College Basketball 2010-2011

[razzzorsharp]

UWGB (ladies) played a great half against the 4th seeded MSU team. It sucks that I have to watch this online as my regional coverage in the Milwaukee market has the Baylor game on.

[jjfanec]

I cant believe how easily people would overlook what Pearl did. He got caught cheating and then lied about. To act like it is okay because you assume everyone is cheating makes no sense.

 

A - You have absolutely zero proof every coach cheats. A poster asked if someone would be surprised if Bo Ryan was caught cheating and I would honestly say yes. Not because I am a homer, but because there has not been the slightest hint of cheating on his resume. He is not the only coach like this either. Some coaches run clean programs and to consider them guilty because others cheat makes little sense. It is like assuming everyone used steroids in baseball a few years back. Some did, some did not.

 

B - He cheated, got caught, and then lied about it. Is that really the guy you want as the face of your program. Maybe in a few years sure, but next year? I feel like there is a win at all costs motto for some people and I just dont understand it. I am all for letting him prove he is ready to run a clean program but I would want some time to settle for sure.

[razzzorsharp]

Congrats to the lady Phoenix for their first sweet sixteen appearence. Bring on Baylor.

[jjfanec]

Congrats to the lady Phoenix for their first sweet sixteen appearence. Bring on Baylor.

What a great program that have developed at UW-GB. Seems like they are ranked every year but dont always get the best seeds. Nice to see them in the Sweet 16!

[ELCABALLO45]

Awesome win for the Lady Phoenix tonight. They get Baylor on Sunday.

[adamb100]

Jeter passed on the Bradley job and is staying @ UWM.

[monkeyman343434]

Why wouldn't they consider him? He has won with every team he has coached.

Because he's a cheating piece of scum. I would hope MU holds itself to a higher standard than wins alone (although based on some of the rumors about Buzz I'm not so sure).

What rumors have you heard about Buzz, and where have you heard them?

 

 

[MarquesJohnson2000]

The guys on 1250 were just talking to a sportswriter from Oklahoma and he said that he thinks Buzz is Oklahoma's first choice and will be offered the job. He had no idea if Buzz would accept it or not.

[jjfanec]

Why wouldn't they consider him? He has won with every team he has coached.

Because he's a cheating piece of scum. I would hope MU holds itself to a higher standard than wins alone (although based on some of the rumors about Buzz I'm not so sure).

What rumors have you heard about Buzz, and where have you heard them?

 

Read up on the DJ Newbill situation. Pretty much yanked a scholarship from the kid so that Jamil Wilson could transfer. Newbill had signed a letter of intent to Marquette and when Wilson came available Marquette used some pretty shady tactics to drop him from his scholarship. I have yet to meet a Marquette fan who could justify what happened there. It does not make Buzz a terrible person but it is pretty shady.

[endaround]

That is very common. Basically schools can drop most scholarships at will. Whenever a new coach comes in to a rebuilding program it tends to happen to almost all upperclassmen. It just another way in which college sports sucks.

[jjfanec]

That is very common. Basically schools can drop most scholarships at will. Whenever a new coach comes in to a rebuilding program it tends to happen to almost all upperclassmen. It just another way in which college sports sucks.

It may be somewhat common but that does not make it right. I can see why some may think it is okay for a new coach to do something like this, but Buzz was not a new coach when this happened. He recruited Newbill and then just discarded him. It is really unethical in my mind.

[endaround]

I'm not saying its right, I'm saying no one will look twice at it. Its anotehr thign peopel don't seem to understand. While athletes are basically committed to a school and ahev to give up a year to go somewhere else that same school can drop them for any number of reasons.

[jjfanec]

I'm not saying its right, I'm saying no one will look twice at it. Its anotehr thign peopel don't seem to understand. While athletes are basically committed to a school and ahev to give up a year to go somewhere else that same school can drop them for any number of reasons.

