Edwin Jackson

[Milltownhooker]

Can he be stolen from th D- Bscks just like Haren was?  Send them Manny Parra, gomez, & Villenova

[And That]

Send them Villenova

The university or the pitcher?

[TCSM]

Not trying to be a jerk, but I think everyone can agree sometimes taking a second or two to spell check can go along way.

 

The Diamondbacks are in more of a rebuilding mode. Adding Villy would essentially solve nothing, Gomez has not shown any life since being traded, and Parra for Edwin is a fairly even swap (as in worthless).

[Invader3K]

Apparently the White Sox, "are on the verge of acquiring" Jackson, according to Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi. Would send Daniel Hudson and another prospect to the D-Backs.

[paulmolitor4]

Apparently the White Sox, "are on the verge of acquiring" Jackson, according to Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi. Would send Daniel Hudson and another prospect to the D-Backs.

I think that would be a pretty dumb move on the White Sox's part. Wouldn't you rather take your chances with the younger, cheaper Hudson? After all, Hudson could conceivably out-pitch Jackson the rest of the way this year.

[Invader3K]

Yeah, I don't quite get it either. Jackson hasn't even been that great this season. ERA over 5.00 and a WHIP just under 1.50. Not that exciting. Then again, Hudson's numbers don't look very good either (granted, he's only made 3 MLB starts in 2010). People talk up some of these pitchers on the trade market like they are much better than they really are.

[crewcrazy]

Regarding Jackson apparently being close to going to the White Sox, it's being heavily speculated that Chicago wouldn't be keeping him. The Nationals are apparently enamored with him, and would prefer him over Daniel Hudson in a possible Adam Dunn trade. It's one of the reasons why the Nats, ChiSox, and Diamondbacks were rumored to be working on a 3-team deal with Jackson and Dunn involved, but if there's any truth to this Kenny Williams may just prefer to cut out the middle man.

[JohnBriggs12]

Apparently the White Sox, "are on the verge of acquiring" Jackson, according to Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi. Would send Daniel Hudson and another prospect to the D-Backs.

I think that would be a pretty dumb move on the White Sox's part. Wouldn't you rather take your chances with the younger, cheaper Hudson? After all, Hudson could conceivably out-pitch Jackson the rest of the way this year.

That would be a real dumb move. Not only is Hudson younger and cheaper and probably just as good at this point but he's under control through what 2016? Jackson's been getting lit up this month and that's facing NL teams.

 

Jackson wouldn't be a terrible acquisition for a team like the Brewers that has young pitching 1-2 years away, and could use an interim stopgap or two, but even then there's some risk paying him $8.35 million for 2011, especially with his form lately.

[RockCoCougars]

I have no interest whatsoever in Jackson. The D-Backs ship sailed with Haren.

[JohnBriggs12]

Joe Cowley now tweeting Ken Williams is working on "something big", and if this goes through, Jackson deal is off.

 

Hmmmmm!

[Invader3K]

Heyman just tweeted that the Jackson deal is done, and he's going to the ChiSox for Hudson, and David Holmberg. Story up soon on SI.com.

[RockCoCougars]

Heyman just tweeted that the Jackson deal is done, and he's going to the ChiSox for Hudson, and David Holmberg. Story up soon on SI.com.

Good. Dodged both of those bullets.

[HiAndTight]

Yeah, I don't quite get it either. Jackson hasn't even been that great this season. ERA over 5.00 and a WHIP just under 1.50. Not that exciting. Then again, Hudson's numbers don't look very good either (granted, he's only made 3 MLB starts in 2010). People talk up some of these pitchers on the trade market like they are much better than they really are.

I understand it. I'm equally enamored with power armed pitchers who are still young. Kenny Williams has done a great job grabbing pitchers who have previously been top pitching prospects, who have good arms, and who haven't really had a lot of success yet(not sure if you'd count last year as "a lot" for Jackson). It seems to work once they get to Chicago.

 

Hudson doesn't have nearly the arm that Jackson does either. I haven't seen how Jackson's doing for the White Sox, and frankly it doesn't care if he's doing great of not, but I get the motivation behind this trade and frankly agree with it.

[Never Outhustled]

Jackson has been outstanding in 2 starts with the Sox, giving up just 2 ERs in 13 innings with 2 walks and 13 K.

[HiAndTight]

Jackson has been outstanding in 2 starts with the Sox, giving up just 2 ERs in 13 innings with 2 walks and 13 K.

Yeah, I actually went and looked after that.

 

But my point is that's is completely irrelevant as it's simply two starts. I don't think I'm right because of them, and I don't think those on this board who thought it a bad move would think they're wrong as a result.

 

I tell ya what, if I were the GM, first of all, I'd be terrible as would anyone on here despite many having very good suggestions and knowing the sport better than 99.99 pct of the population as there's a whole lot behind the scenes I don't think we appreciate, all the little nuances of being a GM.

