Hart Trade Thread: Latest-- Does Hart's injury mean no deal?

[jjkoestler]

Interesting the Brewers like Moore. I know nothing about him, but he is in high A ball and seems to walk a lot hitters. He probably wouldn't help the major league club for 2 years.

Here's some info about Moore. I like what I've read so far.

 

http://www.raysprospects....tchers-7-matt-moore.html

 

 

 

Rays Top 10 Prospects per Baseball America

1.	Desmond Jennings, of
2.	Jeremy Hellickson, rhp
3.	Wade Davis, rhp
4.	Matt Moore, lhp
5.	Reid Brignac, ss
6.	Tim Beckham, ss
7.	Alexander Colome, rhp
8.	Jake McGee, lhp
9.	Alex Torres, lhp
10.	Nick Barnese, rhp

Best Tools per Baseball America

Best Strike-Zone Discipline	Desmond Jennings
Fastest Baserunner	Fernando Perez
Best Athlete	Desmond Jennings
Best Fastball	Jeremy Hellickson
Best Curveball	Matt Moore
Best Slider	Alex Torres
Best Changeup	Jeremy Hellickson
Best Control	Jeremy Hellickson
Best Defensive Catcher	Nevin Ashley
Best Defensive Infielder	Reid Brignac
Best Infield Arm	Tim Beckham
Best Defensive Outfielder	Desmond Jennings
Best Outfield Arm	Todd Glaesmann

[RockCoCougars]

By the way, Katin/Edmonds would be brutal. Katin is almost as old as Hart, and even though he's been in Nashville for like 5 years, he frankly hasn't shown enough to even warrant being called a 'AAAA player'. He's been striking out almost once every 3 plate appearances this season.

[endaround]

And that matters why exactly? If the Brewers move Hart that's it for the season.

[Bnowell4evr]

I have no idea why we would have any interest in Matt Sweeney. Matt Moore is a good prospect who is striking out batters at an outrageous rate but hes still only in A+ ball.

That would be a very disappointing return when Wade Davis is supposedly on the table.

[dadofandrew]

Two outstanding tools guys for 1.33 seasons of Corey seems very fair, however, Doug has always gone for near ready prospects, except maybe in the deal that brought the Crew CV from SF. It seems apparent neither of those guys would help at all in '11. I don't think it's a bad move at all, but it may well mean MA's plans to contend annually are being brushed aside to add more talent.

[wibadgers23]

Yeah, surprising that the Brewers like Moore more than Davis. As mentioned, Moore has some absurd strikeout totals, but walks a lot of hitters.

[crewcrazy]

Sweeney's a third baseman in name only. It's only a matter of time before the Rays (or someone else) move him to 1B. John Sickels at least seems to be high on his bat.

[Never Outhustled]

I don't believe one bit that the Brewers like Moore better than Davis. The Brewers wanted to draft Davis, and then he went on to have a very successful minor league career. He's having a fairly solid rookie year, despite a K rate the doesn't jive with his minor league numbers. Plus, there has to be concerns with how well Moore's curve will translate against advanced hitters. I question the source on this.

[PrinceEatMeat]

According to Henry Schulman's twitter, the Brewers are asking for Sanchez or Bumgarner for Hart and Sabean isn't willing to trade either at this point.

 

http://twitter.com/hankschulman/status/18491806316

[wibadgers23]

Time to give up on trying to deal with the Giants. They're not willing to give up any of their pitchers and that's what the Brewers desperately need. Just not a good match.

[brains and braun]

I hope the Giants say no to Sanchez. I don't want him. Also, I think it's funny to have these two lumped together. Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought Bumgarner would have vastly more appeal.

[wibadgers23]

Also, I think it's funny to have these two lumped together. Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought Bumgarner would have vastly more appeal.

Yeah, I thought that was funny too. It's like the Giants asking for Parra or Gallardo.

 

 

[Invader3K]

Time to give up on trying to deal with the Giants. They're not willing to give up any of their pitchers and that's what the Brewers desperately need. Just not a good match.

Yeah, that is what it sounds like.

 

Let them fade down the stretch if they aren't willing to make a meaningful deal for one of our bats.

[BrewCrewForever]

I hope they get a big league ready guy for Hart. I don't want to trade him for a guy that is a year or two away, that is why if we trade him to the Rays I really hope it is Davis or Garza.

[Invader3K]

Sanchez is only under team control for a couple more years. I wouldn't be excited to get him, unless that is the best return out there. It sounds like the Giants aren't even willing to part with him, though. What did they expect to give up for Hart? Some marginal position players or something?

[crewcrazy]

Dear Brian Sabean,

 

Have fun with Jose Bautista.

 

Signed,

Doug Melvin.

 

With Tampa Bay and Atlanta possibly in the picture now, I don't really have any interest in what the Giants have to offer. It doesn't make sense for them to deal either pitcher if they're getting Corey Hart to help them make a push in the NL West, because they don't have any good replacements for them at the moment. The Rays (and to a lesser extent the Braves) have a surplus they can deal from, and they wouldn't miss a beat.