I think it is terrible system as well. Why a student-athlete is pretty locked into a school no matter what happens, coaches seem able to drop them like a bad habit. I do think people are starting to care about this stuff more. There has been a lot more negative press about the over-signing the SEC does. If you do a quick google search of Marquette and Newbill together and you find some negative press to the situation. Now I dont think this will sway most schools from hiring a coach, but I do think people are starting to wise up to this practice.

 

My post was in response to someone who asked why a poster thought Buzz was dirty. For numerous people actions like this scream unethical or dirty and I agree.

[MJLiverock]

Pearl is kind of like Kelvin Sampson, a guy who has these "minor" recruiting violations or scandals where ever he goes. It just seems to follow him and I would guess for good reason, he is either completly oblivious to the rules or he just doesn't care. Either way I wouldn't want him for a coach, he cheats but not so much that he really builds big time winners, bad risk reward. Other schools/coaches in the past like UNLV, the Fab Five of Michigan, and the rumors/history of Callipari at least netted big time rankings and tournament runs.

 

Pearl has had issues going all the way back to his assistant coaching days at Iowa.

 

http://underscorebleach.n...-iowa-recruiting-scandal

 

Nobody in that story looks good but Pearl is right in the center of it. He also had some issues at UW-M as well if I remember right. Nothing major but he is always surrounded by some sort of cloud.

[Glennron]

If Wisconsin wins tonight: "But they haven't beat a team that's seeded higher than them! Just like the last time they made the Elite 8!"

 

If Wisconsin loses tonight: "They lose to a mid-major team AGAIN!"

[jjfanec]

If Wisconsin wins tonight: "But they haven't beat a team that's seeded higher than them! Just like the last time they made the Elite 8!"

 

If Wisconsin loses tonight: "They lose to a mid-major team AGAIN!"

That is the main reason I wanted Pitt to beat Butler.

 

I am pretty pumped for this game tonight. Should be a hard fought game. All 6 analysts I have seen on ESPN today have the Badgers losing. I am kind of surprised by that. However they cant seem to get over the Penn State game, even though at 71 points per game so far in the tourney they look good on offense

[owbc]

I think anyone using those arguments isn't even worth talking to. Everyone who watched any basketball this year knows that Belmont, K-State, and Butler are all excellent basketball teams.

 

I'm also pumped for the game tonight--assuming that March Madness On Demand actually works this time, unlike the 3rd round game.

[GAME05]

wholeheartedly agree, Obsessed. i'd rather be playing a top seed than a lower seed that is playing well. a bit hypocritical that the pundits keep talking about the parity in the Tournament the past few years, yet will as quickly blast Wisconsin if we lose to a mid-major tonight. plus that would be a big insult to the quality of the mid-major teams. it's not surprising at all that a lot of low seeds have gotten this far instead of the scenario of about five years ago when it was just one low seed like Kent State making it through.

 

i work until 9:15 tonight, but fortunately there's a sports bar a block away that i won't have to miss much of the game at all tonight.

[homer]

Anyone watch First Take on ESPN? They were ragging on UW's offense saying "They might need OT to get to 60!". I suppose they don't realize that UW is averaging 71 a game in the tourney and only went below 60 points 5 times all season.

[bjkrautk]

The Badger game cannot come soon enough!

 

 

Really wish I could sit in on the phone calls from UW to ex-Assistant Rob Jeter (since UW-M beat Butler this year). I'd be surprised if there is any wrinkle Butler can throw out that UW isn't going to be prepared for.

 

 

It really is going to come down to who hits their shots, particularly from the perimeter....and limiting the opposition to one shot / possession.

[Glennron]

Nothing like making predictions based on incorrect stereotypes. Or cause you only remember the Penn State game in the B10 tourney. I've heard a number of analysts talk about Wisconsin's "great" defense this season. Aside from the year they got smoked by Arizona in the first round, this is their worst defense under Bo. It's the same thing with Butler. It's being billed like it's two tough-nosed defensive teams and the first team to 50 will win.

