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Mr. Cain goes to Milwaukee (well, technically, to Atlanta); Latest -- Lorenzo sent back to Nashville

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Aware of the situation, manager Ken Macha is trying to pick his spots to start Edmonds.

Oh, is that why Edmonds has only played in 21 of the last 27 games. Macha's starting him against every RH pitcher, and using him as his top LH pinch hitter off the bench when he's not starting. How can he claim that he's "trying to pick his spots?" His spots are whenever a righty's starting.

He has home run power, so I don't like him bunting too much.

That home run power is probably his biggest problem. If he'd stop swinging out of his shoes trying to kill the ball, he might actually be able to make solid contact and be a decent player. His best comp player is Willie Mays Hayes.


The Brewers' chances to trade vets has been greatly diminished by injuries & underperformance this season. Zaun, Davis, Hawkins, Riske, Hoffman, Coffey, etc are all guys that could've been trade chips, but now no one would want most of them. I had hoped that Edmonds would be a sought-after commodity, but now I don't see teams jumping at acquiring him if he's got a fairly serious injury and could go on the DL at any time. Really, other than Corey Hart and the young bullpen guys, very little has gone right for the Brewers this season.

"The most successful (people) know that performance over the long haul is what counts. If you can seize the day, great. But never forget that there are days yet to come."

 

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I'm thrilled they are sending Cain back to Nashville. Cain looks like he has great potential, I don't want the Brewers burning up his playing time in this (very) lost season. We aren't going to the playoffs this season.

 

The Brewers could have had an extra year or two of Rickie Weeks if they had let him develop further in the minors before bringing him up (granted he was hitting incredibly in AAA ball but he needed alot of work on his fielding), same with Hardy (whose bat clearly wasn't ready when he was first brought up)

 

We have limited windows with most of these players. Keep 'em in the minors until they are absolutely ready and they are going to start. Same thing with Lawrie. No way do I want to see him burning up service time too early

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I'm not surprised Cain got sent back down, as they'd owe Gomez his million dollars whether he's playing in Milwaukee or Nashville, and wins this year just aren't that important. I just think they absolutely need to play Cain everyday somewhere, and would really like to see Gomez getting much more playing time in Milwaukee. I know he's been terrible, but Edmonds has no future with the Brewers and apparently is playing with an injury where he should be getting a lot of rest.

 

The Brewers have control of Gomez for a few more years. Whether he is going to start, play a backup role or be traded, he needs playing time. The Brewers should tell Gomez that he's the starter for the rest of the year with the caveat that he needs to focus on increasing his OBP/plate discipline. Tell him that if this doesn't improve that he will either be shipped to the minors next season or will be buried on the bench as a pinch runner. Maybe the threat of seriously hampering his future earnings potential will get him to straighten up and do what is being asked of him.

 

Barring injury, Cain will be starting for the Brewers next year. What we'll have in Gomez will only be known if he is allowed to play more than once a week.

"The most successful (people) know that performance over the long haul is what counts. If you can seize the day, great. But never forget that there are days yet to come."

 

~Bill Walsh

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Maybe we will see him in September and he will start most of those games. At least that is my hope.
Nope, it'll be Jim Edmonds getting most of the starts because we have to see what the youngster can do.
That's provided Diego's Achilles tendon doesn't get so bad it's impossible for him to play. For injury reasons, I would not be surprised to see Lorenzo back fairly soon.
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For injury reasons, I would not be surprised to see Lorenzo back fairly soon.

 

As much as Brian & Bill said Macha loves Cain, during the time Cain was up, Macha was giving Gomez the starts against LH pitchers. If Edmonds gets hurt, I really hope Cain doesn't get the call, as I would really be upset to see Cain come up to sit the bench behind Gomez.

"The most successful (people) know that performance over the long haul is what counts. If you can seize the day, great. But never forget that there are days yet to come."

 

~Bill Walsh

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Maybe we will see him in September and he will start most of those games. At least that is my hope.
Nope, it'll be Jim Edmonds getting most of the starts because we have to see what the youngster can do.

 

No, it will be "we have to play the veterans to preserve the integrity of the pennant chase". Failing to take into account that it's because of poor play by many veterans that the Brewers aren't in the pennant chase in the first place.

 

Robert

 

 

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One of Brian & Bill said that the Pirates pitcher is tough on righties, so Macha gave Corey & Casey the night off in favor of Inglett & Counsell.

"The most successful (people) know that performance over the long haul is what counts. If you can seize the day, great. But never forget that there are days yet to come."

 

~Bill Walsh

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Found this nugget today.

 

"The honest answer is this: Lorenzo Cain missed a lot of the year last

year, has [41] at-bats in Triple-A. He hasn't even proven himself in

Triple-A yet. To expose him to Major League pitching every day at this

particular point in his career would probably do a disservice to him and

our organization."

Funny, I would say the same thing about Carlos Gomez.

Fan is short for fanatic.

I blame Wang.

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Found this nugget today.

 

"The honest answer is this: Lorenzo Cain missed a lot of the year last year, has [41] at-bats in Triple-A. He hasn't even proven himself in Triple-A yet. To expose him to Major League pitching every day at this particular point in his career would probably do a disservice to him and our organization."
Funny, I would say the same thing about Carlos Gomez.

This is an absolutely ridiculous comment by Macha in my opinion, partially because of the reason you just stated. Why don't we actually see if he can hit major league pitching before making that inference? He sure looked like he could in those 5 at-bats at least.

 

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Found this nugget today.

 

"The honest answer is this: Lorenzo Cain missed a lot of the year last

year, has [41] at-bats in Triple-A. He hasn't even proven himself in

Triple-A yet. To expose him to Major League pitching every day at this

particular point in his career would probably do a disservice to him and

our organization."

Funny, I would say the same thing about Carlos Gomez.
I was starting to think that Macha wasn't a complete dolt with his

handling of the HBP situation over the weekend, but then he pulls out a quote like

this.

 

Carlos Gomez played only 36 games at AAA (just 20 more than Cain) and hasn't had an ops over .800 any year. Maybe he's the one that needs to prove himself, Ken.

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Macha is a "prove yourself" kind of guy. PAs in the majors are more important than talent. Unless there is no other option, any young player will have to "prove himself" by sitting on the bench. How this proves anything, I don't know. Axford and Braddock had lucky timing in that there were a lot of innings for the pen, several injuries to key personnel and Hoffman's implosion.

 

If a player "proves himself" in a handful of opportunities, then Macha will like him and play him continually. Unfortunately, those opportunities will only arise with injury, terrible performance by the more experienced player, or Melvin giving no other options. Honestly, I'm actually surprised with Cain's 3-for-4 showing that he wasn't given the starting job.

 

Macha seems to be an "old school" guy who was introduced to "new school" techniques while in Oakland. He tries to incorporate them, but isn't smart enough to grasp them. My best example is his thoughts on stealing... he understands that you need to be over 70% successful or it hurts the team. However, he used a sample of 8 attempts last season, and then stopped everyone on the team from stealing when as a team we were 4-for-8.

"The most successful (people) know that performance over the long haul is what counts. If you can seize the day, great. But never forget that there are days yet to come."

 

~Bill Walsh

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