College Basketball 2010-2011

[Glennron]

Ohmygod...

[jason21nl]

Oh, but Leuer felt the need to kill the comeback

 

If they would have given some effort like this the whole game, they would have won, and would have won easily

[PeaveyFury]

Getting out-hustled for a rebound seems like a fitting way to ice it.

[jjfanec]

Leuer was terrible tonight. Just an average game or even below average game and they have a chance in this one. Great career. Horrible ending to it though.

[M Skjellyfetti]

If they would have given some effort like this the whole game

 

Not trying to pick specifically on you, but I've been hearing this throughout the game from Johnson, Miller, etc. Do people really believe that Wisconsin wasn't putting forth effort in this game or not trying or not "wanting it" or whatever you want to call it? I highly doubt you'll find anyone on this team that wasn't putting forth 100% effort the entire game.

[PeaveyFury]

I have to admit that making it close in the end has eliminated much of my anger about this game.

[jason21nl]

They were getting out hustled to just about every loose ball, they were out rebounded even though they were the "bigger" team. They came out flat and stayed that way throughout the whole game until the final 3 minutes.

[jjfanec]

I have to admit that making it close in the end has eliminated much of my anger about this game.

I agree completely. It was good to see their heart. I am actually somewhat excited for next years team. I think Bruiser is going to huge for this team.

 

Skjelly I agree as well. I think the Badger's put forth effort but they simply could not shoot. They had the looks it was just a terrible shooting performance. You get more bounce in your step when you start making shots and that is what happened at the end.

[TooLiveBrew]

Sickening. I don't know how this team wins 25 games every year. When the jump shot doesn't fall, they can do NOTHING.

The swing offense sucks. I hate it. It's designed to be about as reliant on the jumper as an offense can be.

[jjfanec]

Sickening. I don't know how this team wins 25 games every year. When the jump shot doesn't fall, they can do NOTHING.

The swing offense sucks. I hate it. It's designed to be about as reliant on the jumper as an offense can be.

Well it is also meant to rely on posting up but for some reason the Badgers have quite doing that recently. We used to post guards all the time and it just did not happen lately. Taylor is stronger than almost anyone guarding him.

[TooLiveBrew]

Taylor's not the only problem. Leuer & Nankivil were hardly down there posting up at all. Leuer might as well have been 5'10" tonight.

 

I hate the swing offense, not sure if I've ever mentioned that. If I'm coaching against the Badgers, I tell my perimeter defenders to not even worry about being beaten by dribble penetration. The Badgers don't attack off the dribble as a general rule, they just don't. They run weak pick-and-rolls, fake dribble penetration & look around for who to throw out to for a 3-point attempt. I think that's why I've started to love Bruisewitz so much -- he's like the only player who attacks the rim on offense.

 

Oh, and one more grumble. On top of playing a crappy pick-and-roll game on offense, the Badgers defend it poorly to boot. They switched SO much on the perimeter on defense this game, it was just making me sick. With the way they played, they deserved to lose. The recipe to beat the Badgers this season was to over-commit to the perimeter against them on defense, since they wouldn't attack the rim with the dribble, and attack the rim off screen plays on offense.

[jjfanec]

Taylor's not the only problem. Leuer & Nankivil were hardly down there posting up at all. Leuer might as well have been 5'10" tonight.

 

I hate the swing offense, not sure if I've ever mentioned that. If I'm coaching against the Badgers, I tell my perimeter defenders to not even worry about being beaten by dribble penetration. The Badgers don't attack off the dribble as a general rule, they just don't. They run weak pick-and-rolls, fake dribble penetration & look around for who to throw out to for a 3-point attempt. I think that's why I've started to love Bruisewitz so much -- he's like the only player who attacks the rim on offense.

 

Oh, and one more grumble. On top of playing a crappy pick-and-roll game on offense, the Badgers defend it poorly to boot. They switched SO much on the perimeter on defense this game, it was just making me sick. With the way they played, they deserved to lose. The recipe to beat the Badgers this season was to over-commit to the perimeter against them on defense, since they wouldn't attack the rim with the dribble, and attack the rim off screen plays on offense.

Is it the players or the offense though? Who on this team can take people off the dribble? Taylor only a little and Bruiser. When your 2 and 3 cant do it you are in trouble and that is where the Badgers were. When Harris was here and even Hughes when was healthy. We had guys who penetrated. We just have not been able to recruit that guy who can penetrate.

 

I was not trying to blame Taylor for not posting up. The whole team does not do it, and for the life of me I cant understand why. Leuer just did not post up enough and Nankavil had no moves so maybe that is my answer.

 

I agree with your assessment of the team, but I dont think the swing is to blame. Maybe recruiting, because they opportunities to drive are there, they just are not taken.