 

I'm not sure why the Brewers would be interested in Moore over Davis, either. I guess you could say service time, but Davis is still considered a rookie this season despite coming up for a bit last year -- that's still 5.5 years of control. I would hope they're not scared off by his early big league results -- yeah, he's had a rough first 100 innings or so in the big leagues, but Clay Buchholz and Phil Hughes both struggled mightily in their first 100 or so innings in the AL East, too, and look at where they are now.

[GAME05]

i'd read a small bit about why the Brewers might possibly prefer Moore over Davis. one was service time, that Moore projects a little better, and because Moore would also end up being called up with the rest of Milwaukee's great crop of pitching prospects in two/three years. but i like Davis better even if he doesn't project as high because he'd be so much more polished in two years to command a higher spot in the rotation when the younger kids come up.

[Roscoe Chill]

Yeah, wouldn't you want to stagger your players a little bit? Why have all your eggs in one basket with a bunch of young players at the exact same time. So even with a guy like Moore, they're not really throwing in the towel for the rest of 2010 and 2011. They're essentially going to go through growing pains in 2012 and maybe 2013 as well if they're all rookies. And then a few years down the road, they're all free agents at the same time. Put me down for Wade Davis.

[RockCoCougars]

The more that I think about this deal, the madder I get. You trade an all-star for two low minors guys- nothing like building for 2013. Going further, have the Brewers ever had luck developing pitchers, even after they dominate the rookie or Single A level? I can think of maybe 10 decent pitchers that have come through the system in the past 30 years, probably about a 10% success rate. The rest of the highly touted prospects have been injured/ruined by the Brewers, disappearing never to be heard from again.

 

I'd do Hart for Matt Garza, nothing more, nothing less. If the Rays don't like it, I'll take Hellickson then since they have a surplus of pitching. I'd also do Hart/Gomez for Upton/Davis/Moore. Otherwise, they can pound sand.

[PrinceEatMeat]

Yeah, I'm not on board with dealing Hart unless we get at least one major league ready pitcher for him. Otherwise I don't really like the idea. Major league ready pitching is what we need the most right now. Hopefully we can bring back some arms for Fielder in the off-season as well.

[Hate those Rodents]

I'd also do Hart/Gomez for Upton/Davis/Moore. Otherwise, they can pound sand.

If Hart kind of is equal to Davis to most, I am not sure Gomez is equal to Upton AND Moore.

 

 

[PrinceEatMeat]

I'd also do Hart/Gomez for Upton/Davis/Moore. Otherwise, they can pound sand.

If Hart kind of is equal to Davis to most, I am not sure Gomez is equal to Upton AND Moore.

 

You're right Gomez is only worth Upton. http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/wink.gif

[paulmolitor4]

I'd also do Hart/Gomez for Upton/Davis/Moore. Otherwise, they can pound sand.

If Hart kind of is equal to Davis to most, I am not sure Gomez is equal to Upton AND Moore.

 

I think the Rays entire front office would be fired immediately after making that deal.

[wibadgers23]

RockCoCougars[/b]]I'd do Hart for Matt Garza, nothing more, nothing less. If the Rays don't like it, I'll take Hellickson then since they have a surplus of pitching. I'd also do Hart/Gomez for Upton/Davis/Moore. Otherwise, they can pound sand.

Wow, you don't want much, do you? I think Hart for Davis straight up would be a pretty good trade. Davis is major league ready and young. He's Tampa's 3rd best prospect behind Jennings and Hellickson.

[dadofandrew]

The contrarian in me likes Moore just because so many folks don't. He's pretty much recognized as a better prospect than Davis, but because he's a couple years away, no one wants him.

 

I recall a year or two ago, some NFL team in need of a QB was rumored to be thinking of trading a solid player (OL, if memory serves). Supposedly, they had 2 deals on the table:

 

1. A 1st round pick, but not the upcoming draft, the next year.

 

2. A journeyman QB, solid backup, some experience starting, and a 3rd/4th round pick in the draft soon to arrive.

 

Now, to me, this was an easy call...a 1st round pick had far more worth, in my opinion. But, the results of a poll was 4-1...get the QB and later round pick. The comments read like a "win today, forget about tomorrow" manifesto. I barely follow the NFL, but I don't think a trade was ever made, I believe they ended up signing him to an extension or branding him a "franchise" player, or whatever. I do recall though thinking that not only were the fans far too emotional, that 80% of them would make horrible GM's.

 

Also, I can't help but think Doug has probably passed up deals similar to this in the past, as he has been looking for "ready or almost ready" to contribute players since...2007?

 

Briggs did a nice job a while back of summing up a scenario that the Brewers could compete next year, and they could. However, I can certainly see a .500 team a lot easier than I can see a 90 win team, so looking at maximizing talent is not a bad option, by any means.