 

Most of us would make some fantastic moves, ie, I wanted us to go after Greinke when he was still in the Royals pen and offer up what most would have considered too much at the time, and this is coming from a guy who absolutely hates trading any prospects...in fact, I hated the Felipe Lopez for Cole Gillespie+Roque Mercedes trade despite the fact that most would agree that was a good deal. And most of us would make more TERRIBLE moves, ie, the year that Percival, Wood and Lidge were all available, the first two as FA's, the later in a trade for a relatively low price. In fact, I was driving the bus for Percival after his year with the Cards suggesting we give him 2 yr 9 million, 2/10 for Wood and just trade for Lidge. All would have looked great and we'd have had the best BP in baseball the 1st year. And then they'd have looked downright awful and we'd have fallen apart shortly thereafter.

 

So I don't pretend to be some GM savant, like most, I just like having fun tossing idea's around on here. But the one thing I wish to hell Melvin would do was try and pry away some of these types of pitchers, the guys with the filthy arms, guys who can throw in the mid to upper 90's, but haven't had any success and just kinda cross your fingers and hope that light goes on.

Right now, one of the top that fits that criteria would be Andrew Miller, yes, he's back down to AA with a ugly line, but he's also got a fantastic arm.

 

Anyway, Jackson fits that category, though I'd have preferred to trade for him before Detroit did, but I still would have gladly grabbed him from the D-backs this year.

[nate82]

Right now, one of the top that fits that criteria would be Andrew Miller, yes, he's back down to AA with a ugly line, but he's also got a fantastic arm.

Andrew Miller is one of the players I would like to get in a trade. I think someone like Dykstra would be able to fetch Miller maybe even someone even less than Dykstra could get Miller from the Marlins. Miller still has a decent K/9 though at 7.77 cumulatively in the minors this year. I still believe Miller will be a good #3 or #4 type of a pitcher he still does have the stuff to be a #2 or a #1 type of a pitcher though.

[HiAndTight]

Andrew Miller is one of the players I would like to get in a trade. I think someone like Dykstra would be able to fetch Miller maybe even someone even less than Dykstra could get Miller from the Marlins. Miller still has a decent K/9 though at 7.77 cumulatively in the minors this year. I still believe Miller will be a good #3 or #4 type of a pitcher he still does have the stuff to be a #2 or a #1 type of a pitcher though.

Hey, again, Great Minds think alike....

 

I'd still look seriously at the Marlins next year as trading partners. Rickey Nolasco and Andrew Miller. Not sure what it'd take to get the deal done.

 

Perhaps we trade Prince for a young pitcher and a position player, use the position player and a prospect of our own to try and complete the deal? Here's where Salome and his issues hurt as I think he could have been a very nice trade chip if he had even a decent year in AAA. Something like .285/.345/.450 would have made him desirable to many teams out there.

 

Perhaps Casey McGehee+ a young arm, Kyle Heckathorn perhaps? Or would the Marlins have any interest in a John Axford?

 

McGehee+Axford+Gomez for Nolasco and Miller? I don't know, just spitballin here. Miller's the type of kid who could go from a 5.60 ERA in AA to a 3.50 ERA in the big leagues on a years time. We just need Eddison to turn that damn light bulb on! Same with Parra.

 

I'd gladly go into next year with a Gallardo/Prince Trade/Nolasco/Wolf/Parra/Miller type rotation. And god knows we've got a plethora of BP arms available. Now we make set the record for walks by lefties in a single season, but who knows, they could also be pretty good.

[BADGERJOBOB]

I found some interesting Jackson tidbits today.

 

From CBS sportsline: His June no-hitter seemingly forgotten, the common perception is that Jackson is having a much worse season than he did last year. With his ERA having grown by more than a run, it's easy to see where that perception comes from, but substantial increases in his strikeout and ground ball rates are among some of the positive developments Jackson has seen in 2010. With more ground balls come a few more base hits, at least on balls in play, but his .324 BABIP is probably about 15 to 20 points too high. Expect a correction for Jackson over the weeks to come. http://milfbl.baseball.cbssports.com/news/13775455/by-the-numbers-oswalt-dicek-treading-lightly

 

Another CBS sportsline analysis:

 

Jackson's return to Fantasy prominence is perhaps even more surprising than Daniel Hudson's arrival. In his last 29 starts leading up to the trade -- eight of them late last year -- he compiled a 5.41 ERA and a 1.50 WHIP.The longer it went on, the more his performance over his first 25 starts last year, when he posted a 2.86 ERA and a 1.19 WHIP, looked like a fluke. But pitching coach Don Cooper knew better. Doing his best rendition of Rick Peterson on Victor Zambrano, he saw a mechanical problem he thought he could fix. And unlike Peterson, he delivered. "He got in bad habits," Cooper said of Jackson. "He was collapsing more than he should. When you collapse, you get under pitches, around pitches. (Stuff) can get flat. Some parts of the plate can be much harder to attain." So can some numbers, no matter how good the stuff is. But when he's hitting his spots and staying on top of his pitches, Jackson can be as good as anybody, as he has shown with his 1.35 ERA, 1.25 WHIP and 24 strikeouts over 20 innings in three starts with the White Sox. What shouldn't go unmentioned here is the fact Jackson's pure stuff rates among the best in baseball. Always has. Only now, for perhaps the first time his career, he has the coaching to help him make the most of it. http://milfbl.baseball.cbssports.com/news/13771940