[Oldcity]

This team's fatal weakness was having no banger inside. Leuer is a rounded player but not a banger. Nankivil is a softy who's timid with the ball and is strictly a perimeter player. Not what you're looking for from a 6'8" power forward-type body. Worst part is, it will only be worse next season. Who will be the inside guys? Berggren, Ryan Evans (yikes), and...?

Last 5 NCAA tourney losses: Butler, Cornell, Xavier, Davidson, UNLV. And 4 weren't even really close. Now THAT is frustrating.

[DuWayne Steurer]

Is it the players or the offense though? Who on this team can take people off the dribble? Taylor only a little and Bruiser. When your 2 and 3 cant do it you are in trouble and that is where the Badgers were. When Harris was here and even Hughes when was healthy. We had guys who penetrated. We just have not been able to recruit that guy who can penetrate.

 

I was not trying to blame Taylor for not posting up. The whole team does not do it, and for the life of me I cant understand why. Leuer just did not post up enough and Nankavil had no moves so maybe that is my answer.

 

I agree with your assessment of the team, but I dont think the swing is to blame. Maybe recruiting, because they opportunities to drive are there, they just are not taken.

Those guys, for the most part, are not going to come to Wisconsin so they can play in the swing offense.

[Glennron]

They switched SO much on the perimeter on defense this game, it was just making me sick.

 

It wasn't even just this game, they do it all the time. I can't think of how many times it's one of those, "Well, point guard on Nankivil, he's going to burn him and we'll have to hope Keaton gets one of his blocks pinned against the rim, otherwise it's an easy layup."

 

As much as I love Bo, his stubbornness can really bug me at times. If you have a 5 on 4, or 2 on 1, or hell Taylor 1 on 1, take it to the damn rim! They decide to fast break about once every two games, it's sick.

[monkeyman343434]

homer]As far as the rumor I've heard about Buzz it relates to that guard that was kicked off the team a few years ago but was then let back on (can't remember his name). The reason he was let back on was because the kid was going to blow the whistle on some unsavory activities the whole team was involved in.

 

Again, just a rumor I heard.

Maurice Acker? After Buzz's first season, and when his buddy he went to HS with (Jerel McNeal) graduated from MU, but Acker still had 1 year of eligibility left from having to sit out a year when he transfered to MU from Ball State. He was never kicked off the team. He had quit. He was supposed to graduate in winter, but ended up needing one or two more classes than he could fit into his schedule. Then Junior Cadougan tore his achillies and the PG situation looked really dicey, so Buzz went and talked him back into playing and Mo went onto having a really good year last year.

 

How about those guys from Madison who were kicked off the team for stealing stuff?

 

 

[monkeyman343434]

Read up on the DJ Newbill situation. Pretty much yanked a scholarship from the kid so that Jamil Wilson could transfer. Newbill had signed a letter of intent to Marquette and when Wilson came available Marquette used some pretty shady tactics to drop him from his scholarship. I have yet to meet a Marquette fan who could justify what happened there. It does not make Buzz a terrible person but it is pretty shady.

Wow, if you think the DJ Newbill situation means Buzz should be labeled as dirty, over 90% of D-I basketball coaches should be labeled as dirty. If you look in the dictionary of "dirty" basketball coaches I would say Calipari, Pearl, Sampson would be at the top of the list. Not to mention the next tier of Calhoun, Michigan, etc (schools and coaches that have actually been disiciplined). It's not like Bo has never forced a player out of Wisconsin....

 

Name one player Bo forced out. I am going to be waiting a long time for this answer. I said it was shady and I stand by that. He recruited a guy and the guy signed a letter of intent and then he booted him. Unethical and shady. No doubt about it. You can make the excuse that everyone does it but that is not the case. I think there are a lot of coaches worse than Buzz but that does not make it okay. I am not the only one who thinks this was a shady move by Buzz because there were a ton of people calling him out after that. If you think it is fine whatever, but dont act like everyone does it when it is just not true. They acted like there was a paperwork problem to take away a kids scholarship so they could give it to someone else. This athlete is bound by his letter of intent yet Buzz just cut him.

 

I love how hard Buzz gets his team to play but this was wrong. I also think 90% is ridiculously high. Oversigning.com does a good job looking at this issue. Here is their, obviously a little biased view, on the situation.

 

Edit - i dont want to turn this into a bash Marquette thread. My initial post was into response to why some thought Buzz was dirty. I am just giving the main reason. You can disagree with me. But hopefully we dont have to rehash this stuff.

 

Ian Markolf. Sorry to make you wait 6 hours for an answer.