[monkeyman343434]

Because he's a cheating piece of scum. I would hope MU holds itself to a higher standard than wins alone (although based on some of the rumors about Buzz I'm not so sure).

What rumors have you heard about Buzz, and where have you heard them?

 

Read up on the DJ Newbill situation. Pretty much yanked a scholarship from the kid so that Jamil Wilson could transfer. Newbill had signed a letter of intent to Marquette and when Wilson came available Marquette used some pretty shady tactics to drop him from his scholarship. I have yet to meet a Marquette fan who could justify what happened there. It does not make Buzz a terrible person but it is pretty shady.

Wow, if you think the DJ Newbill situation means Buzz should be labeled as dirty, over 90% of D-I basketball coaches should be labeled as dirty. If you look in the dictionary of "dirty" basketball coaches I would say Calipari, Pearl, Sampson would be at the top of the list. Not to mention the next tier of Calhoun, Michigan, etc (schools and coaches that have actually been disiciplined). It's not like Bo has never forced a player out of Wisconsin....

 

 

[jjfanec]

What rumors have you heard about Buzz, and where have you heard them?

 

Read up on the DJ Newbill situation. Pretty much yanked a scholarship from the kid so that Jamil Wilson could transfer. Newbill had signed a letter of intent to Marquette and when Wilson came available Marquette used some pretty shady tactics to drop him from his scholarship. I have yet to meet a Marquette fan who could justify what happened there. It does not make Buzz a terrible person but it is pretty shady.

Wow, if you think the DJ Newbill situation means Buzz should be labeled as dirty, over 90% of D-I basketball coaches should be labeled as dirty. If you look in the dictionary of "dirty" basketball coaches I would say Calipari, Pearl, Sampson would be at the top of the list. Not to mention the next tier of Calhoun, Michigan, etc (schools and coaches that have actually been disiciplined). It's not like Bo has never forced a player out of Wisconsin....

 

Name one player Bo forced out. I am going to be waiting a long time for this answer. I said it was shady and I stand by that. He recruited a guy and the guy signed a letter of intent and then he booted him. Unethical and shady. No doubt about it. You can make the excuse that everyone does it but that is not the case. I think there are a lot of coaches worse than Buzz but that does not make it okay. I am not the only one who thinks this was a shady move by Buzz because there were a ton of people calling him out after that. If you think it is fine whatever, but dont act like everyone does it when it is just not true. They acted like there was a paperwork problem to take away a kids scholarship so they could give it to someone else. This athlete is bound by his letter of intent yet Buzz just cut him.

 

I love how hard Buzz gets his team to play but this was wrong. I also think 90% is ridiculously high. Oversigning.com does a good job looking at this issue. Here is their, obviously a little biased view, on the situation.

 

Edit - i dont want to turn this into a bash Marquette thread. My initial post was into response to why some thought Buzz was dirty. I am just giving the main reason. You can disagree with me. But hopefully we dont have to rehash this stuff.

[jjfanec]

The Badger game cannot come soon enough!

 

 

Really wish I could sit in on the phone calls from UW to ex-Assistant Rob Jeter (since UW-M beat Butler this year). I'd be surprised if there is any wrinkle Butler can throw out that UW isn't going to be prepared for.

 

 

It really is going to come down to who hits their shots, particularly from the perimeter....and limiting the opposition to one shot / possession.

BO already stated he would not talk to Jeter about the game. It is frowned upon to get scouting reports from other coaches. He talked to Jeter this week but alluded to the discussion being about something else - very likely the Bradley offer

[homer]

As far as the rumor I've heard about Buzz it relates to that guard that was kicked off the team a few years ago but was then let back on (can't remember his name). The reason he was let back on was because the kid was going to blow the whistle on some unsavory activities the whole team was involved in.

 

Again, just a rumor I heard.