said, I still think that this team can compete next year if they make the right moves- without Fielder's bat, unless you get an impact arm in return- they won't be as good on paper.

[Oldcity]

Floyd may be a solid #3, but at this point the Brewers need a #1 or #1b.

They aren't going to get that for one year of Fielder.

[RockCoCougars]

Floyd may be a solid #3, but at this point the Brewers need a #1 or #1b.

They aren't going to get that for one year of Fielder.

I agree. However, if they can make a few smart moves, I feel this team has a chance to compete for the division next season. If they settle for the best that they can get for Fielder, I think that puts a huge dent in those hopes, especially if it is for a guy like Floyd. That's why I'm inclined to hold Prince at least until the trade deadline. I see the window closing here, and I'm in the 'go all in' camp. Guys like Greinke and Garza may be available, and if that's the case, you have to pursue them agressively. If they do take this route, and the team is out of contention by mid July again next year, I think that they need to take a long look at least a partial rebuild. If that's the case, hopefully Prince will be having a big year in his contract season, and he can be flipped for a decent package of a couple nearly major league ready guys, who would fit a rebuild process better than a Gavin Floyd type. That said, the best case scenario is the Brewers are competing for the playoffs at that point. Worst case, the team falters, they get no good offers for Prince, he walks and most likely they will net two high draft choices.

 

I guess that I just don't understand why many feel this team will be ready to compete in 2012 after a 'building' 2011. There is a realistic possibility that both Fielder and Weeks will be gone in 2012. That's a huge loss for the offense. Who's going to pick up the slack? There doesn't seem to be a slew of guys in the minors that will be ready to fill their roles by 2012. Further, I don't see any sure shot pitching in the minors that will be realistically ready to pitch effectively in 2012. I wouldn't say that any of Rogers, Rivas and Jeffress are sure bets to be solid MLB starters by any means at that point. They may be on the team, but generally young starters take a while at the MLB level to develop. Odorizzi looks good, but he's still in the low minors.

[dadofandrew]

Garza is better than Floyd (though not a lot better), but Gavin seems like he might be a match, while Matt does not. Shields makes far more sense, I'd prefer Floyd.

 

Grienke would take Lawrie, Cain, and probably Jeffress or another top arm. KC has no use for Prince. I have an issue dealing 18 possible seasons of pre-FA production, half of that at the minimum, for 2 years of a SP.

 

EDIT: Floyd has a lower FIP and xFIP than Garza over the past 3 seasons, but a bit higher ERA. It'd be easy to make the argument Gavin is better, though I would probably still take Garza, salary and cost being equal. That said, Floyd looks to be a consistent, well above average producer. He might blow his arm out with his next pitch, but at the moment, he's near his peak and projects to have about a 3.75 NL ERA, as far as I can tell.

[PilprinBuddha]

Either for Prince would work for me.

[Hate those Rodents]

Article from a Whitesox fan perspective on trading Gavin Floyd.

 

http://www.examiner.com/c...r-return-for-gavin-floyd

[RockCoCougars]

Article from a Whitesox fan perspective on trading Gavin Floyd.

 

http://www.examiner.com/c...r-return-for-gavin-floyd

So this guy is a White Sox fan and would be content with Geovany Soto, Hunter Pence or even Nick Swisher for Floyd? On the face of it, I think that this demonstrates that many are either undervaluing Prince and/or overvaluing Floyd. Either that, or this guy is so consumed with 'player wins' and 'controlled players', he'd trade for mediocrity if the stats backed it (Cost per WAR, or whatever it's called).

[Hate those Rodents]

I just have a hard time having one ounce of an issue if Doug can trade Fielder for three years of a cost controlled pitcher that is at worst a three and more than likely a number two starter.

[brewmann04]

If we going to lose Prince anyway and get two draft picks if we lucky( rember what happened with CC) i rather see them get a starter like Floyd at least it give us 2 #3 starters.

[marty22]

I wonder if we could add a prospect to get beckham included. Maybe prince + jeffress for beckham + Floyd. I agree flys may not be quite enough for fielder, but adding beckham is asking too much.

[miggs721]

Jeffress is our future closer....no guarantee Axford keeps up what he did last year

[endaround]

If Jeffress is the future closer trade him now before anyone else realizes it.