[Hofbraunhaus]

Tough loss for the Badgers tonight. Their play in the 1st half was awful but it was at least fun to watch the brief moment at the end of the game where they made it close. It's nights like this when I am glad to be both a huge Badger and Marquette fan (Yes, you can be both). Hopefully Marquette can make the state of Wisconsin proud tomorrow with a win. In the mean time,

(There is some bad language) Pretty funny.

[homer]

I thought the Badgers (in particular Leuer and Nankivil) played really soft tonight. Butler just wanted it more. Too bad as this game was ripe for the taking. The most frustrating thing is that the whole country saw one of UW's bottom three games of the year thus perpetuating the myth that they can't score. Man, those turnovers were brutal. Can't really argue with anyone who says they choked given the fact that they haven't looked that bad all year in terms of taking care of the ball.

 

Not impressed with Butler at all. Florida should roll.

[crewcrazy]

See, I thought the opposite. I thought Butler was impressive, especially defensively. They effectively took Leuer out of the game early, constantly forced Jordan Taylor and others in bad shots, anved played hard from start to finish. Brad Stevens is showing that he can beat you at your own game, and Butler now has three wins over three very physical teams.

 

Wish it would've ended differently, but there's no shame in losing to a team with more talented players and a better coach (not that I think Bo is a bad one or anything).

[jjfanec]

Ian Markolf. Sorry to make you wait 6 hours for an answer.

Really? Markholf wasnt playing and decided to focus on college. He is a very smart kid who knew his future was not in basketball. Guys who get recruited over end up going somewhere else to play. Markholf could have played low end D-1 or D-2 ball but he did not want to. He wanted to focus on school. This is an entirely different situation. If Markholf ends up transferring to play ball somewhere else I would say you could be right. I do find this funny though because this is the only example any Marquette fan ever has brought up and it is so much different than the Newbill or Roseboro situation it is laughable. Heck, it is closer to Christopherson and he even went to ISU to play. I think I am going to have to wait a really long time for you find a comparable example.

[jjfanec]

This team's fatal weakness was having no banger inside. Leuer is a rounded player but not a banger. Nankivil is a softy who's timid with the ball and is strictly a perimeter player. Not what you're looking for from a 6'8" power forward-type body. Worst part is, it will only be worse next season. Who will be the inside guys? Berggren, Ryan Evans (yikes), and...?

Last 5 NCAA tourney losses: Butler, Cornell, Xavier, Davidson, UNLV. And 4 weren't even really close. Now THAT is frustrating.

I could not agree more about not having a banger. If you are going to have a power forward (I know that does fit perfectly in the swing) like Leuer who is more of a perimeter guy. You need a center who likes to bang inside. Keaton was just not that guy. Butch, who I thought was soft, was more of a banger than those two.

 

I am actually more excited to see Berggren down low next year. As low as he works on his defense over the summer. He seems to have some post moves and does not have a probably banging inside. Coaches have spoken very highly of Evan Anderson as well. So he maybe able to give Stiemsma type minutes. Bruiser will be more of an inside guy than Keaton.

 

I am interested to see how Kaminsky and Uthoff - two bigs they recruited develop. They both could redshirt though. Hard for bigs outside of Sullinger to have big impacts as freshman in Div 1 bball

[GoudaBrew]

I blame NBA arenas.

[jhart05]

"Not impressed with Butler at all."

 

Really? What do they have to do, go to another Final Four?

 

They are now 8-1 in the last two tournaments. (Only one other team can say that right now.)

 

Butler is a very good and very well coached team.

 

Madison wasn't hitting shots last night, but credit must be given to Butler having a hand in their face on almost every shot taken. I don't think those Badger kids were ready for just how physical the Dawgs play. Bo knew it was coming, I don't think his players believed him. I'm not saying they don't see it in the Big Ten. I'm saying they didn't expect the same type of play from little 'ol Butler.

[jjfanec]

"Not impressed with Butler at all."

 

Really? What do they have to do, go to another Final Four?

 

They are now 8-1 in the last two tournaments. (Only one other team can say that right now.)

 

Butler is a very good and very well coached team.

 

Madison wasn't hitting shots last night, but credit must be given to Butler having a hand in their face on almost every shot taken. I don't think those Badger kids were ready for just how physical the Dawgs play. Bo knew it was coming, I don't think his players believed him. I'm not saying they don't see it in the Big Ten. I'm saying they didn't expect the same type of play from little 'ol Butler.

I was impressed with Butler, but I do think the main reason the Badgers were missing was on them. I only got to watch the second half but they had a ton of good, open looks but they could not hit anything. Butler plays extremely hard, but a great team would have blown the Badgers out last night. Instead, Butler let it get very close and needed a Mack fade away late to keep it from getting really tight